Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

Boggles · 02-07-2019 12:38pm

Venom wrote: »

Yes, he is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo

Ngo writes and is an editor for Quillette. Claiming the guy is not a journalist is just absurd.

Quillette??? :pac:

Boggles · 02-07-2019 12:40pm

SexBobomb wrote: »

Why does him not being a journalist make him an acceptable target ?

At least we agree he isn't a journalist, he isn't, this wasn't an attack on the "Freedom of Screech".

But who said he was an acceptable target?

Boxing.Fan · 02-07-2019 12:42pm

The hypocrisy here is quite something...

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 02-07-2019 12:44pm

Boggles wrote: »

Quillette??? :pac:

What does it take to be a journalist in your book? Like where would he have to be employed?

Venom · 02-07-2019 12:44pm

Boggles wrote: »

Quillette???

He also wrote for the Wall Street Journal and National Review and other news outlets, but yeah he's just some random dude and not a journalist

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 02-07-2019 12:45pm

Boggles wrote: »

At least we agree he isn't a journalist, he isn't, this wasn't an attack on the "Freedom of Screech".

But who said he was an acceptable target?

You’re clearly defending Antifa here. If you have condemned that attack I’ve yet to see it.

Boggles · 02-07-2019 12:47pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

You’re clearly defending Antifa here.

Clearly?

Grand link where I clearly defended Antifa.

In your own time, good lad.

Venom · 02-07-2019 12:47pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

What does it take to be a journalist in your book? Like where would he have to be employed?

Probably somewhere like Vox!

Will I Am Not · 02-07-2019 12:48pm

Boggles wrote: »

Quillette??? :pac:

If he makes a living writing and editing for Quilette then he’s a journalist, regardless of what you think about the outlet. It’s like saying saying James McClean isn’t a football player because he’s not that good and only playing for Stoke.

Boggles · 02-07-2019 12:49pm

Venom wrote: »

Probably somewhere like Vox!

I have no idea what Vox is?

Little creepy shít on Twitter pretending to be a journalist whilst grifting for donations??

SexBobomb · 02-07-2019 12:59pm

Boggles wrote: »

At least we agree he isn't a journalist, he isn't, this wasn't an attack on the "Freedom of Screech".

But who said he was an acceptable target?

I don't agree with you that he's not a journalist I'm trying to indulge you to try and follow the "logic" that its ok to attack him because "he's not a journalist" as you say. And you still haven't answered why he wold be an acceptable target if he's just a guy on the street ?

Boggles · 02-07-2019 1:02pm

Boggles wrote: »

But who said he was an acceptable target?

SexBobomb wrote: »

Why does him not being a journalist make him an acceptable target ?

SexBobomb wrote: »

I don't agree with you that he's not a journalist I'm trying to indulge you to try and follow the "logic" that its ok to attack him because "he's not a journalist" as you say. And you still haven't answered why he wold be an acceptable target if he's just a guy on the street ?

I did, I answered with a question because it made no sense.

Here it is again.

Boggles wrote: »

But who said he was an acceptable target?

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 02-07-2019 1:08pm

Boggles wrote: »

Clearly?

Grand link where I clearly defended Antifa.

In your own time, good lad.

In your own time please present me with any posts where you condemned the attack.

By the way defending an attack doesn’t need so many words.

He’s not a journalist is the same as

[the attack was justified because] he’s not a journalist.

Else why bring it up.

Same with

[the attack was justified because] he’s a white supramicist.

Or has doxxed people. Or whatever you’d said that didn’t involve criticism of the attack.

klaaaz · 02-07-2019 1:13pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Although many of those beating him up probably were both and certainly all were white.

You're desperately trying to link this incident to be a race attack when it wasn't. Portland is a majority white city hence most of the local counter protesters would be white with a few blacks and Asians amongst their ranks.

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Race is important here because white people beating up on Asians should be frowned on by most people on the left. You’d think.

Tell that to the defenders of the far right here.

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

These accusations of him being far right or indeed of doxxing are to my mind unfounded.

The Portland mayor needs to get his act together on these demonstrations.

Then why does an conservative alt-right agitator find himself filming in your face in the middle of the counter protesters to the Proud boys?

Never seen him filming the Proud Boys at all.

Boggles · 02-07-2019 1:17pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

In your own time please present me with any posts where you condemned the attack.

You made the claim, back it up. I can't conjure your fiction for you.

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

You’re clearly defending Antifa here.

Hurry up, if it is clear you should have no problem.

Walter Bishop · 02-07-2019 1:17pm

Meanwhile far-right extremists killed at least 50 people in the US in 2018 whereas Antifa killed, I think it's 0, but I stand to be corrected on that.

Boxing.Fan · 02-07-2019 1:19pm

Walter Bishop wrote: »

Meanwhile far-right extremists killed at least 50 people in the US in 2018 whereas Antifa killed, I think it's 0, but I stand to be corrected on that.

Go make a thread about it instead of engaging in whataboutery.

