Discovery 3x13 - 'That Hope Is You, Part 2' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** }

FutureGuy wrote: »

Silly writing. Silly silly blocking.

- Book, go use the spore drive. Yay, we are saved.
- The ship is hollow and 3 kilometers long/wide
- Didn't we reveal Su'kal was the cause of the Burn about 9 times?
- They are making a Star Trek show without any thought for what a Trek fan would want. Ni'var ships arrive? Here are some grainy, long-distance copy and paste jobs. USS Voyager ready to go? Barely show it.
- Did I mention the hollow ship?
- Stamets has turned into a whiny little b!tch.
- Fcuking pesticide bombs. Pesticide? Really? Best you could write?
- Technology makes no sense. "let's beam the enemy off the ship" - erm they can just beam back on immediately.
- The whole premise is that everyone is far away from each other due to the Burn but Vulcans could be there with a FLEET in what seems like 6 hours? Come on.
- The data core and the Oryssa fight. Jesus.

You forgot the view screen/control panel that can swallow people whole!

muckwarrior wrote: »

You forgot the view screen/control panel that can swallow people whole!

And the warp core that fall 20 decks down a fun slide hoping off the wall on the way down.

You wouldnt want to be in a hurry to get that core out

seamus wrote: »

I enjoyed the episode overall, more than most others this season. I'm even willing to accept the magic science to explain the burn, and that explains why Booker can fly the spore drive.

Not happy about Burnham as Captain, doesn't bode well for next season. Also the dead boyfriend manifesting as a holo. Come on ta fvck. More than happy to accept his existence as something Adira could see. Seeing visions of past hosts is well established as something that happens with Trill. But him magically appearing as a sentient separate holo, just turns it into a joke.

Agree, however, I like that she could make it as captain (eventually) but this was very very rushed. The dead boyfriend is very fairy tale storytelling and makes no sense at all.

What is going on with those turbo lifts. It looks like they are massive. I thought they were back at Starfleet HQ for a moment, why is it so big in there. It's bigger than the ship...

I thought it was watchable, but I was on the sauce at the time.

Thinking about it more today, Osiris’ armistice was handled like the writers were preschoolers. I believe that she wanted an armistice and I think giving admiral Vance 15 minutes to have a look over it and see what he thought was total rubbish. It really just seems like something that was thrown in just to give her an excuse to be there. Maybe I’m wrong but I do think she was genuine and I almost want to cry when I think about the double episode TNG would’ve gotten out of just that particular point alone.

I thought the whole thing raised interesting ethical questions because of the type of person she was. Forget all of the other bull crap, as far as I’m concerned that was Trek right there. I thought the double episode in The mirror universe was a lot of crap and I would rather have seen even an episode devoted to that particular ethical point.

Instead we got lots of round house kick’s, phaser fire, turbo lifts that are pure fantasy And nothing actually of substance to show for it all. The very suggestion that the chain disintegrated because Osyras was killed is laughable. You can be damn sure that if she was building up political capital for an armistice there had to be others in league with her who her equally interested in the same thing. I actually think it made little of the Federation. I’m so tired of this rubbish. It made it look like the other races were joining the Federation to get in on the dilithium party and honestly we know that’s not really what the federation are like.

I really haven’t been this pissed off about Trek since Into Darkness. I’m sorry there’s a fourth season being made. They really should’ve left it where it was.

Seven sexuality doesn't get a mention until the very last episode of Voyager where she is in her own words "experimenting" with Chakotay so how exactly are you so sure she is not bi. And she can still be a sex symbol to straight men except of course the homophobic ones

Also how is being gay a " character assassination" honestly a disgusting comment

Slydice wrote: »

I imagine Starfleet are going to emerge as a way bigger power in the quadrant/galaxy if they are the only ones with large amounts of dilithiumand the spore tech. Bookers people might be in a similar position with the spore drives.

See that would be interesting. Which is why it will never happen in this show. Or if it does there'll be a brief mention in one episode, then come flying in as the most important plot point in the last episode.

