Garda shoots dog in Longford

Reati · 04-12-2018 12:29pm

Let's be honest, the Garda knew he was being video'd. He wouldn't have pulled the gun out and pulled the trigger for the craic. He clearly felt threatened.

Anyway, I was having a bad morning here int he Office but that video really cheered me up. Good on the Garda for his actions. Pity he shot for the foot. The women screaming didn't seem too scared of him given her ability to keep videoing and screaming "he shot me husband". Husband wasn't making too much noise for a man just shot either.

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 12:33pm

Reati wrote: »

Husband wasn't making too much noise for a man just shot either.

Probably on the phone to his solicitor.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 04-12-2018 12:33pm

Sky King wrote: »

I know I had the exact same thought. I'd say if you even walked towards (let alone touched) a US cop with a drawn firearm he would put you down without thinking twice, and that would be the end of it.

but do we want the American style of "justice" here?
a lot of these keyboard warriors here will say "heck yea!", but they'll be the first ones to (rightly) cry foul when an American cop shoots some black kid for being in the wrong neighborhood.

cloudy90210 · 04-12-2018 12:33pm

Paschal Sheehy now going live on RTE One News at 1pm to Margaret Cash from the Gresham Hotel where her and her 194 kids are staying for Christmas.

"Margaret is the another example of brutality against the Traveller community?"

"Yes Paschal it's worse than Syria here. Just look at the poor man trying to engage with the driver. The Garda had his gun drawn so he was obviously looking to use it. I'm off to Penney's now to do more shoppin"

gwalk · 04-12-2018 12:33pm

Frances Icy Inch wrote: »

Or since Paddy Casey they have just started to call travellers dogs

you mean they're not Saints or Sinners

tuxy · 04-12-2018 12:33pm

Reati wrote: »

Let's be honest, the Garda knew he was being video'd. He wouldn't have pulled the gun out and pulled the trigger for the craic. He clearly felt threatened.

Anyway, I was having a bad morning here int he Office but that video really cheered me up. Good on the Garda for his actions. Pity he shot for the foot. The women screaming didn't seem too scared of him given her ability to keep videoing and screaming "he shot me husband". Husband wasn't making too much noise for a man just shot either.

Seems like it when through a dog hit the ground then bounced and hit the traveller. Would have taken most the power out of the shot. As said knowing this country there will be a big cash settlement.

nim1bdeh38l2cw · 04-12-2018 12:33pm

That woman has some set of lungs

tuxy · 04-12-2018 12:34pm

cloudy90210 wrote: »

Can't wait to hear what Margaret Cash has to say on the matter..........

Wait no longer

https://gyazo.com/c7943ba3efea113d521ec836bdb8e1da

The Crowman · 04-12-2018 12:35pm

Looking at that uploaders other videos I think its safe to say they might be kind of biased against the forces of law and order. I'd take their description of the background story to this with a pinch of salt.

cloudy90210 · 04-12-2018 12:36pm

The Crowman wrote: »

Looking at that uploaders other videos I think its safe to say they might be kind of biased against the forces of law and order. I'd take their description of the background story to this with a pinch of salt.

that would be a waste of salt imo.

lawred2 · 04-12-2018 12:37pm

tuxy wrote: »

Wait no longer

https://gyazo.com/c7943ba3efea113d521ec836bdb8e1da

would presume not working for the rest of your life was seen as a good thing for the likes of Cash - bit of a mixed message

Wheres Me Jumper? · 04-12-2018 12:37pm

Sergio Orange Balm wrote: »

That woman has some set of lungs

that's actually euphoria. she was excited thinking of her compo claim.

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 12:38pm

tuxy wrote: »

Wait no longer

https://gyazo.com/c7943ba3efea113d521ec836bdb8e1da

Good to see she's as articulate, insightful, and balanced as ever.

Subcomandante Marcos · 04-12-2018 12:38pm

Has nobody else pointed out that the Gardai shouldn't have been there?
He wasn't on official business, he should not have had a gun to draw. He was there to "help a mate" who was in dispute with the person shot over a repair bill. There are legal routes available to the winner of the van if the feels he is being over charged or taken advantage of.
Imagine if a Gardai showed up to a ford dealers because their mate was in dispute of the bill and pulled a gun when they refused to let him.drive away in the van?

