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  • #152
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    anewme wrote: »
    Youd think you are the only one who grew up in a Council Estate.

    Anyone with 50k cash to spend on a car/ watch is not just a junkie.

    I never said they were.


  • #153
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Can people be honest here.

    Those who work hard and build up a deposit, sweat for a mortgage approval and all that, then next door get a key with nothing to do really.

    This has actually happened to me. Not a hypothetical situation.

    AND IT DOES NOT BOTHER ME. Nor do I resent my neighbours.

    There you go, is that saying it plainly enough for you?


  • #154
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,003 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Big question for me is.... who are allocated these prime located properties?

    Taxpayers are paying for it after all and we should know. But I suppose GDPR has muzzled everything now. Kind of timely don't you think?


  • #155
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,003 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    AulWan wrote: »
    This has actually happened to me. Not a hypothetical situation.

    AND IT DOES NOT BOTHER ME. Nor do I resent my neighbours.

    There you go, is that saying it plainly enough for you?

    OK, you are alone in thinking that I reckon. Bet you are happy to pay for your neighbours while you have to pay for everything yourself. Happy out.


  • #156
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    AulWan wrote: »
    I never said they were.

    Yes you did. You said the big guys dont live in the council estates, only the poor junkies.


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  • #157
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    OK, you are alone in thinking that I reckon. Bet you are happy to pay for your neighbours while you have to pay for everything yourself. Happy out.

    Nope, I think there have been other posters on the thread who have posted they don't resent their neighbours either. So not alone there.

    And I'm not paying for my neighbours. They pay rent to the local authority. I have no idea how much, and that is none of my business.

    So yeah, I guess I am happy out.


  • #158
    riclad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    IF you live in a council house, and have a 100k car the gardai would notice.
    The top level drug dealers would live in a place like rathmines,in a big house or a 3 bed apartment
    then theres 3 or 4 levels, of local dealers to sell the drug on the streets.
    the council build housing for old people, and people on disability allowance.
    Not just single mothers.


  • #159
    Empty_Space
    Registered Users Posts: 227 ✭✭Empty_Space


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Big question for me is.... who are allocated these prime located properties?

    Taxpayers are paying for it after all and we should know. But I suppose GDPR has muzzled everything now. Kind of timely don't you think?

    So ironic.
    Work hard, pay taxes. Those very taxes then used to place some antisocial troublemaker next door and make life miserable.

    One thing is for sure, these council houses are kept away from the real rich guys, its the working class who get them. Why not place someone in here:D
    https://www.daft.ie/dublin/apartments-for-sale/ballsbridge/penthouse-21-merrion-village-ballsbridge-dublin-1544144/


  • #160
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,003 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    AulWan wrote: »
    Nope, I think there have been other posters on the thread who have posted they don't resent their neighbours either. So not alone there.

    And I'm not paying for my neighbours. They pay rent to the local authority. I have no idea how much, and that is none of my business.

    So yeah, I guess I am happy out.

    33million euro or so in rent arrears in Dublin City Council rents so far. We are ARE paying for the largesse of others living in the City, whilst others who are paying for this are commuting from afar. Not fair, and DCC should get its act together.


  • #161
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    anewme wrote: »
    Yes you did. You said the big guys dont live in the council estates, only the poor junkies.

    What I said was, I've often heard it said that the junkies and dealers live in council estates, while the big boys, the money behind the drug trade, lives in much more salubrious areas.

    I never said anyone who has 50k cash to spend and wears an expensive watch is a junkie. I don't know where you got that idea.

    I don't actually know any major drug barons personally, or what kind of watches they wear, maybe you do? Your neighbours, possibly?


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  • #162
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    riclad wrote: »
    IF you live in a council house, and have a 100k car the gardai would notice.
    The top level drug dealers would live in a place like rathmines,in a big house or a 3 bed apartment
    then theres 3 or 4 levels, of local dealers to sell the drug on the streets.
    the council build housing for old people, and people on disability allowance.
    Not just single mothers.


    Nope, they drive out of Corpo / council areas every day. The people making hundreds of thousands. The ones you read about.

    Mercs/Audi's/BMW's. Saw a Porsche once as well.