Easily the weakest season of Trek for me.Like I'll still watch it going on, 'cos it's Trek, but I have to say I wasn't looking forward to watching the past few episodes because it's readily apparent how capable the writers of this show are.

breezy1985 wrote: »

Tell me where was her sexuality confirmed in Voyager ?

It didn't have to be confirmed that she wasn't gay, or bi-sexual. Very early on, she made a move on Harry Kim by demanding he remove his clothes for sex. Then she practiced dating with the doctor and went on a few dates. They were all men....just incase you don't remember. She had a sexual relationship with Chakotays holo representation and later went on to the real thing. an alternate timeline points to them being married. No steamy girl on girl suggestions at any stage.

https://loveinterest.fandom.com/wiki/Seven_of_Nine#:~:text=Seven%20begins%20a%20romantic%20relationship,the%20two%20finally%20began%20dating.

As for Culber if he shifted Tilly I would think Wow he is cheating that's gonna cause problems down the line

That tells me all I need to know. You'll be happy as long as the boxes are ticked. No need to know where the ink came from. Thanks.

GSPfan wrote: »

So here’s a serious question....

Stamets is now serving on a ship with his family and he seemingly can’t carry out his duties without prioritising them over any reasonable course of action.

He also seems to be openly aggrieved with his new Captain.

They have found someone else who can pilot the ship.

Is Stamets now a big problem for Burnham?

Ordinarily you would think so but really I can see them resolving this in a single scene like before before with the whole argument over who was the most important person on the ship. I don’t trust these writers anymore to make sensible decisions

GSPfan wrote: »

So here’s a serious question....

Stamets is now serving on a ship with his family and he seemingly can’t carry out his duties without prioritising them over any reasonable course of action.

He also seems to be openly aggrieved with his new Captain.

They have found someone else who can pilot the ship.

Is Stamets now a big problem for Burnham?

I'm fairness to Stamets if Burnhams family were dying on a planet all the rules would have been broken to save them

...Ghost... wrote: »

Perhaps because it's not unusual to see someone making out with a random stranger stranger of any gender at a party unless the gender is opposite to the understood and established preference of that person. Also i'm not aware that there was any establishment to Detmers sexual preferences, nor does it matte nearly as much, because she is a minor character with no backstory. But if it was established in any meaningful, or direct way that she was hetero, please do enlighten me.

If there were nobody of your sexual preference on a ship, would you think about having sex with the other gender?

Bi seven could be bi or do you think that doesn't exist.
Sevens backstory was she was captured by the Borg as a child and was discovering how to be human and obviously she realized she is bi in the many years between Picard and Voyager

breezy1985 wrote: »

Bi seven could be bi or do you think that doesn't exist.
Sevens backstory was she was captured by the Borg as a child and was discovering how to be human and obviously she realized she is bi in the many years between Picard and Voyager

No. What happened is some woke, entitled writers sh@t all over years of character development and at the very end of the script they decided that Seven was gay. Any half competent writer would have written it into the story, not in the closing seconds of the finale.

edited to add: if you are happy with such lazy writing, that's fine. I expect a bit more than unexplained magic and empty vessel characters of no gender.

breezy1985 wrote: »

Bi seven could be bi or do you think that doesn't exist.
Sevens backstory was she was captured by the Borg as a child and was discovering how to be human and obviously she realized she is bi in the many years between Picard and Voyager

I don't have any problem with any of the identity characteristics on Discovery - it's the least of its problems. Though I do think they do a disservice to the people they're representing by developing these characters so poorly, but that's neither here nor there.

The Seven moment was weird though. The fact that you need to say stuff like maybe there weren't any bi/gay women on Voyager for her to explore with, or maybe she just found her sexuality at some point in the meantime, is indicative of the problem. We are given no context so have to invent it ourselves.

If this is the thing you're choosing the make the final emotional beat of this character's season, then earn it earlier in the season and make it mean something to us. The fact they made it her final act means the writers thought it was at least somewhat of a big deal - otherwise it could've just been some little throwaway moment like you described with Detmer.

It's not exactly the end of the world (and I totally disagree with the comment of it being "a big FU to straight male fans"), but just feels like more of the shoddy haphazard careless writing we've come to expect from Star Trek of late.

