Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

CC1967 · 23-06-2019 9:10pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

If racist means loving your family and by extension to that your country and wanting to defend both as well the western way of life then I'm a racist and proud. In order to do that I believe your borders should be shut as the saying goes you don't lock your door because you hate the people outside you do because you love the people inside.

Same concept here close the borders to defend our country it's culture, heritage and values.

Do you believe Irish people should be allowed live and work in countries outside Ireland?

punisher5112 · 23-06-2019 9:15pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

They get the same health care as anyone else with their income level, right?

They don't get to skip any queue in any hospital, right?

Are you a parrot???

It's a well known fact go in and ask a hospital staff member but be prepared that they won't go on record....

Put it this way if I need medical care and it's terminal and I'm not getting anywhere it would be best for me to be incarcerated as I would receive the best of care...

23-06-2019 9:17pm

dudara wrote: »

How can I put this nicely? I’m not here to be your mother. Manage yourself and don’t engage here if it doesn’t suit you. If you want to close your account, you will find a link to do so in your User Control Panel.

dudara

Death by mod lol.

Then it's I was banned for expressing my opinion, all leftist liberals blah blah blah.

Then it's re-reg time for more of the same.

punisher5112 · 23-06-2019 9:18pm

CC1967 wrote: »

Do you believe Irish people should be allowed live and work in countries outside Ireland?

Of course they are working.....

I don't get this argument to be honest and if you go back 100 years or more people of course left for America etc as they sent to work and live where if they stayed here they would have had close to 0% chance of survival.....
Different now where we have economic immigrants and those that fake their circumstances.....

I'm not heartless either and of course love the idea of helping those that need it but we are been taken for an absolute ride....

Blueshoe · 23-06-2019 9:20pm

DubInMeath wrote: »

Death by mod lol.

Then it's I was banned for expressing my opinion, all leftist liberals blah blah blah.

Then it's re-reg time for more of the same.

Talk about picking up the wrong end of the stick

AndrewJRenko · 23-06-2019 9:20pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Vat. Yes you are correct. And some get the money to buy those cigarettes and pints for free from the government.

While others pay Vat with money they have earned by getting up and going to work. These people also provide the free money for the first group. They also pay for the healthcare, education, housing and practically everything else for the first group.

Doesn't seem very fair does it comrade

Isn't it funny though how many people forget about VAT and Excise duties when they want to play the 'squeezed middle' card. VAT is a big tax, and when combined with Excise duties, they come close enough to Income Tax in terms of total revenue, but I guess some people prefer to play this down.

I presume you've noticed that we're effectively at full employment - unemployment rates down to 4% odd, with very little scope for any significant improvement there.

pinkyeye · 23-06-2019 9:22pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

You just said they are dole heads. And iv been ranting about dole heads.
I also called her a nut job and stated that he lives in a shed in his mammies garden.
I also said both were parasites if they are leeching from the state and not contributing.

What's your issue now?

My issue is you came in here thinking you had found friends in GOD and Rowan in that they blame immigrants for all the problems in this country only to find that they are part of the cause of the problem in this country in that they do fcuk all except sponge off the country all day.

Hilarious.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Blueshoe · 23-06-2019 9:24pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Isn't it funny though how many people forget about VAT and Excise duties when they want to play the 'squeezed middle' card. VAT is a big tax, and when combined with Excise duties, they come close enough to Income Tax in terms of total revenue, but I guess some people prefer to play this down.

I presume you've noticed that we're effectively at full employment - unemployment rates down to 4% odd, with very little scope for any significant improvement there.

So when the economy is going good and at near full employment there are no jobs
When we are in recession there are no jobs.
The 96% percent who are working just got lucky did they.
Probably the worst argument Iv heard in a long time

A boot in the hole and a reduction in welfare for the long term unemployed is what's needed.

Blueshoe · 23-06-2019 9:26pm

pinkyeye wrote: »

My issue is you came in here thinking you had found friends in GOD and Rowan in that they blame immigrants for all the problems in this country only to find that they are part of the cause of the problem in this country in that they do fcuk all except sponge off the country all day.

