Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

emergingstar

Stopitwillya wrote: »

They are looking to peak for championship id say. Under system brought in last year you are not eliminated even if you lose all your group games. I think the groups only decide what stage and who you play. I could be wrong but last year Ballyduff Lower lost all their group games, won their first championship game (against ferrybank who had done well in the group stages but ended up in a relegation final) played around September and won another after that to actually get to the semi final before losing to eventual winners Clonea.

A stupid system

is it an open draw for the QFs

tommylad1212

emergingstar wrote: »

is it an open draw for the QFs

Think its top 2 from each group, rest cross over and play each other , makes no difference if you loose all your group games

deiseach

I'm looking forward to the day a club says they gave a walkover for non-genuine reasons.

Gardner

tommylad1212 wrote: »

Think its top 2 from each group, rest cross over and play each other , makes no difference if you loose all your group games

crazy system!

always thought the top team from each group went into eastern semi and 2nd and 3rd placed team in each group would then play the Q/F. makes a whole mockery of the championship groups if its an open draw after all the games are played

Gardner

deiseach wrote: »

I'm looking forward to the day a club says they gave a walkover for non-genuine reasons.

what was gaultier's exact excuse?

emergingstar

tommylad1212 wrote: »

Think its top 2 from each group, rest cross over and play each other , makes no difference if you loose all your group games

Think its top 3 in one group and top 2 in the other straight into QFS

Other 6 teams have a cross over playoff to determine last 3 QF spots

just wondering is QF then just a straight open draw or will it be seeded somehow

deiseach

Gardner wrote: »

what was gaultier's exact excuse?

Dunno, but I'm sure it's a genuine one so don't you go a-worrying yourself unnecessarily over the details.

Gardner

deiseach wrote: »

Dunno, but I'm sure it's a genuine one so don't you go a-worrying yourself unnecessarily over the details.

not worrying myself at all

deiseach

Gardner wrote: »

not worrying myself at all

I was being facetious, I'm sure you're not. But I'm also sure the genuine reasons will be treated like the third secret of Fatima.

upthedeise16

Gardner wrote: »

what was gaultier's exact excuse?

“Unable to field”

Jerry Atrick

Gardner wrote: »

what was gaultier's exact excuse?

Ran out of sun cream for the extended panel...couldn't have chaps getting burnt in Lemybrien. What does it matter really? Top 4 teams in the QF...rest in round robin. Simples.

upthedeise16

Jerry Atrick wrote: »

Ran out of sun cream for the extended panel...couldn't have chaps getting burnt in Lemybrien. What does it matter really? Top 4 teams in the QF...rest in round robin. Simples.

There’s only 3 groups

tommylad1212

upthedeise16 wrote: »

There’s only 3 groups

Best runner up

Pogue eile

Pogue eile wrote: »

Not from Waterford but I would respectfully suggest that it is a mixture of all 3, together with an incompetent County Board and throw in a historical divide within the county and the last few performances are what you are left with.

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Not sure about this historical divide business now to be honest with you. There is no rivalry worth talking about in the club championship at the moment, one team all dominating. A lot of the bitterness was between city clubs, but only Ballygunner has significant representation on the team. As many Lismore, Tourin, Fourmilewater, Dungarvan, Clashmore and Ballysaggart players have played as De La Salle and Mount Sion in this year's championship.

None of those clubs would have been prominent when club rivalries causing rifts at County level would have been at its worst, save maybe Lismore. Doesn't seem to influence Jack Prendergast all the same!

Having read the last ten pages of this thread, do you still contend that there is no divide in Waterfrod Hurling??

Jerry Atrick

upthedeise16 wrote: »

There’s only 3 groups

Do your homework before responding lad...

mountgomery burns

Pogue eile wrote: »

Having read the last ten pages of this thread, do you still contend that there is no divide in Waterfrod Hurling??

I took it you were talking about bitter club rivalries causing dissension in the Senior setup? I dont think that is a problem at all. On the other issue, I personally cannot see that as an issue as theres a broad mix between east and west in the Senior panel. The days of perceived bias are long gone at that level.

I see the comment quoted talk about a County divide, but I think you had another comment about club rivalries akin to what many claimed held Galway back for so long? Open to correction on that one.

This thread is contrary at the best of times, would not for a second take it as a mirror into GAA affairs in Waterford.

Pogue eile

mountgomery burns wrote: »

I took it you were talking about bitter club rivalries causing dissension in the Senior setup? I dont think that is a problem at all. On the other issue, I personally cannot see that as an issue as theres a broad mix between east and west in the Senior panel. The days of perceived bias are long gone at that level.

