Ireland u20 2016 6Nations/Junior World Cup

chrstoper · 02-12-2015 5:48pm

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Are Whittle and Osbourne not in the mix? Or Coyne?

i'd be surprised if they were in the 6 nations squad.

might be "in the mix" but so are a lot of players.

depends on injuries in the end, but i'd say there is quite a few non leinster lads ahead of them.

Leinster lads who probably will be involved in squad if healthy:

Andrew Porter(UCD)
James Ryan(Lansdowne)
Max Deegan(Lansdowne)
Will Connors(UCD)
Conor O'Brien(Clontarf)
Jack Power(UCD)
Hugo Keenan(UCD)
Matthew Byrne(Terenure)

Hagz · 02-12-2015 6:25pm

I would have thought Aspil and Kean would be in the squad.

chrstoper · 02-12-2015 6:37pm

Hagz wrote: »

I would have thought Aspil and Kean would be in the squad.

possibly but wouldn't say they are sure things.

I listed the 4 best leinster forwards and the 4 best backs.

case885 · 02-12-2015 6:43pm

Ben betts in with a shout for the squad?

chrstoper · 02-12-2015 6:45pm

case885 wrote: »

Ben betts in with a shout for the squad?

maybe has a chance at backup TH

case885 · 02-12-2015 6:52pm

chrstoper wrote:

maybe has a chance at backup TH

How do you rate his scrummaging?

chrstoper · 02-12-2015 7:02pm

case885 wrote: »

How do you rate his scrummaging?

had a poor interpro series, hasn't progressed as much as hoped.

case885 · 02-12-2015 7:04pm

chrstoper wrote:

had a poor interpro series, hasn't progressed as much as hoped.

Shame, if hes involved with the u20s hopefully it might bring him on.

YZC · 02-12-2015 8:09pm

chrstoper wrote: »

it will be interesting to see if Coyle makes the irish squad, he was behind three other TH's last year for Ireland u19.

Interestly enough after not making Ireland 19s Coyle was the only Leinster prop that was named to start every game in the u20s interprovincial games .

chrstoper · 02-12-2015 8:25pm

He was clearly the best leinster tighthead at u20.. but with Andrew Porter being held out of the interpros it gave Bollard/Vakh A a chance they might not have gotten at LH.

Porter is clearly the best leinster prop at u20 and a certain starter for Ireland he would have started all 3 interpros if he was available.

Coyle has a battle to be backup TH with Ben Betts and Conor Kenny who were both ahead of him last season for ireland u19. It will be interesting to see if he can make it after not being able to last season.

YZC · 02-12-2015 8:34pm

chrstoper wrote: »

He was clearly the best leinster tighthead at u20.. but with Andrew Porter being held out of the interpros it gave Bollard/Vakh A a chance they might not have gotten at LH.

Porter is clearly the best leinster prop at u20 and a certain starter for Ireland he would have started all 3 interpros if he was available.

Coyle has a battle to be backup TH with Ben Betts and Conor Kenny who were both ahead of him last season for ireland u19. It will be interesting to see if he can make it after not being able to last season.

Unfortunately Vakh doesn't seem to have progressed well since u19 . Be interesting to see if he is even in the mix this year.

chrstoper · 02-12-2015 8:39pm

YZC wrote: »

Unfortunately Vakh doesn't seem to have progressed well since u19 . Be interesting to see if he is even in the mix this year.

backup irish LH is open, not sure who will get that spot...

The Lost Sheep · 14-12-2015 3:25pm

Games for 20s confirmed for over Christmas
Leinster in Donnybrook on 22nd and Munster in Musgrave on 28th

The Lost Sheep · 22-12-2015 8:59pm

Did anyone go to the game in Donnybrook today?
Pictures are below
http://inpho.ie/assignment/Ireland-U20-vs-Leinster-Development/z99Exgbn6GpWKJOt28tKHQ..a?ts=36E2QtW-Ufm1Un3KqOxK_Q..a
Some of those who played for each side...
ireland u20
Terry Kennedy
Neil Reilly
Matthew Byrne
Jimmy O Brien
James Ryan
John Poland
David Aspill
Shane Daly
Paul Kiernan

Leinster Development
Tom Treacy
Dan Lavelle
Tommy Whittle
Michael Melia
Tim Foley
Harrison Brewer
Jack O Sullivan
Kyle Dixon

