Homophobic attack on London bus - mod warning, please see OP

The utter hypocrisy in this thread is astounding. While not calling out the OP for " Why do some men get upset, angry and offended at gay people existing", they also attack other posters for querying more descriptors of the attackers. I suppose its ok to attack an entire half of the population if they are men.

Interesting that the gender of the attackers was also revealed and no one had a problem with that.
Here is a news report from the Limerick Leader of 1 week ago where 4 girls attacked another girl. Where is the thread about this or is it also somehow the patriarchy's fault.

Were I to write a thread along the lines of OP's based on this story, it would read "Why do some women get upset, angry and offended at other women existing", you can see the hypocrisy in not calling the OP out.

Nobelium wrote: »

You think it's rare and special ? off you go this time and provide the stats

I’m making no assumptions. And made no claims, unlike your good self. The onus isn’t on me here, I’m sorry to tell you.The absolute crime stats are above but neither linked article mentions public transport. You claimed that more serious crimes are happening on public transport “every day of the week”. The absolute cheek of you to ask me to back up your claim. If you don’t have stats to back up that point, just concede.

Kimsang wrote: »

The utter hypocrisy in this thread is astounding. While not calling out the OP for " Why do some men get upset, angry and offended at gay people existing", they also attack other posters for querying more descriptors of the attackers. I suppose its ok to attack an entire half of the population if they are men.

Interesting that the gender of the attackers was also revealed and no one had a problem with that.
Here is a news report from the Limerick Leader of 1 week ago where 4 girls attacked another girl. Where is the thread about this or is it also somehow the patriarchy's fault.

Were I to write a thread along the lines of OP's based on this story, it would read "Why do some women get upset, angry and offended at other women existing", you can see the hypocrisy in not calling the OP out.

Of course it's not ok to attack the male population - who suggested that? The word "some" was even used. And of course the Limerick attack isn't the fault of "the patriarchy". Strange lot of putting words in people's mouths. The sex of attackers is always mentioned.

How come you didn't start a thread about the Limerick attack?

Assetbacked wrote: »

You've made an assumption it wasnt a group of gays. I'm sorry, but you don't know this. As such, your following points are invalid and you appear to find it blinding to your train of thought to see that people aren't just seeing this incident solely as "homophobic attack on two lesbians by men" but discussing the incident.

If you want a little echo chamber, go to Twitter and block those who upset you like a good poster.

How likely do you think it is that they're a group of gay guys?

Avalynn Skinny Shepherdess wrote: »

Of course it's not ok to attack the male population - who suggested that? The word "some" was even used. And of course the Limerick attack isn't the fault of "the patriarchy". Strange lot of putting words in people's mouths. The sex of attackers is always mentioned.

How come you didn't start a thread about the Limerick attack?

I didn't deem it newsworthy as people are attacked all the time. Even by the Limerick Leader standards it didn't get much of a write up; because it can't be politicized.

I genuinely fear when I see good reasonable people such as yourself not see the blindingly obvious attack on men here. Were I to say some women are 'insert your favourite stereotype' I would be lambasted and rightly so. Its stereotyping and it leads to racism and sexism.

How about if I were to start a thread about a terrorist attack and start with "Why do some muslims get upset at other people existing" It would quite rightly be seen as an attack on muslims. Instead people usually affirm how much of a religion of peace it is. The equivalent in this news story would be to affirm how peaceful men are, after an individual man attacks someone.

wiggle16 wrote: »

After Hours now seems to exist in this paradoxical wedge of the universe where the Gay Agenda and/or Jews are in control of the media and have a monopoly on power but at the very same time Islam is always just about to become the official religion of Europe.

It's like it has it's own five-second-rule: some of you will pick up and swallow any old right-wing BS as long as you don't have to think about it for any longer than that.

It would be funny if it wasn't so f*cking sad.

I don't know why you bring this up, but in real terms there are 1.8billion adherents to islam. In comparison there are 15million jews worldwide.

I myself am an atheist, but I always admired the jewish appreciation of eduacation. Maybe that could explain why they have proportionally far more nobel prizes than anyone else, or I guess you could claim conspiracy...