    My Dad lived in a Council area with a criminal element and I was followed once (because I drive a similar car)


  • #163
    [Deleted User]
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    [double post .


  • #164
    [Deleted User]
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    I don't think you understand that those of us who scrimped and scraped to buy a house under our own steam do not relish the idea of others living next door who didn't have to do that at all, just have a few kids and you're grand, here's the key.

    It is normal to resent an immediate occupation of a house with no deposit, no mortgage etc. compared to those who have to pay through the nose.

    Perfectly normal IMV.
    ,

    Those of us that scrimped & saved?
    I have worked all my life, I saved & bought a house, I have since sold it & am now looking to buy another.

    I have more to do with my life than be bitter towards people who will never afford to buy their own home. I think most people would be the same.


  • #165
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    33million euro or so in rent arrears in Dublin City Council rents so far. We are ARE paying for the largesse of others living in the City, whilst others who are paying for this are commuting from afar. Not fair, and DCC should get its act together.

    Fine. I'll knock on my neighbour's door in the morning and tell them they owe DCC €33 million.

    Will that make you feel better? :rolleyes:


  • #166
    [Deleted User]
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Big question for me is.... who are allocated these prime located properties?

    Taxpayers are paying for it after all and we should know. But I suppose GDPR has muzzled everything now. Kind of timely don't you think?

    GDPR?
    Do you suggest that in the past, you would have been given details of people living in social housing!
    Don't be ridiculous


  • #167
    Empty_Space
    Registered Users Posts: 227 ✭✭Empty_Space


    AulWan wrote: »
    Fine. I'll knock on my neighbour's door in the morning and tell them they owe DCC €33 million.

    Will that make you feel better? :rolleyes:

    AulWan, Im just curious. Are you taking the subject of this thread personally?.

    Probably half the thread posts are from you.:)


  • #168
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    AulWan wrote: »
    What I said was, I've often heard it said that the junkies and dealers live in council estates, while the big boys, the money behind the drug trade, lives in much more salubrious areas.

    I never said anyone who has 50k cash to spend and wears an expensive watch is a junkie. I don't know where you got that idea.

    I don't actually know any major drug barons personally, or what kind of watches they wear, maybe you do? Your neighbours, possibly?

    Very naive for someone who says they grew up in a Council Estate.

    The gangland culture is rife in these areas. Its telephone number money, not junkie stuff.

    I don't live there any more, but I work there.


  • #169
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,003 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    There is some amount of bollixology going on here withe regard to certain posters.

    Most people want a quiet life and if honest, want to live with like minded people who have also saved hard to get their gaff and respect their neighbours.

    But there will always be the naysayers who would not live beside ASB heads but will never admit it, but will pretend they do. For the craic like.


  • #170
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    Empty_Space wrote: »
    AulWan, Im just curious. Are you taking the subject of this thread personally?.

    Probably half the thread posts are from you.:)

    Why would I? I don't live in chapelizod, and I don't live in fear of social housing tenants, so I'm confused by your question.

    I was unaware that so much open and utter hatred of social housing tenants existed, until I started reading boards a few months ago.

    Quite honestly, I find the levels of hatred and resentment more then a little disturbing.

    Just get on with your own life, and let others get on with theirs.


  • #171
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,003 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Those of us that scrimped & saved?
    I have worked all my life, I saved & bought a house, I have since sold it & am now looking to buy another.

    I have more to do with my life than be bitter towards people who will never afford to buy their own home. I think most people would be the same.

    Where are you moving from and why? None of my business I know that, but what would your considerations be in buying a hard worked for house? Be honest now!


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  • #172
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Most people want a quiet life and if honest, want to live with like minded people who have also saved hard to get their gaff and respect their neighbours.

    Fixed that for you.


  • #173
    ligerdub
    Registered Users Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭ligerdub


    Quite a lot in this so not reading through all the previous pages. My apologies if I'm repeating anything.

    This is absolutely not NIMBYISM.

    There are several reasons that locals are objecting to this.

    1. This site had been lined up as a new scouts den for many years. There were a lot of fundraisers for it over the years and now those plans are obviously over. So the fundraising effectively went for nothing.