I see the comment quoted talk about a County divide, but I think you had another comment about club rivalries akin to what many claimed held Galway back for so long? Open to correction on that one.

This thread is contrary at the best of times, would not for a second take it as a mirror into GAA affairs in Waterford.

Ah yeah, I think we may have got our wires crossed, I actually meant the east/west divide, divide maybe is not the correct word, but there is a clear distinction made which suggests there is a problem. The Galway one is slightly differnet in that it manifiested itself on teh field, just like Laois coincidently. But a divide in the boardrooms can be a lot more damaging that one on the field.

Your last sentence could apply to all counties and all forms of social media to be fair

tommylad1212

emergingstar wrote: »

Think its top 3 in one group and top 2 in the other straight into QFS

Other 6 teams have a cross over playoff to determine last 3 QF spots

just wondering is QF then just a straight open draw or will it be seeded somehow

The 3rd team in the group of six will go to 1/4 but wont be seeded,

upthedeise16

Jerry Atrick wrote: »

Do your homework before responding lad...

So they can’t choose a best runner up as both Rathgormack and Gaultier finished 2nd in their groups with 4 points each and now scoring difference cannot be used because of the walkover. Don’t think you’re fully grasping the concept of best runner-up.
I hope common sense prevails and Rathgormack are given the best runner up spot as they have a far superior scoring difference despite the walkover.

tommylad1212

upthedeise16 wrote: »

So they can’t choose a best runner up as both Rathgormack and Gaultier finished 2nd in their groups with 4 points each and now scoring difference cannot be used because of the walkover. Don’t think you’re fully grasping the concept of best runner-up.
I hope common sense prevails and Rathgormack are given the best runner up spot as they have a far superior scoring difference despite the walkover.

Rathgormack gone though, doing open draw for 3rd teams

mountgomery burns

The Waterford championships are the equivalent of a summer camp where everyone gets a medal. Farcical stuff

Jerry Atrick

upthedeise16 wrote: »

So they can’t choose a best runner up as both Rathgormack and Gaultier finished 2nd in their groups with 4 points each and now scoring difference cannot be used because of the walkover. Don’t think you’re fully grasping the concept of best runner-up.
I hope common sense prevails and Rathgormack are given the best runner up spot as they have a far superior scoring difference despite the walkover.

As I've said earlier on the thread...common sense would see Rathgormack go through which has happened thankfully. Gold star for your homework upthedeise.

Jerry Atrick

tommylad1212 wrote: »

Rathgormack gone though, doing open draw for 3rd teams

All eight teams left in round robin are in an open draw? Not what happened last year as there was reefing for teams who finished 2nd/best 3rd in group.

Mastermcgrath

Any update on Fanning. Can we assume that as he didn’t resign immediately after the **** show that was the Munster championship this year he intends to hang around?

TheScoringGoal

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

Any update on Fanning. Can we assume that as he didn’t resign immediately after the **** show that was the Munster championship this year he intends to hang around?

I stand open to correction but I thought he said that he intended to stay on for another year? So really the only way he won't be in place is if the players decided they don't want him and the board support that. I haven't heard anything further from the camp since the Cork game. Obviously prior to that there were widespread reports of unrest.

razorronan

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

Any update on Fanning. Can we assume that as he didn’t resign immediately after the **** show that was the Munster championship this year he intends to hang around?

Hopefully the board are sounding out possible successors to Fanning at the minute. There wasn't a stampede to take over the job a year ago so i'd imagine the board would like to know they have somebody lined up before acting. McGrath, Hartley, Queally and Power all realistic successors but don't think many fans would be thrilled to have any of them.

BazBox

razorronan wrote: »

Hopefully the board are sounding out possible successors to Fanning at the minute. There wasn't a stampede to take over the job a year ago so i'd imagine the board would like to know they have somebody lined up before acting. McGrath, Hartley, Queally and Power all realistic successors but don't think many fans would be thrilled to have any of them.

I reckon Fanning will stay on, and if he didn't then I would hope his successor is from outside the county

thesultan

BazBox wrote: »

I reckon Fanning will stay on, and if he didn't then I would hope his successor is from outside the county[/quote
Managementis staying on.

Looks he's staying on.

So far only Brian O'Halloran has retired?

cul beag

Definitely there’s unrest amongst the senior panelists and a lot have stated they will not play under the current regime. But don’t want Mcgrath back either.