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Knock Airport

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  • #152
    JCX BXC
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    imurdaddy wrote: »
    ya suits me! I just felt compelled to clarify that point.

    so any more knock news??

    Nothing more than the 100,000 passenvers. in august.


  • #153
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    imurdaddy wrote: »
    The attempting to class Shannon & Knock as like for like is laughable! .......
    Knock is a great service and facilitie for where it is and great employment boost to the areas, but you can not compare it with Dublin or Shannon,....

    And this is the reason the mods want to keep such comparison out of this thread as invariably it devolves into a back and forth snipe.
    Granted you did follow my advice and use logic and reasoning in your response without attacking another poster.


  • #154
    afatbollix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,083 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    So any word on the Gatwick route??

    If it does go I'll have to fly to Dublin and drive down :(


  • #155
    highlydebased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,470 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    Gatwick now seems to be on sale for next summer


  • #156
    JCX BXC
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    highlydebased wrote: »
    Gatwick now seems to be on sale for next summer

    Why was it listed on wikipedia as ending then?


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  • #157
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,547 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    Why was it listed on wikipedia as ending then?

    Because Wikipedia is edited by random people.


  • #158
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,229 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    MYOB wrote: »
    Because Wikipedia is edited by random people.

    Better question is why did this person list the route as ending in march?


  • #159
    highlydebased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,470 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    The winter season ends and the summer starts at the end of March traditionally


  • #160
    JCX BXC
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    highlydebased wrote: »
    The winter season ends and the summer starts at the end of March traditionally

    Not really answering my question.


  • #161
    L1011
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    Carnacalla wrote: »
    Better question is why did this person list the route as ending in march?

    Because that was when it was bookable to and they made a stupid assumption.


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  • #162
    cgill
    Registered Users Posts: 184 ✭✭cgill


    Since August, no flights were bookable after March 28th, its great that EI found a way to keep it going despite the base closure. Pity it's going to be an A319 again.


  • #163
    cgill
    Registered Users Posts: 184 ✭✭cgill


    MYOB wrote: »
    Because that was when it was bookable to and they made a stupid assumption.

    Not really a stupid assumption, the base closure and EI's 330 day booking policy as well as there being no gap in the operations for the route made quite a lot of people think that it was the end of the route..


  • #164
    JCX BXC
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    cgill wrote: »
    Pity it's going to be an A319 again.

    If you can't fill an a320, why bother having one on the route. I don't see much of a difference in an a319/a320 in terms of being a passenger.


  • #165
    cgill
    Registered Users Posts: 184 ✭✭cgill


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    If you can't fill an a320, why bother having one on the route. I don't see much of a difference in an a319/a320 in terms of being a passenger.

    Taking August as an example, this is hardly a coincidence:

    9180 -A320 (Aug 2014)
    7818 -A319 (Aug 2013)
    9323 -A320 (Aug 2012)
    8653 -A320 (Aug 2011)

    On a short route like Knock-Gatwick, the differences between A319 and A320 arent as important for a passenger. But the passenger numbers appear to suffer on a route that can sustain an A320.


  • #166
    JCX BXC
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    cgill wrote: »
    Taking August as an example, this is hardly a coincidence:

    9180 -A320 (Aug 2014)
    7818 -A319 (Aug 2013)
    9323 -A320 (Aug 2012)
    8653 -A320 (Aug 2011)

    On a short route like Knock-Gatwick, the differences between A319 and A320 arent as important for a passenger. But the passenger numbers appear to suffer on a route that can sustain an A320.

    An august example is no example. If its able to sustain an a320 for 3 sunmer months, what about the other 9?


  • #167
    cgill
    Registered Users Posts: 184 ✭✭cgill


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    An august example is no example. If its able to sustain an a320 for 3 sunmer months, what about the other 9?

    It has an A320 this winter too. I expect it's simply an operational reason for the switch and not a reflection of the route performance.


  • #168
    JCX BXC
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    cgill wrote: »
    It has an A320 this winter too. I expect it's simply an operational reason for the switch and not a reflection of the route performance.

    I don't understand your point.

    It is likely that an a320 may not have the load factor in months other than august and that may be the reason the route was downgraded

    It could also be the DAA bribing Aer Lingus to get the bigger planes to Its new T2 ;)


  • #169
    L1011
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    Carnacalla wrote: »

    It could also be the DAA bribing Aer Lingus to get the bigger planes to Its new T2

    Its not.


