General gaming discussion

Actually I'm not sure how the nemesis system would hold up in court. I mean WB being complete soulless arseholes will drag you to court but iterative works are protected by copyright and the nemesis system isnt really something that should come under patent.

Would have by now as patents are for 20 years

Oh 100% agree. No worth it at all. And then you have the patent trolls that keep going after the likes of Nintendo and Sony.

System shock remake getting incredible reviews. Not surprising, the original is a timeless classic and it looks to be very faithful.

Copyright usually covers iterative works. Which is why you don't see Nintendo suing universal for making a awful Mario style platformer like crash bandicoot. This has also been tested in court with Capcom vs data east when Capcom deemed fighters destiny too close to sf2. Data east won.

Patents are usually for new technology or inventions. There's a description of what it has to be. One of the things is innovative so must not have been used before although this usually comes down to who patented it first.

So on this case it would be the nemesis system, how it works and it's code. Since it's patented if you came up with something similar it could be deemed a patent violation.

Came out on 3DO so was one of the first 3D console games. It was mighty impressive at the time. Also have fmv and one of the first games with a licensed soundtrack of early 90s grunge with bands like Soundgarden on the soundtrack. Came out then pretty early on ps1 and Saturn.

The series got its start though on megadrive where it is more well known. Fantastic racing games there with great gameplay and music although the framerate is a bit choppy.

I hope you didn't pay launch prices for that 3DO!

Street Fighter 6 getting great reviews. This and system shock make it very hard to be saving up to pay off holidays...

The persona fighting games added it as well. It's a good option for beginners to make them feel like a pro by pulling off a button mashing combo as well as not feeling like they are cheating by picking Eddie Gordo. It doesn't lessen the depth as the combo is usually situational and not viable in pro matches as well as it not being the best in terms of DPS.

I really don't think it's pros giving out about this as they know it's a feature that doesn't affect the high level meta game. The latest samurai showdown highlights this. Loved by everyone including high level players it's probably the most accessible fighter in years. It's easy to learn, hard to master but has a gradual rewarding learning curve. Also all inputs for super moves are shared across all fighters making it even easier to learn. High level players never complained about this game.

As for why street fighter is so good, I've always found the Capcom fighting games easy enough to pick up but have a rewarding learning curve until you hit pro level when it's a bit of a brick wall to get over. The only other series that matches it is Virtua fighter but unfortunately the inferior Tekken is preferred in the west.

Tekken I find is waaaaay too complicated. It easy to button mash but if you want to take your game past that there's too much to learn and a frankly ridiculously complex blocking system. Fair play to people that can play it well but I feel Virtua fighter does everything Tekken does and better with less complexity. Mortal Kombat was always complete shite until 9 which was surprisingly competent. No experience of the later ones but they are well regarded.

My favourite though are the sink games such as king of fighters. They are a joy to watch but again the learning curve from the start is insane, they are a little too complicated.

I'm guessing you only really play Playstation? Street Fighter controls are really great but the d-pad needs to be good and Sony have never made a good d-pad. The D-pad was acceptable on the PS4 but PS1-3 they were absolutely outrageously bad. Same with Xbox. Playing these games on a SNES , Megadrive and even more so on the frankly glorious Megadrive and Saturn 6-button pads was an absolute breeze. The moves flow really well using circular motion or charge moves. As someone that used to play at a high level with a good joystick, a joystick actually takes a long time to learn and a good d-pad is much easier to use from the off.

The reason you think mortal kombat and tekken work better is that their focus of pressing directions to initiate specials works better on a rubbish d-pad like the playstation. There's a reason why no other series uses these types of inputs, the street fighter method just works better and Tekken relied on the playstation audience so needs a control scheme that works with a sucky ass d-pad. The Capcom input method also allows for better flow in combos whereas mortal kombat and tekken rely heavily on dial-a-combos and juggles.

I kind of agree MvsC3 is a very complex game, it's kind of made for a high level audience although you can still have a lot of fun button mashing. As for Tekken if you are at the button mashing level it's not complicated but if you want to take it to the next level you are dealing with multiple characters with 50+ specials that need counters, a blocking system that has high, mid and low blocking but also complicates things further with moves that combine levels of blocking like mid+low attacks. I just couldn't deal with it. It was also kind of a boring game to watch competitively although I've heard from 7 onwards it's been massively improved with it being the most popular pro fighter for a while.

As for combos in SF games from SF4 onwards they give really good tutorials on how to perform combos. However don't get sucked into trying to do fancy combos as a lot of them are for showing off and aren't really viable in a match as the frame window for input is very low. Most characters will have 'bread and butter' combos that are easy to learn and pull off consistently and do good damage. There's really no reason to get complicated when a good 3-4 hit will give you consistent damage, and even the pros won't attempt anything too fancy unless they need big damage. Again SF tutorials are good at highlighting these.

Again though, there's no need to play these at a high level if you have people you can play with locally. I think if you got into a good capcom fighter you'll see why it's regarded as much better than the likes of mortal kombat (again old MK, I hear the new ones are good as well as the latest Tekkens).