Hilarious. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Your issue is far deeper in your psyche.

punisher5112 · 23-06-2019 9:26pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Isn't it funny though how many people forget about VAT and Excise duties when they want to play the 'squeezed middle' card. VAT is a big tax, and when combined with Excise duties, they come close enough to Income Tax in terms of total revenue, but I guess some people prefer to play this down.

I presume you've noticed that we're effectively at full employment - unemployment rates down to 4% odd, with very little scope for any significant improvement there.

If you believe them figures then I do feel bad for how you are educated on the topic....

Government has been fudging these numbers quite well just like the Gardai with their breathalyser debacle.....

Job bridge, courses among courses among courses....

Some people are just going one to the other and then others that are as cute go onto disability...

And no of course I'm not stating all on disability are fake but there are plenty.

pinkyeye · 23-06-2019 9:29pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

So when the economy is going good and at near full employment there are no jobs
When we are in recession there are no jobs.
The 96% percent who are working just got lucky did they.
Probably the worst argument Iv heard in a long time

A boot in the hole and a reduction in welfare for the long term unemployed is what's needed.

Like Gemma and Rowan?

Boxing.Fan · 23-06-2019 9:31pm

pinkyeye wrote: »

Like Gemma and Rowan?

He told you already that they were parasites. Let it go.

Blueshoe · 23-06-2019 9:32pm

pinkyeye wrote: »

Like Gemma and Rowan?

Yes a swift kick up the arse for croft. Gemma should go to a mental institution.

They are among a handful of left and right wing nutters who argue back and forth with each other all day. (Like me and you) There is also some red haired woman. I can't remember her name. But she is a bigger parasite than all of them combined.

Do you have work tomorrow?

Blueshoe · 23-06-2019 9:33pm

Boxing.Fan wrote: »

He told you already that they were parasites. Let it go.

He can't. It's all he has

punisher5112 · 23-06-2019 9:34pm

Rowan??? Im not sure I must check that out.

Boxing.Fan · 23-06-2019 9:38pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Rowan??? Im not sure I must check that out.

I highly doubt either of them are on any sort of benefits.

23-06-2019 9:38pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Talk about picking up the wrong end of the stick

You don't want to be a member anymore but won't close your account and won't stop posting.

If you seriously don't like it that much close off your account, or just stop posting, no one is holding a gun to your head.

Other than that don't know what to tell you.

Blueshoe · 23-06-2019 9:41pm

DubInMeath wrote: »

You don't want to be a member anymore but won't close your account and won't stop posting.

If you seriously don't like it that much close off your account, or just stop posting, no one is holding a gun to your head.

Other than that don't know what to tell you.

You don't have to share your thoughts with me. There is an easy option for you

Stephen15 · 23-06-2019 9:47pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

If you believe them figures then I do feel bad for how you are educated on the topic....

Government has been fudging these numbers quite well just like the Gardai with their breathalyser debacle.....

Job bridge, courses among courses among courses....

Some people are just going one to the other and then others that are as cute go onto disability...

And no of course I'm not stating all on disability are fake but there are plenty.

Don't forget wage slavery. Many Irish people won't work because they feel they are better off on the dole than working a minimum wage job as they are earning more when you take expenses away like childcare, transport and rent away from what they are working as they are losing out on many benefits like a council house or rent allowance.

Irish people can't compete with immigrants who are willing to work far longer hours for less money. They're expenses are much less aswell as they share a house in order to send as much money home as possible. Irish people will work but will work if the conditions are good and the pay is enough to live a decent life on.

AndrewJRenko · 23-06-2019 10:08pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

So when the economy is going good and at near full employment there are no jobs
When we are in recession there are no jobs.
The 96% percent who are working just got lucky did they.
Probably the worst argument Iv heard in a long time

A boot in the hole and a reduction in welfare for the long term unemployed is what's needed.