    2. Chapelizod is a small town, but even in this small town there are 2 nursing homes, an old folks commune, an estate built exclusively of social housing which I understand was built for single mothers. There are only 4 small estates in the town where there are family friendly style housing. On top of this there are 3 new apartment blocks, mostly used by young renters. Adding in another construction for social housing (non-families too I understand) hardly helps to make a cohesive community in a town already very top heavy with homogeneous communes (be it the elderly, single mothers, long term unemployed).

    3. Transport links. People who have an issue with this proposal being opposed by locals would do well to take a look at the Chapelizod Chap Lips facebook page and see the queues at the bus stops every morning. Absolutely no buses stop between 7.45 and 8.30 in the morning. The only one that's feasible is a specifically scheduled one that leaves Chapelizod at 8.20. There's no DART, no LUAS, and on top of this shambles with the bus service the already sporadic service is going to get even more sparse. With the new Bus Connects plan most of the public transport links from West of the town will bypass the town entirely. Adding more people into this already shambolic situation will only make things worse.

    4. Parking. Parking in the town is an absolute disaster. Pretty similar to number 3. The plan for this build will only have parking for about half the amount of dwellings.......so where will the rest of them park?!

    Chapelizod has never had an issue in having social housing built, but there is a limit. If there wasn't such an issue with parking and transport this build would pretty much be a non-issue. The number of isolated living quarters in the mix is also another factor, but secondary to the other ones.


  • #174
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,003 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    AulWan wrote: »
    Fixed that for you.

    Works well if you pay for it yourself. Fixed!


  • #175
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    anewme wrote: »
    Very naive for someone who says they grew up in a Council Estate.

    The gangland culture is rife in these areas. Its telephone number money, not junkie stuff.

    I don't live there any more, but I work there.

    What, I'm niave now because I don't share your view and look down on where I come from, like you clearly do?

    Seems like you did okay for yourself, growing up in a council estate.


  • #176
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Works well if you pay for it yourself. Fixed!
    Weak.


  • #177
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,229 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Not necessarily.
    Completely depends on what type of crimes.

    Waste of time trying to debate if that’s your response


  • #178
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,003 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    AulWan wrote: »
    Weak.

    Strong.


  • #179
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Strong.


    Sorry Spanish Eyes but your last two posts make absolutely no sense, AT all.... you're just babbling now.

    Go to bed. I presume you have work tomorrow.

    Things may be clearer to you in the morning. :)


  • #180
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,003 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    AulWan wrote: »
    Sorry Spanish Eyes but your last two posts make absolutely no sense, AT all.... you're just babbling now.

    Go to bed. I presume you have work tomorrow.

    Things may be clearer to you in the morning. :)

    At least I work for a living, bought my own house and never got a penny from the State, and wouldn't want to either.

    What's your own situation if you don't mind me asking.


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  • #181
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    AulWan wrote: »
    What, I'm niave now because I don't share your view and look down on where I come from, like you clearly do?

    Seems like you did okay for yourself, growing up in a council estate.

    You are naive if you think only the poor junkies live in council estates with the rest of the drug culture controlled by someone living somewhere more expensive.

    I did ok. I'm happy with where I come from and where I live now.


  • #182
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    At least I work for a living, bought my own house and never got a penny from the State, and wouldn't want to either.

    What's your own situation if you don't mind me asking.

    I do mind because its not relevant, but I'll answer you anyway.

    Management level public service job, home owner. 3rd level education. Never a day unemployed since I was 17 years of age.
    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    .. never got a penny from the State, and wouldn't want to either.

    I take it this means you see receiving assistance from the State as something to be ashamed of, as well as look down on those who receive it.

    I hope life never throws you some unexpected curveball, like redundancy, illness or seperation, that could see that changing for you.


  • #183
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    anewme wrote: »
    I'm happy with where I come from and where I live now.

    Your posts would suggest otherwise.

    Is you father aware of your attitude towards social housing?


  • #184
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    AulWan wrote: »
    Your posts would suggest otherwise.

    Is you father aware of your attitude towards social housing?
    .

    It's your own posts come across with a major chip as someone else said.

    My Father?

    Hes in a care home with dementia so he could not give a flying fck about social housing at this point.

    Tipping point, they like that, and the Chase . People with dementia like quiz shows.


  • #185
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    anewme wrote: »
    .

    It's your own posts come across with a major chip as someone else said.