Walter Bishop · 02-07-2019 1:21pm

Boxing.Fan wrote: »

Go make a thread about it instead of engaging in whataboutery.

Nope, because all we're hearing here is how the far left Antifa are the scum of the earth for attacking this guy, with a good few of the main right-wing wingnut posters in here giving out about it, and you're trying to speak as if your lot are blameless?

Forget it, there is little to no equivalency between them so if you think we're going to listen to the likes of you pontificate about how these guys must be Nazis you can take a look at what's going on by your fellow travellers too.

Boxing.Fan · 02-07-2019 1:23pm

Walter Bishop wrote: »

Nope, because all we're hearing here is how the far left Antifa are the scum of the earth for attacking this guy, with a good few of the main right-wing wingnut posters in here giving out about it, and you're trying to speak as if your lot are blameless?

Forget it, there is little to no equivalency between them so if you think we're going to listen to the likes of you pontificate about how these guys must be Nazis you can take a look at what's going on by your fellow travellers too.

It's ok to say both far left and far right are scum though... this thread is about the far left (antifa)

And what are you talking about travellers for I dont know what you mean?

Walter Bishop · 02-07-2019 1:25pm

Your 'fellow travellers' - other right wing ideologues that are like you.

Will I Am Not · 02-07-2019 1:26pm

Calling antifa scum does not equate to defending far right. Some people are so entrenched in the “pick a side” narrative they are incapable of thinking for themselves.

02-07-2019 1:27pm

Boxing.Fan wrote: »

Social outcasts banded together. Just look at them. Have you ever seen such a bunch of losers in your life?

And get to feel tough and part of something for the first time in their lives.

Boxing.Fan · 02-07-2019 1:27pm

Walter Bishop wrote: »

Your 'fellow travellers' - other right wing ideologues that are like you.

What's wrong with being right wing or left wing?

Boxing.Fan · 02-07-2019 1:29pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And get to feel tough and part of something for the first time in their lives.

I firmly believe its stems from being bullied at an early age. They certainly look the type that would have been bullied. Payback time eh lol

James Brown · 02-07-2019 1:29pm

Any violence is abhorrent, thankfully Anti-fa don't have the praise of the US President.

Boxing.Fan · 02-07-2019 1:32pm

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Calling antifa scum does not equate to defending far right. Some people are so entrenched in the “pick a side” narrative they are incapable of thinking for themselves.

Anyone that doesnt subscribe to the far left warped idealogy is a far right thug.

klaaaz · 02-07-2019 1:33pm

Portland is the city where a far right supporter tried to attack a Muslim woman and a young black girl on the train. Two ordinary people who stood up to the far right supporter were stabbed to death. So the far right would not be welcome in their city by all people.

Boxing.Fan · 02-07-2019 1:35pm

klaaaz wrote: »

Portland is the city where a far right supporter tried to attack a Muslim woman and a young black girl on the train. Two ordinary people who stood up to the far right supporter were stabbed to death. So the far right would not be welcome in their city by all people.

Cool story bro, throw a link up there so we can have a gander.

notobtuse · 02-07-2019 1:40pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

His WSJ article was rubbish to be fair. In any case he’s a citizen journalist if nothing else.

Au contraire...

https://twitter.com/clairlemon/status/1145439728801476608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1145439728801476608&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonexaminer.com%2Fnews%2Fquillette-founder-roasts-fact-checker-snopes-for-casting-doubt-on-andy-ngos-credentials

peddlelies · 02-07-2019 1:43pm

These scum are vicious, it's not just punches being thrown. The day of the incident, they smacked innocent people in the head with crowbars which imo, isn't far off attempted murder.

Walter Bishop · 02-07-2019 1:44pm

Boxing.Fan wrote: »

Cool story bro, throw a link up there so we can have a gander.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Portland_train_attack

Boxing.Fan · 02-07-2019 1:45pm

Walter Bishop wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Portland_train_attack

A news article would be better. I'm not reading a wiki page.

Boxing.Fan · 02-07-2019 1:46pm

peddlelies wrote: »

These scum are vicious, it's not just punches being thrown. The day of the incident, they smacked innocent people in the head with crowbars which imo, isn't far off attempted murder.

BUT THE FAR RIGHT!!!!! WHITE SUPREMACISTS!!! NAZIS!!!!!

Walter Bishop · 02-07-2019 1:48pm

Boxing.Fan wrote: »

A news article would be better. I'm not reading a wiki page.

Lol.

There are 71 references at the bottom.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/portland-fatal-stabbings-point-rise-hate-speech-civil/story?id=47680789

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/31/portland-white-supremacy-racism-train-stabbing-murder

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-muslims-portland-idUSKBN18Q11F

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2017/05/portland_suspect_in_2_slayings.html

James Brown · 02-07-2019 1:49pm

Boxing.Fan wrote: »

BUT THE FAR RIGHT!!!!! WHITE SUPREMACISTS!!! NAZIS!!!!!

What's your point, one balances out the other? 'You know what, them Nazis aren't so bad after all'?