Yeah, quite a lot of that 96% did get lucky - they got parents who educated them, they got enough food, warmth and healthcare to keep them fairly healthy, they didn't find employers discriminating against them because of their address or their accent - lots of luck there, right?

And would the mandatory Intreo programmes equate to a 'boot in the hole' in your book?

punisher5112 wrote: »

If you believe them figures then I do feel bad for how you are educated on the topic....

Government has been fudging these numbers quite well just like the Gardai with their breathalyser debacle.....

Job bridge, courses among courses among courses....

Some people are just going one to the other and then others that are as cute go onto disability...

And no of course I'm not stating all on disability are fake but there are plenty.

Please do educate me on how the independent CSO are 'fudging the numbers quite well'. Jobbridge is closed for a few years now.

And where exactly are these plenty of people faking disability despite the extensive requirements for ongoing medical certification? Have you reported many of them?

Stephen15 wrote: »

Don't forget wage slavery. Many Irish people won't work because they feel they are better off on the dole than working a minimum wage job as they are earning more when you take expenses away like childcare, transport and rent away from what they are working as they are losing out on many benefits like a council house or rent allowance.

Irish people can't compete with immigrants who are willing to work far longer hours for less money. They're expenses are much less aswell as they share a house in order to send as much money home as possible. Irish people will work but will work if the conditions are good and the pay is enough to live a decent life on.

So when you say 'many Irish people', you mean 'less than 5% of the workforce', right? Working minimum wage will not lose out on social housing or HAP benefits.

punisher5112 · 23-06-2019 10:11pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Don't forget wage slavery. Many Irish people won't work because they feel they are better off on the dole than working a minimum wage job as they are earning more when you take expenses away like childcare, transport and rent away from what they are working as they are losing out on many benefits like a council house or rent allowance.

Irish people can't compete with immigrants who are willing to work far longer hours for less money. They're expenses are much less aswell as they share a house in order to send as much money home as possible. Irish people will work but will work if the conditions are good and the pay is enough to live a decent life on.

Yes this is something that those others don't want to admit to or believe is actually happening....

Oh all these Polish are great workers....eh when they are been watched eh yeah but as soon as boss is gone they don't do sh1te.... I seen with my own eyes working on sites....

Stephen15 · 23-06-2019 10:12pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So when you say 'many Irish people', you mean 'less than 5% of the workforce', right? Working minimum wage will not lose out on social housing or HAP benefits.

Not just minimum wage plenty on low wages that aren't enough to live off particularly with the high cost of living in Dublin

punisher5112 · 23-06-2019 10:13pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Yeah, quite a lot of that 96% did get lucky - they got parents who educated them, they got enough food, warmth and healthcare to keep them fairly healthy, they didn't find employers discriminating against them because of their address or their accent - lots of luck there, right?

And would the mandatory Intreo programmes equate to a 'boot in the hole' in your book?

Please do educate me on how the independent CSO are 'fudging the numbers quite well'. Jobbridge is closed for a few years now.

And where exactly are these plenty of people faking disability despite the extensive requirements for ongoing medical certification? Have you reported many of them?

So when you say 'many Irish people', you mean 'less than 5% of the workforce', right? Working minimum wage will not lose out on social housing or HAP benefits.

Job bridge was a complete and utter scam for the most part... Yes it may be over but similar projects are in place and many are just bumped on to the next course.....

CC1967 · 23-06-2019 10:19pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Of course they are working.....

I don't get this argument to be honest and if you go back 100 years or more people of course left for America etc as they sent to work and live where if they stayed here they would have had close to 0% chance of survival.....
Different now where we have economic immigrants and those that fake their circumstances.....

I'm not heartless either and of course love the idea of helping those that need it but we are been taken for an absolute ride....

Ok so it's ok for Irish people to leave for America in famine times for work and survival.

But for example a Syrian family or a family from the Congo coming to escape war, religious persecuction etc is not ok?

How bad does a situation have to be for us to return the help extended to our ancestors?