  • #170
    JCX BXC
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    MYOB wrote: »
    Its not.

    That was more of a sarcastic remark than an honest opinion.


  • #171
    cgill
    Registered Users Posts: 184 ✭✭cgill


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    I don't understand your point.

    It is likely that an a320 may not have the load factor in months other than august and that may be the reason the route was downgraded

    It could also be the DAA bribing Aer Lingus to get the bigger planes to Its new T2

    Over 6000 passenger carried in March 2012/13 which could be more suited to an A319 than an A320 but the rest of the year looks to have the capacity for an A320.

    My point is that since it will be a W-pattern, based in either Dublin or Belfast, then the DUB or BHD flight may not have the capacity for an A320 which obviously has an affect on the Knock aircraft.

    And it's not the big, bad DAA.... :-D


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  • #172
    JCX BXC
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    cgill wrote: »
    Over 6000 passenger carried in March 2012/13 which could be more suited to an A319 than an A320 but the rest of the year looks to have the capacity for an A320.

    My point is that since it will be a W-pattern, based in either Dublin or Belfast, then the DUB or BHD flight may not have the capacity for an A320 which obviously has an affect on the Knock aircraft.

    And it's not the big, bad DAA.... :-D

    Thanks for clarifying. It seems that since the a319 was introduced it has been having an adverse effect on belfast, Shannon and knock by reducing capacity.


  • #173
    Locker10a
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    Phew, i dont care what aircraft its on im just glad the route is still going ahead next year!


  • #174
    JCX BXC
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    Locker10a wrote: »
    Phew, i dont care what aircraft its on im just glad the route is still going ahead next year!

    What would you think if Ryanair replaced the route?


  • #175
    Locker10a
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    Carnacalla wrote: »
    Thanks for clarifying. It seems that since the a319 was introduced it has been having an adverse effect on belfast, Shannon and knock by reducing capacity.

    I frequent the route and i have flown in February on a jam packed 319 and in May and July on the 320 which went out with less than 100 pax!! It can depend but id rather it be an 319 going out full and making money than half empty planes!! I think when ( if ) the LGW base closes it will be a BFS crew as i have a feeling they did it before! Last winter ?


  • #176
    JCX BXC
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    Locker10a wrote: »
    I frequent the route and i have flown in February on a jam packed 319 and in May and July on the 320 which went out with less than 100 pax!! It can depend but id rather it be an 319 going out full and making money than half empty planes!! I think when ( if ) the LGW base closes it will be a BFS crew as i have a feeling they did it before! Last winter ?
    Im surprised they even have a lgw base anymore.


  • #177
    Locker10a
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    Carnacalla wrote: »
    What would you think if Ryanair replaced the route?

    I would be happy for anyone to replace the route it's much less the airline and more so the convenience for me that makes it important but I would be sorry to see the shamrock disappear from NOC and I know many frequent fliers on the route who are really happy with the service and timings and I hope the route stays I flew it when it was XL airways and now I fly it with Aer Lingus and I hope the route lasts


  • #178
    Locker10a
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    Carnacalla wrote: »
    Im surprised they even have a lgw base anymore.

    Yeah well they are " supposed to close " it but they currently use the crew there for charter work and DUB/ NOC and maybe BHD flights! Nice little base I know some crew there and they have not yet been told when it actually closes apparently or have heard a date but not had it confirmed


  • #179
    Tenger
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    cgill wrote: »
    ...
    9180 -A320 (Aug 2014)
    7818 -A319 (Aug 2013)
    9323 -A320 (Aug 2012)
    8653 -A320 (Aug 2011)

    ......But the passenger numbers appear to suffer on a route that can sustain an A320.
    Well could it be that EI decide to use the A319 when forward bookings are down? EI are quite flexible in their fleet usage, they will switch between A319/320/321 if loads require it and they are able to downguage another route to accomodate.
    In addition it could well be that EI took the decision to standardise their LGW base with A319's and NOC just has to accept that due to the routing system.

    Carnacalla wrote: »
    Im surprised they even have a lgw base anymore.
    They announced closure a few months ago. Closing some time in 2015


  • #180
    cgill
    Registered Users Posts: 184 ✭✭cgill


    Looking at the routes bookable for summer 15 so far, it doesn't look like it will be a record-breaking year for Knock. Birmingham and Liverpool both down to 5-pw. Gran Canaria, Eindhoven, Prestwick, Kaunas and Cologne all removed from airline websites. Manchester not bookable but Flybe are supposed to be reviewing routes there so it's still early days yet. Ryanair have not yet officially announced their summer schedule as they have for all the other Irish airports, so still staying hopeful for some new route announcements...


