Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

cul beag wrote: »

Definitely there’s unrest amongst the senior panelists and a lot have stated they will not play under the current regime. But don’t want Mcgrath back either.

His position is untenable. I know its an amateur game and my heart goes it to Fanning, it was an absolute nightmare. But Waterford GAA is bigger than one man and unfortunately he should step asside as there is simply no coming back from those results.

Would it be tolerated in any other top county? No it wouldn't so why should we be any different?

_blaaz wrote: »

Theres a large amount of players should go too tbh...watched that limerick match the other night again to try get more objective view and its worse on second viewing



Mcgrath is poor and should 100% go,but its absolutely shameful.the way players carried on that day....and alot of them.dont deserve another chance on county team and as many more incounty careers on the line

I haven't been able to bring myself to re-watch the Limerick game. Unbelievably bad. I don't see how this squad and manager can work together next season, it was such a sh#tshow this year that it's really irrecoverable for Fanning imo. Players effectively gave up the year as early as the 1st goal in Limerick game....awful to see.

The new manager should be allowed stay on, as long as we here on boards allow.

Obi1mikal wrote: »

All the people that are calling for fannings head should put their name in the hat for the job, they seem to know better then him.

Like always in waterford things went very badly, it has to be the managers fault, no, way are any of the players the problem, sure they were sick of winning all irelands. There is more of a tradition of players revolting to get managers out then actually winning all irelands. Top county dont make me laugh, top counties win more then waterford have won in the entire history of the gaa..

Time for people to wake up and realise that waterford are where they are because that is the level that is out there and stop thinking that we have some divine right to win all irelands..

Who said we have a divine right? I don't think anyone (or not many) would be calling for Fanning to step asside if we were beaten, even well beaten.

But we weren't, we were absolutely annihilated in every sense of the word. Even the clare defeat was completely flattering to us.

I'd throw my hat in the ring but I'd make Fanning look like Brian Cody.

Also, yes some players are to blame and you know what? That'll be up to the next manager to sort out!

mountgomery burns wrote: »

When you say something as idiotic as this it discredits everything that comes after. I'm guessing he's your mate the way you've been going on, but try and find an actual reason to defend him rather than peddling the above BS.

I don't have mates that is why I am on boards..

The words Devil and Deep Blue Sea come to mind - if Fanning walks away now he will be remembered as a total catastrophe, with no chance of redemption , if he stays on he has a massive job to do trying to reshape a team and rebuild shattered confidence and moral.

The effects of a really good and really strong manager cannot be overstated. You look at what Cody has achieved yet again this year - at the beginning of the year they were viewed as a side with one exceptional hurler, a number of good to very good hurlers, a number of young promising hurlers and quite a few average hurlers. They were written off by many as legitimate contenders especially after the league. They were out-muscled by Dublin for much of their opening championship Game, Galway beat them on their own patch, they were almost put out of the Championship in Wexford Park and then lost a Leinster Final but yet they are now in an All Ireland Semi Final and though almost everyone expects Limerick to win it would take a brave man to bet against them.

This is the same panel he had at the start of the championship so what has changed. Cody learns from his mistake, he does not tolerate substandard effort or performances, and he does not accept excuses. He has built a mantra in Kilkenny that if you want to wear that jersey you must earn and honour it. He has no problem dropping Richie Hogan or Walter Walsh and he makes sure that every man fights for his life with aggression and determination to win every ball. They are example of good quality skill, played in a simplistic team format, with the ultimate desire to win and for me Cody is the benchmark for every manager in the country.

Look at what Eddie Brennan has achieved this year with Laois , two years ago he got almost run out of KK for loosing an U-21 championship game to Westmeath, and in just 10 months he has turned Laois into a team totally unrecognizable from this time last year. Laois had had no success whatsoever at underage over the last 10 years, they had a poor enough League this year and were well beaten by Waterford in Port Laois,. They come through a lower Division , beat a fancied Dublin and then put in a very respectable performance against Tipperary - what a transformation in just 10 months. People will say Dublin and Tipp were not focused, maybe not fully but you still have to out an beat them and when Dublin drew level as the closing stages of the game approached, Laois drove on again

The point of this post is that with the right Manager getting the right attitude and approach from his panel, things can change very quickly - please don't anyone try and tell me we don't have a far superior panel to Laois - there is no talk about 5 years plans there, while they may be looking at them, they are striving for immediate and year on year improvements . I am fed up hearing that we over estimate the quality of our players - our problem not our quality it is our attitude and approach and this starts right at the top with our County Board.