Boxing.Fan · 02-07-2019 1:50pm

Walter Bishop wrote: »

Lol.

There are 71 references at the bottom.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/portland-fatal-stabbings-point-rise-hate-speech-civil/story?id=47680789

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/31/portland-white-supremacy-racism-train-stabbing-murder

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-muslims-portland-idUSKBN18Q11F

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2017/05/portland_suspect_in_2_slayings.html

Jaysus, that's terrible. I condemn any violence from the right or left. No one should be assaulted because of their political beliefs.

Calhoun · 02-07-2019 1:54pm

That tweet from Ricky Gervais is so on point, for liberals who say words can hurt actually engaged in physical violence its crazy.

They will go to far at some stage and will be outlawed like other groups just a matter of when. For now though they are doing damage to the side they represent and is partially why i believe they are allowed still exist.

peddlelies · 02-07-2019 1:54pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

What's your point, one balances out the other? 'You know what, them Nazis aren't so bad after all'?

The only reasonable point or conclusion is to label groups like antifa as domestic terrorists and do the same to any group that purposely engages in physical violence to achieve political goals. That mayor has a lot to answer for, in 2020 it's only going to get worse. Same applies to neo nazi groups.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesville-violence-fbi-242235

"Federal authorities have been warning state and local officials since early 2016 that leftist extremists known as “antifa” had become increasingly confrontational and dangerous, so much so that the Department of Homeland Security formally classified their activities as “domestic terrorist violence,” according to interviews and confidential law enforcement documents obtained by POLITICO...

Previously unreported documents disclose that by April 2016, authorities believed that “anarchist extremists” were the primary instigators of violence at public rallies against a range of targets. They were blamed by authorities for attacks on the police, government and political institutions, along with symbols of “the capitalist system,” racism, social injustice and fascism, according to a confidential 2016 joint intelligence assessment by DHS and the FBI."

Boxing.Fan · 02-07-2019 1:57pm

Is there anyone at all that can tell me why they all have school bags, is it part of the uniform along with the masks. Have they got their spare clothes In the bag so as to get changed before they go home to mom?

mad muffin · 02-07-2019 2:00pm

I must say the liberal Democrats have gone full circle now.

klaaaz · 02-07-2019 2:01pm

The far right attack anyone who is non far right white, disobedient women, black, hispanic, Asian, Muslim, lgbt people to name a few. The far left tend to react against this aggression by the far right.

Boxing.Fan · 02-07-2019 2:03pm

klaaaz wrote: »

The far right attack anyone who is non far right white, disobedient women, black, hispanic, Asian, Muslim, lgbt people to name a few. The far left tend to react against this aggression by the far right.

So right wing violence bad, left wing violence good and virtuous.

James Brown · 02-07-2019 2:06pm

Boxing.Fan wrote: »

So right wing violence bad, left wing violence good and virtuous.

I think any violence is bad. One side hates non-whites and various religions and gays, the other hates them.
What we had in Ireland in the eighties were drug dealers and a heroin epidemic. Then we'd vigilantes attacking the drug dealers. Of course some thought they were virtuous but some just liked a fight.

Roger Hassenforder · 02-07-2019 2:06pm

Eye opening thread

mad muffin · 02-07-2019 2:06pm

klaaaz wrote: »

The far right attack anyone who is non far right white, disobedient women, black, hispanic, Asian, Muslim, lgbt people to name a few. The far left tend to react against this aggression by the far right.

The far right and left are two sides of the same bad penny.

Boxing.Fan · 02-07-2019 2:06pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I think any violence is bad. One side hates non-whites and various religions and gays, the other hates them.

So both a hateful bunch by all accounts. It's a case of I hate you because you hate them. The whole thing is absolute nonsense.

Danzy · 02-07-2019 2:07pm

Antifa in recent times attacked a man coming out of the American Jewish History Museum in Philadelphia.

Ngo is not the only Asian reporter that has had it hit from them either, far from it.

They will not be the last.

Jews, Asians are considered off message, as are vast tracts of the working class.

SexBobomb · 02-07-2019 2:07pm

Boggles wrote: »

I did, I answered with a question because it made no sense.

Here it is again.

For for a minute there it almost sounded like you were trying to paint this Andy Ngo as some monster that deserved it, so you agree that this Antifa crowd are just violent thugs beating people on the street ?

02-07-2019 2:10pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Commentator Max Brooks on Bill Maher tonight about American society:

"The solution is to abolish the two party system, let the knee jerk reactionary liberals and the bat shyt crazy conservatives spin off on their own while the moderates concentrate on building the schools, fixing the roads and taking the. GODDAMN LEAD out of the water"

Extremists of all creeds need to get in the sea.

I wonder would adding preferential voting solve the problem of the two party system

Boggles · 02-07-2019 2:11pm

SexBobomb wrote: »

For for a minute there it almost sounded like you were trying to paint this Andy Ngo as some monster that deserved it,
so you agree that this Antifa crowd are just violent thugs beating people on the street ?

I think we can certainly agree that your comprehension difficulties is nothing to do with me.

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