Tarf1234 · 23-12-2015 11:04am

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Did anyone go to the game in Donnybrook today?
Pictures are below
http://inpho.ie/assignment/Ireland-U20-vs-Leinster-Development/z99Exgbn6GpWKJOt28tKHQ..a?ts=36E2QtW-Ufm1Un3KqOxK_Q..a
Some of those who played for each side...
ireland u20
Terry Kennedy
Neil Reilly
Matthew Byrne
Jimmy O Brien
James Ryan
John Poland
David Aspill
Shane Daly
Paul Kiernan

Leinster Development
Tom Treacy
Dan Lavelle
Tommy Whittle
Michael Melia
Tim Foley
Harrison Brewer
Jack O Sullivan
Kyle Dixon

Interesting to see Harrison Brewer still being used at that level. Doesn't bode well for him.

The Lost Sheep · 23-12-2015 12:27pm

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Interesting to see Harrison Brewer still being used at that level. Doesn't bode well for him.

Wouldn't read too much into him playing a one off game like this.

Ireland won comfortably. Wonder if Munster side they'll face will be stronger than that Leinster side...

Tarf1234 · 23-12-2015 1:15pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Wouldn't read too much into him playing a one off game like this.

Ireland won comfortably. Wonder if Munster side they'll face will be stronger than that Leinster side...

Looking at the Leinster Team there is no one else there of his age... Seems odd. Really doesn't appear to be making any impact at all

The Lost Sheep · 23-12-2015 4:02pm

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Looking at the Leinster Team there is no one else there of his age... Seems odd. Really doesn't appear to be making any impact at all

He's only a year older than the players playing 20s so I wouldn't read into it. You will likely see plenty of his age and more playing in the Munster game
It doesn't say much that his future is x....

Squidgy Black · 24-12-2015 2:14pm

John Poland has to be one of the most built SH's we've seen in a while, especially at this age group.

case885 · 24-12-2015 2:28pm

_Tyrrell_ wrote:

John Porter has to be one of the most built SH's we've seen in a while, especially at this age group.

John Poland? Another Conor Murray hopefully

Squidgy Black · 24-12-2015 7:43pm

case885 wrote: »

John Poland? Another Conor Murray hopefully

Poland sorry yeah

First photo I saw of him was just a close up and I was convinced he was a light LH at first glance :pac:

The Lost Sheep · 28-12-2015 3:54pm

Munster development side beat the 20s 38-14.
Munster scored 6 trys to Irelands 2
No mention by Munster twitter account of Irish team or scorers but Munster team was
Stephen Fitzgerald; Colm Hogan, Dan Goggin, Paul Kiernan, Joe White; Johnny Holland, Ryan Foley; Brendan Quinlan, Shane Fenton, Rory Burke, Barra O'Bynre, Sean O'Connor, Evan Mintern, Ben Kilkenny, Ollie Lyons.

Replacements From: Liam McMahon, Shane O'Hanlon, Brian Scott, Cian Barry, Gavin Coombes, John Poland, Tomás Quinlan, Gearoid Lyons, Shane Daly, Steven McMahon, David O'Mahony.

case885 · 28-12-2015 4:36pm

Big win for Munster, presume Johnston, Poland and betts were with Ireland?

Hagz · 28-12-2015 6:55pm

case885 wrote: »

Big win for Munster, presume Johnston, Poland and betts were with Ireland?

Poland was on the bench with Munster. Johnston played for Ireland but left the field injured unfortunately.

Hagz · 28-12-2015 6:59pm

Irish team
Jack Power, Matthew Byrne, Jimmy O'Brien, Conor O'Brien, Hugo Keenan, Brett Connon, Liam Free, Andrew Porter, Hugo Keane, Conor Kenny, Sean O'Leary, Cillian Gallagher, Neil Reilly, Will Connors, Kelvin Browne

Replacements: Adam McBurney, James Bollard, Adam Coyle, Peter Claffey, Matt Cosgrove, Stephen Kerins, Bill Johnston, David O'Mahony

The Lost Sheep · 28-12-2015 10:43pm

Hagz wrote: »

Irish team
Jack Power, Matthew Byrne, Jimmy O'Brien, Conor O'Brien, Hugo Keenan, Brett Connon, Liam Free, Andrew Porter, Hugo Keane, Conor Kenny, Sean O'Leary, Cillian Gallagher, Neil Reilly, Will Connors, Kelvin Browne