Unfortunately over the years we ( and by we I mean supporters, Management , Co Board and Players) made it become fashionable to represent your county, while in the likes of Kilkenny it is Honorable to represent your county. Love em or hate em you have to admire them.

Is Fanning the man to lead these change, unfortunately i do not think so, i do not think he is strong enough to take on the county board nor the players . He is a hard working, honest, dedicated and good hurling man, but I feel he does not possess the self belief to drive people in his way of thinking and last year will most likely have undermined this self belief further.

I honestly feel we need a new Manager and preferably would look to an outsider as i am not sure we have anyone of the strength and character needed to mould this squad into a a team with All Ireland winning potential.

Purely because of their location and success surely there are some of the Kilkenny lads who might give it a shot, and I don't necessarily mean the high profiles of DJ Carey or Henry Shefflin. What about the likes of J.J. Delaney , Jackie Tyrell, James McGarry, Michael Kavanagh - these are lads that have done it all and know what it takes to win an All Ireland and being from the South East would make travelling easier for them . By all means we can put a Hartley or someone alongsidde them but we really do need someone to drive the county who will be in a position and able to take on the factions at player and county board level.

The CB have enough to think about with the farce of the elections coming up and then we have the world games here

Its been stated there was a clear the air meeting the Tuesday after the Limerick game and Fanning told the squad of his plans for next year after the Cork game. He got a 2 year contract and the only thing that can happen is if he walks away before the end of the summer (imo hes stubborn for that. Getting too a league final is enough for the CB too accept hes the right man

The scary thing will that some good players will not commit with him still in charge. This is much worse than the aftermath of Mcgraths first year

blueflame wrote: »

Laois had had no success whatsoever at underage over the last 10 years.

Laois actually had a handy minor team in 2013. After losing their first round game against Kilkenny they hammered Meath and Offaly before beating Wexford in the semi-final (I was at that game myself). However, although Wexford had beaten Kilkenny in an earlier round, the Cats won the Leinster final handy enough (13 points). Galway then beat Laois by 9 points in the All-Ireland quarter final. Of that team, Enda Rowland, Ryan Mullaney, Mark Kavanagh, John Lennon and Stephen Bergin are on the current Laois senior team.


Apart from that, I agree with everything you wrote in your post.

Kilkenny beating Cork is hardly a massive surprise. We are talking about Kilkenny here. Cork have a flaky team and no better team to exploit that than Kilkenny.

And Laois beat Dublin. These types of results happen from time to time. A once in a blue moon result.

People read way too much into things sometimes.

But Waterford management and the players need to sort it out, whatever that means!

Im still out on whether we have enough forwards either way.

20 point and 13 point Leinster final defeats can hardly be considered success!!

The point I am making is that much of the discussion on here has centered about our lack of underage success and restructuring it when in fact our problem is what is happening at senior rank

Hopefully news will come out soon who will be in charge for 2020 and what players will/wont be there

The senior hurling Championship resumes next weekend

Fri 26th July
Grp 1- Dungarvan vs Clonea (7pm)
Grp 3- DLS vs Ballyduff Upper (8.30pm)

Sun 28th July
Grp 2- Abbeyside vs Roanmore (1.30)
Grp 2- Mount Sion vs Fourmilewater (1.30)
Grp 3- Passage vs Lismore (6pm)
Grp 1- Ballygunner vs Tallow (7.30)

Top team and best runner up go into the QFs with the remaining teams face off in a playoff for the 4 other QF places

EYEBALLSOUT wrote: »

Great win Lowry today. He surely has some Waterford roots that we can cling to??

it probably wouldn't matter , he has loads of offaly roots at the moment and look where that got them