"Nobel Prizes have been awarded to over 900 individuals, of whom at least 20% were Jews, although the Jewish population comprises less than 0.2% of the world's population."

alchemist33 wrote: »

You'd think a 25 page (on mobile) thread on an assault would mostly be about comoassion for the victims or condemnation of the perpetrators, but no. It was driven first by people assuming the scumbags were black or muslim (maybe they are, maybe they aren't) and now by whataboutery. There probably are other victims worse off this weekend, but the incessant questioning of why this made news, rather than sympathy being expressed for the victims, is disturbing.

This and the Aoife Dooley thread have been depressing and illuminating in equal measure.

I really hope the people lacking in compassion on these threads never find themselves in a situation where compassion from others would be welcome. The staggering inability to empathise of some is wearying. And those playing devil’s advocate are worse again.

Nobelium wrote: »

whereas back in reality, what's actually disturbing is there's far worse crimes committed everyday, yet where is the sympathy and outcry for these victims and the international headlines ?

It’s almost as if people can care about more than one thing at once. What, we can’t feel sad at somebody being, say, mugged but relatively uninjured because somebody else was murdered? I think this story gained traction because of the visceral photo accompanying it. The power of photography, confronting people with the reality of so-called minor crimes. Everyone knows murder is heinous. The crime on these women would be much easier to brush off without photographic evidence despite being a potentially very traumatic experience with future consequences. But ‘whatabout’, amiright?

I know a man who suffered an unprovoked assault which was similar in severity a few years ago. He is still suffering because of it today with a niggling injury and psychological effects. I’m bloody glad to see an assault like this highlighted. And I’d be as horrified if it was an assaulted man in the news reports. I know this because I felt horrified when I heard about that man’s assault.

But yeah because of murders and rapes, why give a fück about assaults, right?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

It’s almost as if people can care about more than one thing at once. What, we can’t feel sad at somebody being, say, mugged but relatively uninjured because somebody else was murdered? I think this story gained traction because of the visceral photo accompanying it. The power of photography, confronting people with the reality of so-called minor crimes. Everyone knows murder is heinous. The crime on these women would be much easier to brush off without photographic evidence despite being a potentially very traumatic experience with future consequences. But ‘whatabout’, amiright?

I know a man who suffered an unprovoked assault which was similar in severity a few years ago. He is still suffering because of it today with a niggling injury and psychological effects. I’m bloody glad to see an assault like this highlighted. And I’d be as horrified if it was an assaulted man in the news reports. I know this because I felt horrified when I heard about that man’s assault.

But yeah because of murders and rapes, why give a fück about assaults, right?

Its almost as though some people think people care only if they say they care. For an attack like this; it goes without saying that people's hearts go out to the victims, and i'm sure anyone in this thread would help in anyway possible if they saw something taking place. But expressing condolences on a message board is not one bit of help to anyone, except the person expressing the virtue signal or the people that 'like' or 'thank'.

The sentiment from the 'other side' is that there isn't enough time in the day to express condolences about such stories, and instead it would be better served finding out details and preventing future attacks. Trends are appearing in regards to crime, and we all need to wake up and realize this. These are worrying times.

There is a trend for the media to report stories like this because they are easily politicized. Person was attacked BECAUSE of their (insert identity). When in fact any use of identity language involved in an attack, it immediately becomes BECAUSE. Because is nearly impossible to prove but everyone jumps on the because bandwagon so easily.

Person was attacked because they are gay
Person was attacked because they are black
etc...

Its worrying the things we are actually conflating with hate crimes. it demeans the true nature of hate crimes like the holocaust or the lynchings in the American Deep South.

The inclusion of hateful language in an attack(which comes in some form in nearly every attack of this nature) should not automatically mean the attack was BECAUSE of that identity that was mocked.
If a man was attacked; which according to any government statistics is way more probably than if you were a woman, the attackers might make fun of his funny hair, or his eye brows, or he might be skinny or whatever. It doesn't necessarily mean the attack was because of this certain characteristic.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I used no slurs or insults when talking about men who commit violent crimes. You did in that sentence. So, not the same thing at all. You could just as easily have said "some women are violent and nag their partners" and you wouldn't be accused of misogyny. But you know that of course..