Also many Irish in America made up the first organised crime gangs in the country and were part of massive criminal operations. Just so we are clear

AndrewJRenko · 23-06-2019 10:23pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Job bridge was a complete and utter scam for the most part... Yes it may be over but similar projects are in place and many are just bumped on to the next course.....

I wouldn't disagree with you about Job Bridge. What similar current projects are you talking about?

CC1967 · 23-06-2019 10:26pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Don't forget wage slavery. Many Irish people won't work because they feel they are better off on the dole than working a minimum wage job as they are earning more when you take expenses away like childcare, transport and rent away from what they are working as they are losing out on many benefits like a council house or rent allowance.

Irish people can't compete with immigrants who are willing to work far longer hours for less money. They're expenses are much less aswell as they share a house in order to send as much money home as possible. Irish people will work but will work if the conditions are good and the pay is enough to live a decent life on.

So then we need these people to do these jobs?

Irish people travel all over the world and work and save their money to come home and buy a house.

Thousands of tradesmen did this in Australia when there was no work here ..

Your enemy isn't a polish man trying to provide for his family on crap wages.

It's the people who pay those **** wages and the system that allows it

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 23-06-2019 10:27pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Isn't it funny though how many people forget about VAT and Excise duties when they want to play the 'squeezed middle' card. VAT is a big tax, and when combined with Excise duties, they come close enough to Income Tax in terms of total revenue, but I guess some people prefer to play this down.

I presume you've noticed that we're effectively at full employment - unemployment rates down to 4% odd, with very little scope for any significant improvement there.

Neither of these facts have anything to do with the squeezed middle, which clearly exists.

The middle income private sector workers are in fact squeezed, not least by the kind of taxes that feather your nest. They are also working class. The class commonly regarded in Ireland as working class is, in Marxist terms, lumpen proletarian.

Then a lot of supposed workers are bureaucrats.

It’s the middle income working classes who have most to lose from any recession, and most can barely build up a pension.

23-06-2019 10:51pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

You don't have to share your thoughts with me. There is an easy option for you

Isn't that what we're here for?

Nice handy ignore function on the site if you don't want to engage with someone. Don't use it myself, but fire away, what ever you need to do for you.

Stephen15 · 23-06-2019 10:53pm

CC1967 wrote: »

So then we need these people to do these jobs?

If the wages and conditions were improved Irish people would gladly work these jobs but they're not. Mass immigration suits big employers but not hard pressed Irish workers and small businesses. That's why I believe that being anti immigration is actually quite a left wing viewpoint

Irish people travel all over the world and work and save their money to come home and buy a house.

Thousands of tradesmen did this in Australia when there was no work here ..

This seems to be the catch all used anytime immigration is discussed in a non positive manner in this country "but the Irish emigrated all over the world". This is because in many cases due to the fact they had no other option due to our ruling government being inept.

Other countries can make their own rules immigration and Australia have much stricter criteria than our own which I would like to see similar here. I'm not against all immigration and would like to see a points system like in Australia where only those who have the skills/qualifications that are required in a particular area can come to lkve and work here.

I also have no problem if other countries want to deport Irish people back to here that are a burden on their society or have broken the law.

Your enemy isn't a polish man trying to provide for his family on crap wages.

No it isn't. Poland is getting richer now and many Polsih are feeling less of a need to leave Poland and come to Western Europe.

It's the people who pay those **** wages and the system that allows it

Yes they are the problem but if people are willing to put up with crap then of course people will exploit that.

24-06-2019 12:00am

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/26/world/europe/immigration-poland-ukraine-christian.html

Blueshoe · 24-06-2019 12:05am

DubInMeath wrote: »

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/26/world/europe/immigration-poland-ukraine-christian.html

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13802/germany-stabbings-knife-crimes

Stephen15 · 24-06-2019 12:11am

DubInMeath wrote: »

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/26/world/europe/immigration-poland-ukraine-christian.html

They're not wrong to take in the immigrants that can assimulate easier to their society. Poland and Ukraine are neighbours a bit like Ireland and England and both share similar cultures and traditions. Who would you rather British, American or European people who can assimulate fairly easily due to having a similar culture to come and live in Ireland or Pakistanis or Nigerians who have a completely alien culture.