Replacements: Adam McBurney, James Bollard, Adam Coyle, Peter Claffey, Matt Cosgrove, Stephen Kerins, Bill Johnston, David O'Mahony

Nice enough mix off all provinces and some exiles. Nice number of players whove came through clubs(youths) as well in O Brien, Kenny, O Leary, Gallagher, Reilly, McBurney, Coyle, Claffey, Cosgrove.

kingofthekong · 10-01-2016 9:53pm

Any reason Dan Trayers hasn't been involved at all, hes a player that would be useful against the bigger teams like England, wales and france in the 6 nations. Just looking at the forwards being used in these squads and bar Porter and Ryan there doesn't seem to be any forwards who will likely be able to mix it up with the larger packs and I know Conan will be filtered in but even so it looks like this team are going to have similar difficulties just like last years team and maybe even have a harder time up front

Selliott190 · 12-01-2016 9:04am

Trayers quit playing rugby during the summer.

Ireland are always going to struggle up front at this level bar the odd exceptionally sized player. Need to rely on skill level like all Irish teams.

ArmchairQB · 12-01-2016 11:25am

Selliott190 wrote: »

Trayers quit playing rugby during the summer.

Ireland are always going to struggle up front at this level bar the odd exceptionally sized player. Need to rely on skill level like all Irish teams.

Max Deegan would probably have been ahead of him anyway but a pity to see him give it up in the right structure he could have developed nicely. Academies & sub academies overflowing with back rows at the moment after a few lean years 5 or 6 years ago

wp_rathead · 12-01-2016 11:36am

Selliott190 wrote: »

Trayers quit playing rugby during the summer.

Ireland are always going to struggle up front at this level bar the odd exceptionally sized player. Need to rely on skill level like all Irish teams.

Ah shame, seemed great talent

Selliott190 · 12-01-2016 3:15pm

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Max Deegan would probably have been ahead of him anyway but a pity to see him give it up in the right structure he could have developed nicely. Academies & sub academies overflowing with back rows at the moment after a few lean years 5 or 6 years ago

He quit because he didn't have the discipline to be a pro rugby.. no structure would have changed that.

Also ulster have no backrows. So system not over flowing even if leinsters is.

ArmchairQB · 12-01-2016 3:23pm

Selliott190 wrote: »

He quit because he didn't have the discipline to be a pro rugby.. no structure would have changed that.

Also ulster have no backrows. So system not over flowing even if leinsters is.

You didn't know Gordon Darcy or Heaslip in their early years so :rolleyes:

Selliott190 · 12-01-2016 3:29pm

ArmchairQB wrote: »

You didn't know Gordon Darcy or Heaslip in their early years so :rolleyes:

Different standard these days.. trayers quit because he didn't want to train and do what was necessary.

kingofthekong · 12-01-2016 5:50pm

Ah that's a shame, especially for someone with his physical abilities, the seven for ospreys that played against leinster last week and outplayed O'Brien is qualified this year for under 20s, he also captained england at u18 level, scary prospect for our lads.
Any ideas what Irelands backrow is likely to be this year?, I know deagan will be 8 , but im not really sure who the other guys are including if there ball carriers or ground hogs etc it seems to be between these guys: browne,cosgrove,reilly,connors and Aspil

Selliott190 · 12-01-2016 6:11pm

Outplayed SOB? He did in my hole.

kingofthekong · 12-01-2016 6:40pm

GO check your hole then mate, he did

wp_rathead · 12-01-2016 6:58pm

Underhill seems real deal alright, funnily enough he can't get called up for England senior squad for next 3 years as he is has signed 3 Year contract with Brigend/Ospreys
So by the end of his contract he will be 22 and uncapped and eligible for Wales (unless America can convince him to play for them as he was born there)

Selliott190 · 12-01-2016 7:05pm

Never said he wasn't good but to claim he outplayed SOB given leinsters dominance at the breakdown is laughable. Just another person who sees a young player and thinks he is spotting a future great because said young player has a good game.

The Lost Sheep · 13-01-2016 6:36pm

Scottish squad named
http://www.fifteenrugby.com/scotland-u20-exile-heavy-squad-named-for-pre-6-nations-training-camp/

English squad named in October - may be some changes but not too many
http://www.englandrugby.com/news/england-u20-name-elite-player-squad/

Wales announce their squad sometime this week.

shuffol · 14-01-2016 3:51am

It's amazing how many SH's and opensides Wales produce, it's like a conveyor belt with a new talent every year.