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  • #181
    JCX BXC
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    cgill wrote: »
    Looking at the routes bookable for summer 15 so far, it doesn't look like it will be a record-breaking year for Knock. Birmingham and Liverpool both down to 5-pw. Gran Canaria, Eindhoven, Prestwick, Kaunas and Cologne all removed from airline websites. Manchester not bookable but Flybe are supposed to be reviewing routes there so it's still early days yet. Ryanair have not yet officially announced their summer schedule as they have for all the other Irish airports, so still staying hopeful for some new route announcements...

    Kaunas moved to Shannon and cologne looks like it will also be moved to Shannon.


  • #182
    cgill
    Registered Users Posts: 184 ✭✭cgill


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    cologne looks like it will also be moved to Shannon.

    Where did you hear this?


  • #183
    JCX BXC
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    cgill wrote: »
    Where did you hear this?

    Its listed on Shannon airports wikipedia page and is also on German wings booking page.

    Its not confirmed, but looks likely.


  • #184
    cgill
    Registered Users Posts: 184 ✭✭cgill


    Thanks, I hadn't seen that. Very disappointing news...


  • #185
    Locker10a
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    cgill wrote: »
    Looking at the routes bookable for summer 15 so far, it doesn't look like it will be a record-breaking year for Knock. Birmingham and Liverpool both down to 5-pw. Gran Canaria, Eindhoven, Prestwick, Kaunas and Cologne all removed from airline websites. Manchester not bookable but Flybe are supposed to be reviewing routes there so it's still early days yet. Ryanair have not yet officially announced their summer schedule as they have for all the other Irish airports, so still staying hopeful for some new route announcements...

    I'm getting worried ! NOC - LGW doesn't seem to be open for booking 😭 I will be devastated if this route is pulled 😥


  • #186
    man98
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    Locker10a wrote: »
    I'm getting worried ! NOC - LGW doesn't seem to be open for booking 😭 I will be devastated if this route is pulled 😥

    EI said they'd fly a DUB/ BHD - LGW - NOC - LGW - DUB/ BHD didn't they?


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  • #187
    cgill
    Registered Users Posts: 184 ✭✭cgill


    Locker10a wrote: »
    I'm getting worried ! NOC - LGW doesn't seem to be open for booking 😭 I will be devastated if this route is pulled 😥

    I was looking last night and they were bookable and the flights were with an A320. The timetable suggests that it will be operated on a W-route from DUB.


  • #188
    JCX BXC
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    cgill wrote: »
    I was looking last night and they were bookable and the flights were with an A320. The timetable suggests that it will be operated on a W-route from DUB.

    What surprises me about the route is that ryanair have not yet tried to compete. I would of thought they would operate a lgw route from knock to "knock" out Aer Lingus


  • #189
    Locker10a
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    Carnacalla wrote: »
    What surprises me about the route is that ryanair have not yet tried to compete. I would of thought they would operate a lgw route from knock to "knock" out Aer Lingus

    They did this years ago when easyJet did the route , easy pulled out and then so do ryanair! So I imagine Knock airport learned a lesson there and won't allow it again! No way is there a market in NOC for two airline operating the same route


  • #190
    notharrypotter
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    So I imagine Knock airport learned a lesson there and won't allow it again!

    European competition rules apply.

    If RYANAIR choose to start a route from Gatwick to Knock there is very little the airport can do to stop them.


  • #191
    L1011
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    notharrypotter wrote: »
    European competition rules apply.

    If RYANAIR choose to start a route from Gatwick to Knock there is very little the airport can do to stop them.

    They're very unlikely to provide any subsidies or incentives for any other operator on an existing route, though. Its a lot more effort to underhandedly bump someone off a route when you've to bear the full cost :pac:

    (not that it stops companies, Stagecoach buses in the UK were renowned for doing 1p fares on unsubsidised routes till the existing operator folded or sold out)


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  • #192
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    Carnacalla wrote: »
    Kaunas moved to Shannon and cologne looks like it will also be moved to Shannon.

    Thats the Shannon bailout by the taxpayer in action. The government have distorted the market to Cork and Knocks detriment.