Blueshoe · 24-06-2019 12:18am

Stephen15 wrote: »

They're not wrong to take in the immigrants that can assimulate easier to their society. Poland and Ukraine are neighbours a bit like Ireland and England and both share similar cultures and traditions. Who would you rather British, American or European people who can assimulate fairly easily due to having a similar culture to come and live in Ireland or Pakistanis or Nigerians who have a completely alien culture.

They just want anyone and everyone. Not because they care about Ireland but because it will piss off people who do care about Ireland's future

24-06-2019 12:23am

Blueshoe wrote: »

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13802/germany-stabbings-knife-crimes

https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-are-us-pro-israel-groups-boosting-a-far-right-anti-muslim-uk-extremist/0

Blueshoe · 24-06-2019 12:28am

DubInMeath wrote: »

https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-are-us-pro-israel-groups-boosting-a-far-right-anti-muslim-uk-extremist/0

https://theliberal-ie.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/theliberal.ie/swedish-detective-speaks-out-about-suppression-of-information-surrounding-migrant-crime-wave/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQA#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Ftheliberal.ie%2Fswedish-detective-speaks-out-about-suppression-of-information-surrounding-migrant-crime-wave%2F

24-06-2019 12:35am

Stephen15 wrote: »

They're not wrong to take in the immigrants that can assimulate easier to their society. Poland and Ukraine are neighbours a bit like Ireland and England and both share similar cultures and traditions. Who would you rather British, American or European people who can assimulate fairly easily due to having a similar culture to come and live in Ireland or Pakistanis or Nigerians who have a completely alien culture.

Anyone I have worked with here in Ireland who are from Pakistan have no problem integrating they have been actually very positive about the country and us as a nation.
I can't say the same thing about the French people I worked with as a group.
The English people who l have worked with both here and the U.K. were for the most part lovely people but there's a strain of utter assholes in their society that has nothing to do with economic or social background.

24-06-2019 12:36am

Blueshoe wrote: »

https://theliberal-ie.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/theliberal.ie/swedish-detective-speaks-out-about-suppression-of-information-surrounding-migrant-crime-wave/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQA#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Ftheliberal.ie%2Fswedish-detective-speaks-out-about-suppression-of-information-surrounding-migrant-crime-wave%2F

The liberal lol

AngryHippie · 24-06-2019 12:43am

I really feel sorry for Gemma. I've seen it happen before to someone I knew. They were highly educated, had a sharp mind and good critical thinking.

They had a bit of a tailspin around the time of GWB getting elected, they had a difficult year, then 9/11 and off they went straight over the edge into gibbering tinfoil hat-land.

Its tragic, but his mind was just overwhelmed with the obvious probability that the whole thing as not a series of unfortunate events, but rather a planned and concerted conspiracy by a few to deliver a nice profitable war and a cushy second term to the hawks at the cost of hundreds of thousands (no joke - https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/2018/Human%20Costs%2C%20Nov%208%202018%20CoW.pdf) of lives.

He saw the human side of the equation unfolding and it was too much for the man.

Gemma has a similar historical pattern there, personal loss, professional irrelevance and insecurity, tailspin, breakdown and now tinfoil hat.
It's not too late for her to get help, but her friends and family really need to get their fingers out and help her before she does herself (or someone else) some serious harm or undertakes some crazy criminal mischief that lands her beyond the sympathy section of the courts.

Stephen15 · 24-06-2019 12:44am

DubInMeath wrote: »

Anyone I have worked with here in Ireland who are from Pakistan have no problem integrating they have been actually very positive about the country and us as a nation.
I can't say the same thing about the French people I worked with as a group.
The English people who l have worked with both here and the U.K. were for the most part lovely people but there's a strain of utter assholes in their society that has nothing to do with economic or social background.

Arseholes and lovely people in every society including our own. I'm sure some of the Nigerians and Pakistanis are lovely too but that's not to take away from the fact their culture is completely different from our own.