Just finished watching this episode now.

All I will say is it was very disappointing.

I hated the turbo lift part and it asking for what sector lol. It's a Starship built in the 23rd century not a tardis.
The crew getting to the nacelle. Really how dragged out was that. Surely there would have been space suits they could have got somewhere or even oxygen somewhere. Did they all really have to go to the nacelles.
I also was bored of the nonsense on the planet.
Why did the Federation not have a code for Discovery like Kirk had the code for the Eeliant in TWOK. Surely after upgrading the most valuable ship in Starfleet that would have been something they should have had and if Osyirea had just replaced the Discovery operating system with her own that is silly too.
The fight scenes were overdone and boring.

The best part of this episode was the last 6 minutes.

However I do have hope for season 4 been maybe the season that season 3 should have been. They might actually get back to been explorers and been like Star Trek. The new uniforms reminded me if the ones from TMP.
Anyway that is all I have to say.

Am going to watch some Star Trek that actually feels and looks like Star Trek now and has good episodes aka Lower Decks.

That turbolift thing dated back to Season 1 though this is the first time we got a really clear extended look at Discovery's weird hollow space.

Regarding Seven it was not about her sexuality coming out of left field. I think there was a suggestion that the woman she killed in an earlier episode was a previous partner/lover. Grand, whatever you're into.

For me it was the fact she was holding hands in a romantic way with someone she previously had only two words with. Bull**** writing. It would have been just as weird if she was interlocking fingers with the captain, Rios was it?

What what the idea of gray? Absolute nonsense as was the scene with the 3 of them at the end ignoring MB.
Liked the turbo lift graphics.
It's a 32C refit.
Love the throwback to the original series with the theme music at the end.

SouthWesterly wrote: »

Liked the turbo lift graphics.

But it makes no sense.

PhiloCypher wrote: »

There's so much more wrong with Discovery then its box ticking tho, banging on about its wokeness does you no favours. It genuinely feels like when I see certain posters in this subforum I know almost without reading , of the episodes many flaws, they will choose to bang on about 'woke' this 'tick box' that , like a broken record . That we've spent so many posts in this thread on Wokeness instead of that ridiculous turbolift scene baffles me beyond belief.

Seriously, Borg Cubes don't have that much internal space.

I think the woke point is that there is so much energy gone into the box ticking that the writers have lost the plot, excuse the pun. I agree, it's one point that's gotten too much attention. The flaws are multi-faceted and inexcusable. So many things go without explanation and sci-fi is closer to magic in Disco.

SouthWesterly wrote: »

Sure it does. They goto all sections of the ship.

Hmmm, not sure if serious

The only bit of this that was proper trek was the mother setting up a hollow programme for her kid and then it running for too long and collapsing in on itself.

Are we supposed to know kelpians live that long btw?
And any reason given for why the ship was breaking down? Just seemed to be taken for granted without any explanation, unless it was radiation?

The grey holo crap was terrible, like where did the computer get that idea from? And now we are going to have to sit through another season where they "cleverly" link the character "coming out" of herself or some such crap.

And why is the ship a deathtrap? Randomly vents into space is it thinks there is a fire, no breathing equipment in engineering, sure bloody Scotty and his team had breathing tubes a million years ago!

The sphere that has hundreds of thousands of years of knowledge seems like a useless piece of crap, they didn't even use the drones as scouts, they just got shot for no benefit?

Oh and it was pretty easy to restore the old computer, just switch a few bits of plastic? Piss off!

I can't even bring myself to talk about turbo lift land, you could base an entire season of that magical place, better than feckin' Narnia that place.

The hungry data drive was also excellent, such clever sci fi writing and cinematography, I mean it made zero sense and was totally illogical but who cares, right?

Vance is, like so many of the rest of them, pure paper character "oh we love you Michael, thanks for shoeing us the way!" It's a bloody cult is what it is.

The sooner the Orville is back the better, we know the characters, they are all well built, there are back stories, moral and ethical dilemmas and none of this whimpering, whispering bull**** every two mins.