The usual right wing booklickers in here jumping to idiocy like "more Gardai shooting people would be a good thing" with their fake support for the "rule of law" being used like a bikini of a fat bird trying to cover their blatant bigotry.

The Gardai should be imprisoned.

Sky King · 04-12-2018 12:39pm

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

but do we want the American style of "justice" here?.

No but I would like to live in a society with the kind of people who obey what the fck they are being told when a cop with a gun gives them an instruction.

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 12:39pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Has nobody else pointed out that the Gardai shouldn't have been there?
He wasn't on official business, he should not have had a gun to draw. He was there to "help a mate" who was in dispute with the person shot over a repair bill. There are legal routes available to the winner of the van if the feels he is being over charged or taken advantage of.
Imagine if a Gardai showed up to a ford dealers because their mate was in dispute of the bill and pulled a gun when they refused to let him.drive away in the van?

The usual right wing booklickers in here jumping to idiocy like "not Gardai shooting people would be a good thing" with their fake support for the "rule of law" being used like a bikini of a fat bird trying to cover their blatant bigotry.

The Gardai should be imprisoned.

How do you know?

lawred2 · 04-12-2018 12:40pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Has nobody else pointed out that the Gardai shouldn't have been there?
He wasn't on official business, he should not have had a gun to draw. He was there to "help a mate" who was in dispute with the person shot over a repair bill. There are legal routes available to the winner of the van if the feels he is being over charged or taken advantage of.
Imagine if a Gardai showed up to a ford dealers because their mate was in dispute of the bill and pulled a gun when they refused to let him.drive away in the van?

The usual right wing booklickers in here jumping to idiocy like "not Gardai shooting people would be a good thing" with their fake support for the "rule of law" being used like a bikini of a fat bird trying to cover their blatant bigotry.

The Gardai should be imprisoned.

tuxy · 04-12-2018 12:40pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Has nobody else pointed out that the Gardai shouldn't have been there?

It's been speculated on a few times now. No info from a reliable new source yet unfortunately.

Plumbthedepths · 04-12-2018 12:40pm

tuxy wrote:

Wait no longer

So she hopes he never works another day in his life... So she wants him to be like her. Curious.

Plumbthedepths · 04-12-2018 12:41pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote:

Has nobody else pointed out that the Gardai shouldn't have been there? He wasn't on official business, he should not have had a gun to draw. He was there to "help a mate" who was in dispute with the person shot over a repair bill. There are legal routes available to the winner of the van if the feels he is being over charged or taken advantage of. Imagine if a Gardai showed up to a ford dealers because their mate was in dispute of the bill and pulled a gun when they refused to let him.drive away in the van?

You basing your extensive knowledge of the situation on a piece from Broadsheet? That's cute.

punisher5112 · 04-12-2018 12:41pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Has nobody else pointed out that the Gardai shouldn't have been there?
He wasn't on official business, he should not have had a gun to draw. He was there to "help a mate" who was in dispute with the person shot over a repair bill. There are legal routes available to the winner of the van if the feels he is being over charged or taken advantage of.
Imagine if a Gardai showed up to a ford dealers because their mate was in dispute of the bill and pulled a gun when they refused to let him.drive away in the van?

The usual right wing booklickers in here jumping to idiocy like "not Gardai shooting people would be a good thing" with their fake support for the "rule of law" being used like a bikini of a fat bird trying to cover their blatant bigotry.

The Gardai should be imprisoned.

Answer me this....

Is it a public road or is it a private yard.....

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 12:42pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So she hopes he never works another day in his life... So she wants him to be like her. Curious.

Her take-home pay is probably higher than his.

Subcomandante Marcos · 04-12-2018 12:42pm

Gravelly wrote: »

How do you know?