I've had some bad expierences with Pakistanis who work in petrol stations or shops like Spar and Centra many don't speak good English or lack the nessecary customer service and interpersonal skills required to work in Ireland not saying they're all like and I've met nice ones too but plenty of ones that aren't suitable to working in Ireland.

Perhaps the more skilled ones that work in tech firms or as medical professionals are better able to integrate but less so the likes of ones that are unskilled working in shops. Which once again emphasises how introducing a points system like Australia is the most logical way to go.

Stephen15 · 24-06-2019 12:55am

AngryHippie wrote: »

I really feel sorry for Gemma. I've seen it happen before to someone I knew. They were highly educated, had a sharp mind and good critical thinking.

They had a bit of a tailspin around the time of GWB getting elected, they had a difficult year, then 9/11 and off they went straight over the edge into gibbering tinfoil hat-land.

Its tragic, but his mind was just overwhelmed with the obvious probability that the whole thing as not a series of unfortunate events, but rather a planned and concerted conspiracy by a few to deliver a nice profitable war and a cushy second term to the hawks at the cost of hundreds of thousands (no joke - https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/2018/Human%20Costs%2C%20Nov%208%202018%20CoW.pdf) of lives.

He saw the human side of the equation unfolding and it was too much for the man.

Gemma has a similar historical pattern there, personal loss, professional irrelevance and insecurity, tailspin, breakdown and now tinfoil hat.
It's not too late for her to get help, but her friends and family really need to get their fingers out and help her before she does herself (or someone else) some serious harm or undertakes some crazy criminal mischief that lands her beyond the sympathy section of the courts.

Look Ile accept some of her views are bit out there and other times she starts talking about irrelevant crap but she does make some good points with regards to immigration and government corruption and I enjoyed her interviews with National Party members. Justin Barrett and James Reynolds even seemed to be thinking this one is a bit mental but she seemed in her element with Terry Lawton the chemtrail activist guy.

Larbre34 · 24-06-2019 1:55am

Even Gilroy came out after the election and said more or less, 'I'm done, the establishment vote is bullet proof, if millions want more of the same as it appears, then a handful of us are not going to touch that at the moment'

I give him credit for the self-awareness that Gemma totally lacks and it is true that serious conversations must be had about the direction of the Country, but window licking headcases like her and those she sucks in are not the ones to start them.

I'd quite like to see someone, or a group come forward that:

-Wants to tackle profiglacy and Union strangleholds in the public sector
-Demands fiscal prudence and counter cyclical policy
-supports the simplification of the EU and a return to first principles of co-operation, collaboration, trade and fostering peace in the region while acknowledging diversity
-supports economic immigration tailored to the needs of the state and its people, with a contract of participation for those who do come here and that their first loyalty while here will be to an Irish society of these principles and not to the country of origin or any religion to the disadvantage of Ireland and its values
-supports a list system for the Oireachtas to try to kill the parish pump
-Wants the full detachment of any and all religion from the State and taxpayer funded services, yet fosters full freedom of worship for the individual and the family in their personal time
-supports bodily autonomy and equality in health and social services
-makes work always the better choice
-provides social protection as a hand up not a hand out and properly supports the small minority of our people incapacitated by disability or serious illness for however long they need it with dignity and inclusivity
-promotes a non-aligned Defence policy which includes sufficient strength to provide our own comprehensive air and sea defence without UK or other assistance, which is anathema to a sovereign country
-introduces universal military service or specialised civic and community service where everyone of sufficient mobility and capacity gives time and support back to the nation at a young age and remains available and trained for their working life
-has the objective of Irish reunification with consent under a Republic of the foregoing principles without being apologetic for it and without the marxism

Am I asking too much?

batgoat · 24-06-2019 6:17am

Stephen15 wrote: »

If the wages and conditions were improved Irish people would gladly work these jobs but they're not. Mass immigration suits big employers but not hard pressed Irish workers and small businesses. That's why I believe that being anti immigration is actually quite a left wing viewpoint

This seems to be the catch all used anytime immigration is discussed in a non positive manner in this country "but the Irish emigrated all over the world". This is because in many cases due to the fact they had no other option due to our ruling government being inept.