I'm sorry but labeling at entire group as 'offended that gay people exist' is worse than any remark about how sexually active a person is or not. That is en par with actual Nazis that were offended that gay people exist. Its basically saying why are some men as bad as nazis.

Why are some women nagging, obsessive, compulsive and tiresome?
Why do some women hate jews?
Why do some women laugh when other women cut off their husbands genitals?
Why do some women restrict access to the children of their father out of spite?Do you see any threads of this nature going up, and how long do you think they would last?

I hope you can see why using the word some is not a magical fix all when stereotyping an entire gender.

Anteayer wrote: »

Two women were beaten up on a bus and sexually assaulted while basically minding their own business and you've somehow turned this into some weird conspiracy theory about LGBT propaganda?!

That's an unbelievably twisted comment to make.

There is nothing about them being sexually assaulted. Also we have no idea whether they were minding their own business or not, or whether they could have initiated contact, who knows???

If you got off your high horse you might realize the sentiment being made is how the media and we react to stories like this. You indeed prove his 2) point you have already taken it as gospel that they were minding their own business.

I guess it is to be expected in our current climate that all women be believed.

I believe this polarizing topic is what makes the Jussie Smollett case so interesting to so many people.

Kimsang wrote: »

Its almost as though some people think people care only if they say they care. For an attack like this; it goes without saying that people's hearts go out to the victims, and i'm sure anyone in this thread would help in anyway possible if they saw something taking place. But expressing condolences on a message board is not one bit of help to anyone, except the person expressing the virtue signal or the people that 'like' or 'thank'.

The sentiment from the 'other side' is that there isn't enough time in the day to express condolences about such stories, and instead it would be better served finding out details and preventing future attacks. Trends are appearing in regards to crime, and we all need to wake up and realize this. These are worrying times.

There is a trend for the media to report stories like this because they are easily politicized. Person was attacked BECAUSE of their (insert identity). When in fact any use of identity language involved in an attack, it immediately becomes BECAUSE. Because is nearly impossible to prove but everyone jumps on the because bandwagon so easily.

Person was attacked because they are gay
Person was attacked because they are black
etc...

Its worrying the things we are actually conflating with hate crimes. it demeans the true nature of hate crimes like the holocaust or the lynchings in the American Deep South.

The inclusion of hateful language in an attack(which comes in some form in nearly every attack of this nature) should not automatically mean the attack was BECAUSE of that identity that was mocked.
If a man was attacked; which according to any government statistics is way more probably than if you were a woman, the attackers might make fun of his funny hair, or his eye brows, or he might be skinny or whatever. It doesn't necessarily mean the attack was because of this certain characteristic.

If that sentence was any more tortured, it would need its own news report. O_o The intent was obviously partially mimic the first sentence of my post but doing so inflicted numerous owies on the English language.

Wow! This is really plumbing the depths.

I think it's time to just give up on After Hours. It seems to be headed for the same cesspool as YouTube comments and aspects of Twitter.

No longer posting on this forum.

Heckler wrote: »

How dare I ? What do you want ? Duelling pistols at dawn ? I dare because you're full of ****e.

You seem not only to be rude, but lacking the intelligence to understand nuance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYkbqzWVHZI

Heckler wrote: »

Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?



Bit of that going on.

It was funny when breakfasts said it, but your ad hominem attacks are coming across as spiteful, ill -considered, ill-informed and moronic.

Heckler wrote: »

Sorry Kimsang. I feel bad now. I apologise. I'm really, really sorry. Last thing I want to do is antagonise anyone on the internet. Especially a Boards member. Please accept my heartfelt apology. The internet is full of hateful people trying to put others and their opinions down. You have shown me the light. Disconnecting my internets now and going to live a better life. Hugs and kisses Kimsang. Thank you for making me realise my spiteful ways. Bless.

Enter a discussion by putting words into my mouth, proceed to attack me with unoriginal ad hominems, then apologize in a sarcastic tone. You need your head checked. You are what is wrong with society.

Nobelium wrote: »

why are some victims more important than others ?

The thing is, I suspect if this attack was by a group you didn't like, you would be totally up in arms... I do think it's newsworthy btw, to still have homophobic attacks being perpetrated in the year 2019 is a pretty horrendous thing and it highlights that the LGBTQ community still unfortunately have reasons to be fearful.