Because if he was he wouldn't have been alone with his friend. He would have arrived with a squad car and uniformed officers. It's a civil dispute, the Gardai have no legal basis to get involved in this manner.
There are legal avenues to go down, arriving with your mate who's a Gardai isn't one of them.

cloudy90210 · 04-12-2018 12:42pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Has nobody else pointed out that the Gardai shouldn't have been there?
He wasn't on official business, he should not have had a gun to draw. He was there to "help a mate" who was in dispute with the person shot over a repair bill. There are legal routes available to the winner of the van if the feels he is being over charged or taken advantage of.
Imagine if a Gardai showed up to a ford dealers because their mate was in dispute of the bill and pulled a gun when they refused to let him.drive away in the van?

The usual right wing booklickers in here jumping to idiocy like "not Gardai shooting people would be a good thing" with their fake support for the "rule of law" being used like a bikini of a fat bird trying to cover their blatant bigotry.

The Gardai should be imprisoned.

the garda should get a parade down O'Connell street with Miggeldy Higgins giving him the Victoria Cross for services to the Irish Republic imo.

Snowflakes like you need imprisoning

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 12:43pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Because if he was he wouldn't have been alone with his friend. He would have arrived with a squad car and uniformed officers. It's a civil dispute, the Gardai have no legal basis to get involved in this manner.
There are legal avenues to go down, arriving with your mate who's a Gardai isn't one of them.

The Gardaí have no right to intervene when someone is being assaulted? Since when?

punisher5112 · 04-12-2018 12:44pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Because if he was he wouldn't have been alone with his friend. He would have arrived with a squad car and uniformed officers. It's a civil dispute, the Gardai have no legal basis to get involved in this manner.
There are legal avenues to go down, arriving with your mate who's a Gardai isn't one of them.

Where in law does this state so.

If a vehicle has been taken then it's theft.

Dial Hard · 04-12-2018 12:44pm

Has this actually been corroborated anywhere? GSOC are saying that they have no information about the dog being killed, despite the reports. The Irish Times aren't carrying the story at all. It's all a bit strange.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 04-12-2018 12:45pm

Sky King wrote: »

No but I would like to live in a society with the kind of people who obey what the fck they are being told when a cop with a gun gives them an instruction.

agreed. but we need a proper balance.
the typical right-winger's knee-jerk reaction is to cite how wonderful the USA is.
most sensible people know the States has gotten it so wrong when it comes to law enforcement.
i wouldn't be in any hurry to copy their model.

lawred2 · 04-12-2018 12:45pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Because if he was he wouldn't have been alone with his friend. He would have arrived with a squad car and uniformed officers. It's a civil dispute, the Gardai have no legal basis to get involved in this manner.
There are legal avenues to go down, arriving with your mate who's a Gardai isn't one of them.

you clearly have no understanding of the law

civil law does not extend to assault or carrying deadly weapons

Subcomandante Marcos · 04-12-2018 12:46pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Where in law does this state so.

If a vehicle has been taken then it's theft.

The vehicle wasn't taken, it was left with then for repair, and the repair bill was being disputed.

Skylinehead · 04-12-2018 12:46pm

Red_Wake wrote: »

Give that guard a medal and an Uzi.

cloudy90210 · 04-12-2018 12:46pm

The travellers were filming it to gain publicity and to get on to RTE where Claire Byrne will have an in depth discussion hopefully with Peter Casey involved vs Pavee Point. RTE will be creaming themselves at the thought of this.

Squatter · 04-12-2018 12:46pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Has nobody else pointed out that the Gardai shouldn't have been there?
He wasn't on official business, he should not have had a gun to draw. He was there to "help a mate" who was in dispute with the person shot over a repair bill.

The Gardai should be imprisoned. (I assume that he means "garda" but we'll give him a fool's pass on that one)

Quick - someone call the GSOC and tell them to cancel the investigation! It's not needed because Mensa man Marcos has done their work for them!

And no need for a court trial either - Marcos has also considered all of the evidence, found the garda guilty and sentenced him to ten years in jail!

seamus · 04-12-2018 12:47pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Has nobody else pointed out that the Gardai shouldn't have been there?

How do you know he shouldn't?

The only suggestion so far that this is the case, is an unverifiable claim from an unnamed source.

In any case, Gardai are entitled, just as any private citizen is, to help out a mate in such circumstances. As members of the force, they retain their powers when on or off-duty, and armed members may use their weapon if necessary, whether on-duty or off-duty. "Please don't shoot! I can't shoot back, I'm off-duty!".