    My Father?

    Hes in a care home with dementia so he could not give a flying fck about social housing at this point.

    Tipping point, they like that, and the Chase . People with dementia like quiz shows.

    I'll rephrase that then. You said your father lived in a council area.

    Before his decline, was he aware of your distainful attitude towards those who live in social housing?


  • #186
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    AulWan wrote: »
    I'll rephrase that then. You said your father lived in a council area.

    Before his decline, was he aware of your distainful attitude towards those who live in social housing?

    He hated that place at the end . Always shootings.


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  • #187
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    anewme wrote: »
    He hated that place at the end . Always shootings.

    Thats not what I asked. Twice. But your unwillingness to give a straight answer is answer enough.


  • #188
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    AulWan wrote: »
    Thats not what I asked. Twice. But your unwillingness to give a straight answer is answer enough.

    I'm not sure where the directive is, that people have to answer to to you, to your level of satisfaction.

    You aleady said that there are no serious drug dealers only junkies in council areas, which is absolute rubbish.

    As others have pointed out already, you have a persecution complex over where you live.

    That's not anyone else's fault or issue, only your own.


  • #189
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    anewme wrote: »
    I'm not sure where the directive is, that people have to answer to to you, to your level of satisfaction.

    It was a simple question. Just be honest, you didn't want to give a straight answer!
    anewme wrote: »
    You aleady said that there are no serious drug dealers only junkies in council areas, which is absolute rubbish.

    That is not what I said, and I have already clarified this. You are either being deliberately obtuse at this point, or have comprehension issues.
    anewme wrote: »
    As others have pointed out already, you have a persecution complex over where you live.

    That's not anyone else's fault or issue, only your own

    For the record, I couldn't give two f**** what you or anyone else here thinks about where I live.

    If anyone has a persecution complex here, its those who are so utterly horrified at the thought of any social housing anywhere near them, to the point that they'd actually consider selling up and leaving to avoid it.

    I've been totally honest in all my replies, they are just not what you want to hear and go against the popular opinion that social housing tenants are all troublemakers, that I should resent living in the same area I do because I paid for my house myself.

    I'd far rather live alongside the ordinary decent people I do, then some of the snobs posting here, anyday, thats for sure.

    Night now.


  • #190
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,403 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    This is happening folks, to varying extents depending on government formation. But make no mistake: more social housing is coming. More affordable housing is coming. And it will be in and around private estates. It has to happen, and the will of the electorate is for it to happen.

    You can spend money and time objecting, you may even want to lie down in front of diggers if it comes to it. But for the political parties to deliver on their promises at the election just gone you have to lose in the end. The political incentive is finally there.


  • #191
    [Deleted User]
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    Cyrus wrote: »
    Waste of time trying to debate if that’s your response

    I will think I know enough about crime.
    You clearly don't if you don't understand there are different types of crimes


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  • #192
    [Deleted User]
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    Cyrus wrote: »
    Waste of time trying to debate if that’s your response

    I will think I know enough about crime.
    You clearly don't if you don't understand there are different types of crimes


  • #193
    [Deleted User]
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Where are you moving from and why? None of my business I know that, but what would your considerations be in buying a hard worked for house? Be honest now!

    I have already moved. I sold a house in sth Co. Dublin & am renting in the northside.
    I was to buy a well built house, with some character, with the rear facing south or west. A garage or big she'd would be nice too. .
    Honestly, I really don't care whether the people in the area have bought their house or are renting from the council.


  • #194
    [Deleted User]
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    There is some amount of bollixology going on here withe regard to certain posters.

    Most people want a quiet life and if honest, want to live with like minded people who have also saved hard to get their gaff and respect their neighbours.

    But there will always be the naysayers who would not live beside ASB heads but will never admit it, but will pretend they do. For the craic like.

    Everybody wants a quiet life I would imagine.
    I don't care how much the neighbors paid for their houses!
    & no, obviously no-one wants to live beside someone who has an asbo, not sure why you think they would.


  • #195
    zerosugarbuzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭zerosugarbuzz


    ligerdub wrote: »
    Quite a lot in this so not reading through all the previous pages. My apologies if I'm repeating anything.

    This is absolutely not NIMBYISM.