English Lurker · 14-01-2016 7:35am

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

English squad named in October - may be some changes but not too many
http://www.englandrugby.com/news/england-u20-name-elite-player-squad/

Don't know about injuries but I think Johnny Williams is the only one who'll miss out due to being kept back for his club.

Tarf1234 · 22-01-2016 1:01pm

Players being notified today apparently. hopefully have the squad soon

jacothelad · 25-01-2016 12:29pm

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Players being notified today apparently. hopefully have the squad soon

Forwards:
James Bollard (Dublin University / Leinster)
Kelvin Brown (Shannon / Munster)
Peter Claffey (Galwegians / Leinster)
Will Connors (UCD / Leinster)
Max Deegan (Lansdowne / Leinster)
Shane Fenton (Young Munster / Munster)
John Foley (Shannon / Shannon)
Cillian Gallagher (Sligo RFC / Connacht)
Greg Jones (UCD / Leinster)
Conor Kenny (Buccaneers / Connacht)
Adam McBurney (Ballymena / Ulster)
Sean O'Connor (Cashel / Munster)
Conan O'Donnell (Sligo / Connacht)
Andrew Porter (UCD / Leinster)
James Ryan (Lansdowne / Leinster)
Dan Walsh (Cork Con / Munster)

Backs:
Matthew Byrne (Terenure / Leinster)
Brett Connon (Newcastle Falcons / Exlies)
Shane Daly (Cork Con / Munster)
Hugo Keenan (UCD / Leinster)
Terry Kennedy (St. Mary's / Leinster)
Stephen Kerins (Sligo / Connacht)
Paul Kiernan (UCC / Leinster)
Robert Lyttle (Queen's University / Ulster)
Johnny McPhillips (Queen's University / Ulster)
Conor O'Brien (Clontarf / Leinster)
Jimmy O'Brien (UCD / Leinster)
John Poland (Cork Con / Munster)
Jack Power (UCD / Leinster)
Jacob Stockdale (Belfast Harlequins / Ulster)

FrannoFan · 25-01-2016 1:01pm

Ryan, Deegan and Jack Power impressed in school, interesting to see how they look at this level.

14 Leinster
7 Munster
4 connacht
4 Ulster

Munsters best representation in a while i'd have thought. Might be getting things together at underage after a few quiet years.

What was the name of the Blackrock and Clongowes Hookers last year SCT? both looked good. Are they involved?

The Lost Sheep · 25-01-2016 1:11pm

FrannoFan wrote: »

Ryan, Deegan and Jack Power impressed in school, interesting to see how they look at this level.

14 Leinster
7 Munster
4 connacht
4 Ulster

Munsters best representation in a while i'd have thought. Might be getting things together at underage after a few quiet years.

What was the name of the Blackrock and Clongowes Hookers last year SCT? both looked good. Are they involved?

8 Munster. Still major flaws in overall system in Munster...
1 exile and 6 came through the clubs.
Both of those hookers played the interpros but Munster hooker Fenton and Ulster McBurney are in the squad

Interestingly Charlie McMickan formerly Buccaneers, now playing with Lansdowne is in the provisional squad for Canada u20s

Stainalert · 25-01-2016 1:37pm

Great achievement for Sligo in being 2nd most represented club in the squad (alongside Con)

jm08 · 25-01-2016 1:51pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

8 Munster. Still major flaws in overall system in Munster...
1 exile and 6 came through the clubs.
Both of those hookers played the interpros but Munster hooker Fenton and Ulster McBurney are in the squad

Interestingly Charlie McMickan formerly Buccaneers, now playing with Lansdowne is in the provisional squad for Canada u20s

I'd imagine Bill Johnson would have made the squad if he wasn't injured.

The Lost Sheep · 25-01-2016 3:07pm

Stainalert wrote: »

Great achievement for Sligo in being 2nd most represented club in the squad (alongside Con)

Huge and that shows the future of the sport...

The Lost Sheep · 25-01-2016 3:07pm

Stainalert wrote: »

Great achievement for Sligo in being 2nd most represented club in the squad (alongside Con)

Huge and that shows the future of the sport...

ClanofLams · 25-01-2016 3:11pm

FrannoFan wrote: »

14 Leinster
7 Munster
4 connacht
4 Ulster

5 Connacht actually, Peter Claffey is in the Connacht academy, wrongly listed as Leinster.

Ireland u20 2016 6Nations/Junior World Cup

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