Allinall · 04-12-2018 12:47pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

The vehicle wasn't taken, it was left with then for repair, and the repair bill was being disputed.

How do you know this?

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 12:48pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

The vehicle wasn't taken, it was left with then for repair, and the repair bill was being disputed.

Yes, someone left a van with a traveller criminal gang for repair, and the video shows them having a discussion about the bill.

Sounds legit.

cloudy90210 · 04-12-2018 12:48pm

Has anyone pointed out that the Travellers shouldn't have been assaulting the driver in the van?

Subcomandante Marcos · 04-12-2018 12:48pm

lawred2 wrote: »

you clearly have no understanding of the law

civil law does not extend to assault or carrying deadly weapons

The Garda had no basis to be there in the first place. He was actibg of his own accord, not in his duties as a Gardai and as such should not have had his side arm to draw.

You can't just show up with your mate and use "I'm a gadra" to try and end disputes. That's not how the legal system works. Thankfully.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 04-12-2018 12:49pm

cloudy90210 wrote: »

The travellers were filming it to gain publicity and to get on to RTE where Claire Byrne will have an in depth discussion hopefully with Peter Casey involved vs Pavee Point. RTE will be creaming themselves at the thought of this.

the idea of Claire creamin herself .....

oh sorry got distracted there.

Yes we need a good exposé Claire.

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 12:49pm

cloudy90210 wrote: »

Has anyone pointed out that the Travellers shouldn't have been assaulting the driver in the van?

I did a couple of posts ago, but apparently they weren't assaulting him, they were merely discussing an invoice with him.

Plumbthedepths · 04-12-2018 12:50pm

Squatter wrote:

And no need for a court trial either - Marcos has also considered all of the evidence, found the garda guilty and sentenced to ten years in jail!

How much compensation for the dag and I assume the lad that was shotted will be off work for several months. He'll need a few bob to, not forgetting Mrs Speilberg she is traumatized and I assume so is her unborn babba.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 04-12-2018 12:50pm

cloudy90210 wrote: »

Has anyone pointed out that the Travellers shouldn't have been assaulting the driver in the van?

why do you insist on suppressing their culture!

Feisar · 04-12-2018 12:50pm

A couple of comments.

Garda should have had a clip on tie.

Pull out a gun, next natural step is pull the trigger.

Captain Obvious · 04-12-2018 12:50pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Because if he was he wouldn't have been alone with his friend. He would have arrived with a squad car and uniformed officers. It's a civil dispute, the Gardai have no legal basis to get involved in this manner.

Gardaí often respond to calls alone.

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 12:51pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

The Garda had no basis to be there in the first place. He was actibg of his own accord, not in his duties as a Gardai and as such should not have had his side arm to draw.

Again, how do you know?

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

You can't just show up with your mate and use "I'm a gadra" to try and end disputes. That's not how the legal system works. Thankfully.

Telling someone "I'm a gadra" would just confuse them I'd imagine.

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 12:51pm

Gravelly wrote: »

I did a couple of posts ago, but apparently they weren't assaulting him, they were merely discussing an invoice with him.

it certainly looks like they were about to assault the driver.

The_Kew_Tour · 04-12-2018 12:51pm

The Guard should get a Medal.

Christ she is one loud woman too. Any reports of earthquake after she set off?

Plumbthedepths · 04-12-2018 12:51pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote:

The Garda had no basis to be there in the first place. He was actibg of his own accord, not in his duties as a Gardai and as such should not have had his side arm to draw.

RTE news is carrying an article that contradicts your claim.

FTA69 · 04-12-2018 12:52pm

I honestly think we need to wait for more information and see what comes out of it, there’s a load of speculation going on but we don’t know what the craic is at all. Was there a dog? Was the cop actually on Garda business or was he some header who brought a gun along to a private civil dispute etc?

Too many what ifs really.

Sky King · 04-12-2018 12:53pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

RTE news is carrying an article that contradicts your claim.

RTE also saying it's a shotgun injury that gets yer man in the leg

Garda shoots dog in Longford

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