Other countries can make their own rules immigration and Australia have much stricter criteria than our own which I would like to see similar here. I'm not against all immigration and would like to see a points system like in Australia where only those who have the skills/qualifications that are required in a particular area can come to lkve and work here.

I also have no problem if other countries want to deport Irish people back to here that are a burden on their society or have broken the law.

No it isn't. Poland is getting richer now and many Polsih are feeling less of a need to leave Poland and come to Western Europe.

Yes they are the problem but if people are willing to put up with crap then of course people will exploit that.

Know a fair few Polish people between mid twenties and early thirties. They're increasingly concerned by their governments shift to the right, none have any intent of returning to Poland for this reason. You're also the fellow who tends to praise the likes of the Hungarian government so ethics doesn't rank high on your list as proven multiple times.

AndrewJRenko · 24-06-2019 6:51am

Stephen15 wrote: »

They're not wrong to take in the immigrants that can assimulate easier to their society. Poland and Ukraine are neighbours a bit like Ireland and England and both share similar cultures and traditions. Who would you rather British, American or European people who can assimulate fairly easily due to having a similar culture to come and live in Ireland or Pakistanis or Nigerians who have a completely alien culture.

Yes indeed, how could people from such alien cultures have any possible hope of assimilation?

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/watch-iraqi-born-zak-moradi-leitrim-412785

AndrewJRenko · 24-06-2019 6:54am

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

It’s the middle income working classes who have most to lose from any recession, and most can barely build up a pension.

Remind me again how many billions the pension tax relief for the 'squeezed middle' costs us?

Annasopra · 24-06-2019 8:16am

Blueshoe wrote: »

Over 1 billion per annum handed to those on the live register.
What a waste of my money

Edit. It's actually 2,397,434,000 euro down the drain every year

Do you not realise that that billion works its way back into the economy through VAT?

Annasopra · 24-06-2019 8:19am

Blueshoe wrote: »

Down the drain. Wasted by layabouts who have no need to buy an alarm clock.
700,000 on waiting lists in the health system. A disgrace.
Hopefully you never have to experience it

So massively cut the dole then. Then watch as the housing and healthcare get way worse because the needs of the unemployed will rise!

Annasopra · 24-06-2019 8:23am

punisher5112 wrote: »

Why should I have to suffer for someone that shouldn't be even in the country but they get treatment straight away as the authorities have a duty of care but yet I have to be on a waiting list, my mother had cancer and had to lay in a corridor in A&E for over 24hours listening and seeing all sorts of abuse etc.....

I work and work hard but every so often I come across those that take it upon themselves to scream racist.... I would hate to see their reaction if I actually was and did say disrespect them which by the way I would not and this is why I'm so strongly against it been used unless of course warranted....

I treat everyone with respect and as a human being and not by their colour or nationality or whatever they're into....

Exactly the same with gay, lesbian or whatever the next phase is, I don't care what they want to be and if they're happy then I'm happy too.

Simple I've been attacked by Irish people, foreign people and travellers so nothing really different between them only their behaviour shows them up as individuals....

Clearly you dont treat people with respect because of their nationality when you believe your nationality makes you a more worthy and important recipient of healthcare.

Boggles · 24-06-2019 9:44am

Stephen15 wrote: »

They're not wrong to take in the immigrants that can assimulate easier to their society.

From Iraq to Croker joy: Refugee turned hurler Zak wins All-Ireland title

Blueshoe · 24-06-2019 2:47pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Clearly you dont treat people with respect because of their nationality when you believe your nationality makes you a more worthy and important recipient of healthcare.

Go away out of that. That mans taxes are helping to fund the system. He should get first preference

Odhinn · 24-06-2019 3:21pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Go away out of that. That mans taxes are helping to fund the system. He should get first preference

So somebody paying a higher rate of tax should be seen ahead of somebody on a lower rate?

Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

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