    There are several reasons that locals are objecting to this.

    1. This site had been lined up as a new scouts den for many years. There were a lot of fundraisers for it over the years and now those plans are obviously over. So the fundraising effectively went for nothing.

    2. Chapelizod is a small town, but even in this small town there are 2 nursing homes, an old folks commune, an estate built exclusively of social housing which I understand was built for single mothers. There are only 4 small estates in the town where there are family friendly style housing. On top of this there are 3 new apartment blocks, mostly used by young renters. Adding in another construction for social housing (non-families too I understand) hardly helps to make a cohesive community in a town already very top heavy with homogeneous communes (be it the elderly, single mothers, long term unemployed).

    3. Transport links. People who have an issue with this proposal being opposed by locals would do well to take a look at the Chapelizod Chap Lips facebook page and see the queues at the bus stops every morning. Absolutely no buses stop between 7.45 and 8.30 in the morning. The only one that's feasible is a specifically scheduled one that leaves Chapelizod at 8.20. There's no DART, no LUAS, and on top of this shambles with the bus service the already sporadic service is going to get even more sparse. With the new Bus Connects plan most of the public transport links from West of the town will bypass the town entirely. Adding more people into this already shambolic situation will only make things worse.

    4. Parking. Parking in the town is an absolute disaster. Pretty similar to number 3. The plan for this build will only have parking for about half the amount of dwellings.......so where will the rest of them park?!

    Chapelizod has never had an issue in having social housing built, but there is a limit. If there wasn't such an issue with parking and transport this build would pretty much be a non-issue. The number of isolated living quarters in the mix is also another factor, but secondary to the other ones.

    Where is the housing estate dedicated to single mothers? I spend time with friends in Chapelizod and never heard of such a place.


  • #196
    [Deleted User]
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    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    This is happening folks, to varying extents depending on government formation. But make no mistake: more social housing is coming. More affordable housing is coming. And it will be in and around private estates. It has to happen, and the will of the electorate is for it to happen.

    You can spend money and time objecting, you may even want to lie down in front of diggers if it comes to it. But for the political parties to deliver on their promises at the election just gone you have to lose in the end. The political incentive is finally there.

    Yep dead right.
    Surely that's why everyone voted Sinn Fein right?
    That's the change they want right?


  • #197
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,229 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    bubblypop wrote: »
    I will think I know enough about crime.
    You clearly don't if you don't understand there are different types of crimes

    i clearly do, and there are a multitude of statistics about crime in areas, if you want to pretend like the rate of crime isnt higher in clondalkin than it is in blackrock there really isnt any point in engaging with you.


  • #198
    [Deleted User]
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    Cyrus wrote: »
    i clearly do, and there are a multitude of statistics about crime in areas, if you want to pretend like the rate of crime isnt higher in clondalkin than it is in blackrock there really isnt any point in engaging with you.

    No, like I said, it depends on what type of crime you mean.
    For example, burglaries would be higher in blackrock


  • #199
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,229 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    bubblypop wrote: »
    No, like I said, it depends on what type of crime you mean.
    For example, burglaries would be higher in blackrock

    i mean all crime, stop being obtuse.

    and the burglars in blackrock wont be local will they.


  • #200
    [Deleted User]
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    Cyrus wrote: »
    i mean all crime, stop being obtuse.

    and the burglars in blackrock wont be local will they.

    No they probably won't.

    You want to take all crimes lumped together without anythung else taken into account. That's how statistics are used incorrectly. For example, there is probably a huge crime rate on Henry St Dublin, taken alone it may say 75 crimes for every one person living there. But then we know there is huge shoplifting incidents, begging & not many people actually living there.
    So, yes the type of crime does matter, as does other factors.


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    Cyrus
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    No they probably won't.

    You want to take all crimes lumped together without anythung else taken into account. That's how statistics are used incorrectly. For example, there is probably a huge crime rate on Henry St Dublin, taken alone it may say 75 crimes for every one person living there. But then we know there is huge shoplifting incidents, begging & not many people actually living there.
    So, yes the type of crime does matter, as does other factors.

    i dont need to be nuanced when saying there is less crime and less chance of living beside a criminal in blackrock versus clondalkin. for some reason you think its a point worth debating.


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