    Shannon with out any debt and a massive land bank provided by the taxpayer can now undercut any other airport and entice airlines to move there.

    Mcsharry despite the threats from government should of continued with his anti competitive case that he was bring to the European courts.

    Munster people are only now starting to realize that Cork airport is been ripped to shreads due to the anti competitive effects of the bailout of Shannon.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057083007&page=27

    This government can never again say they want balanced regional development because they have unbalanced any balance there was, as for Enda Kenny he wouldn't get elected to a town council in the west at this stage.


  • #193
    irishbloke77
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Thats the Shannon bailout by the taxpayer in action. The government have distorted the market to Cork and Knocks detriment.

    Shannon with out any debt and a massive land bank provided by the taxpayer can now undercut any other airport and entice airlines to move there.

    Mcsharry despite the threats from government should of continued with his anti competitive case that he was bring to the European courts.

    Munster people are only now starting to realize that Cork airport is been ripped to shreads due to the anti competitive effects of the bailout of Shannon.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057083007&page=27

    This government can never again say they want balanced regional development because they have unbalanced any balance there was, as for Enda Kenny he wouldn't get elected to a town council in the west at this stage.

    Oh god, not again , PPLLLEEEEEEEASE.


  • #194
    [Deleted User]
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    irishbloke77 wrote: »
    Oh god, not again , PPLLLEEEEEEEASE.

    Thats the reason for the Ryanair route transfers from KnocK and Cork to Shannon. PPLLLEEEEEEASE....Theirs no denying that, :). Of course the fact that you spend most of your time posting on the Shannon thread you are unlikely to agree to something so obvious.


  • #195
    irishbloke77
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Thats the reason for the route transfers from KnocK and Cork to Shannon. Theirs no denying that, PPLLLEEEEEEASE....:). Of course the fact that you spend most of your time posting on the Shannon thread you are unlikely to agree.

    OR, just an outside chance here, MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, offering a flight from shannon and dublin, Ryanair reckon they can get people from almost anywhere in the republic to travel to either of these airports and only have to offer 2 flights. Combines Ryanairs costs, POSSIBLY.

    Anyway, no, maybe you are right, your idea may be right, but there are other possibilities. Unless you say you work for Ryanair and have insider information??????


  • #196
    irishbloke77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 630 ✭✭✭irishbloke77


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Thats the reason for the Ryanair route transfers from KnocK and Cork to Shannon. PPLLLEEEEEEASE....Theirs no denying that, :). Of course the fact that you spend most of your time posting on the Shannon thread you are unlikely to agree to something so obvious.



    And in relation to your extra bit of information about "spend most of my time posting on the shannon thread", your information is as accurate and factual as everything else you post.

    Anyhow, like I said on my previous post, this is about Knock airport.


  • #197
    JCX BXC
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    MayoMaffia, I understand your support for knock airport, but Shannon is not to blaim for every single problem and you will adventually have to get over the fact that it received slightly more government funding thank knock, rightly so. The DAA caused the debt of Shannon, so they should pay for it.


  • #198
    lord lucan
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    Mod note: Keep it civil and on topic,the Shannon v Knock v Cork stuff has been done to death and if this descends into another flaming war it'll be getting locked.


  • #199
    imurdaddy
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    Shannon has better transport links,and links to mid west south and south connaught for sightseen etc
    World class services and facilities, larger pax catchment area plus selection of destinations for transferring pax upto and including American customs pre clearance.
    Maintenance facilities on site and larger facility with plenty of gates and parking and of course airport is open 24/7 allowing more freedom when scheduling flights.

    The fact is shannon has a lot more to offer airlines and its a choice for airlines of shannon international standard or knock regional standard. Pax are voting with there feet numbers are way up on last year and Ryanair and Germanwings want to capitalise on shannons resurgence, who knows it may not be the last services transferred to Shannon,


  • #200
    Locker10a
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    notharrypotter wrote: »
    European competition rules apply.

    If RYANAIR choose to start a route from Gatwick to Knock there is very little the airport can do to stop them.


    Yeah they can't stop them but they can choose to not offer offer them the same taxes and fees and incentives


  • #201
    Aerohead
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    Not anti Knock here but living in Galway I can be in Shannon in 45 minutes with the motorway, the motorway ended at Gort but work is now underway to bring it to Tuam via Athenry which will make Shannon a very attractive Airport with a motorway all the way for City and County passengers.


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