Formula 1 2019 - General Discussion Thread

skipper_G · 08-02-2019 3:49pm

muckwarrior wrote: »

Red Bull sponsored Sauber for years before I ever even knew what it was, never mind seen it in shops. I've no idea whether rich energy are legit or not, but just because you don't see it in your local shop doesn't mean it isn't.

They're trying to replicate the Red Bull business model of promotion, it might work and it might not. If it does work, then fair play. But I still think he's full of ****

This was an interesting read about some of the energy drink brands that have come and gone in F1 through the years
http://www.f1colours.com/articles/energy-drinks-and-f1-a-chequered-history/

Frank Bullitt · 08-02-2019 7:27pm

muckwarrior wrote: »

Red Bull sponsored Sauber for years before I ever even knew what it was, never mind seen it in shops. I've no idea whether rich energy are legit or not, but just because you don't see it in your local shop doesn't mean it isn't.

Weren't Red Bull already fairly established in Asia before they landed in Europe? It was founded in the 80's after Mateschitz got the idea from a Thai drink.

It gets better, Berger told a story on a recent podcast where Marko came up to him offering sponsorship before he even had a company, let alone a drink.

Marko? He has nothing to do with the RB drink

flazio · 08-02-2019 7:29pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au6kwvREWPY

Harika · 08-02-2019 7:35pm

Gintonious wrote: »

muckwarrior wrote: »

Red Bull sponsored Sauber for years before I ever even knew what it was, never mind seen it in shops. I've no idea whether rich energy are legit or not, but just because you don't see it in your local shop doesn't mean it isn't.

Weren't Red Bull already fairly established in Asia before they landed in Europe? It was founded in the 80's after Mateschitz got the idea from a Thai drink.

It gets better, Berger told a story on a recent podcast where Marko came up to him offering sponsorship before he even had a company, let alone a drink.

Marko? He has nothing to do with the RB drink

Mateschitz was a tooth paste salesman and brought the recipe back from Thailand. In the 80s it was first established in Austria and Marko who is best friend to him was already helping him here to bring it to F1. Berger is seen posing with a can when still at mclaren Honda. Mid 90s in Austria there were more than 100 brands like red bull available. Only few survived the 90s like power horse or dark horse.
Different to rich energy you could easily buy those everywhere. If I would be them I would show pallets of my products send wherever.

HighLine · 08-02-2019 9:43pm

A little off-topic but this week's episode of The Grand Tour has a brilliant piece on Jim Clark and of course features one of the best looking F1 cars ever made.

Frank Bullitt · 09-02-2019 3:29am

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/phillip-morris-under-fire-for-new-logo-on-ferrari-f1-uniforms-20190207-p50wa2.html

Ferraris new sponsor, Mission Winnow, could be banned from Australia, its under investigation down there for being similar to the Marlboro logo (Marlboro own Mission Winnow).

Not exactly sure what the hell MW is really.

Cool_CM · 09-02-2019 9:43am

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/141369/doubting-haas-backer-like-denying-moon-landings

Not sure that it's the same

PopePalpatine · 09-02-2019 12:33pm

Gintonious wrote: »

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/phillip-morris-under-fire-for-new-logo-on-ferrari-f1-uniforms-20190207-p50wa2.html

Ferraris new sponsor, Mission Winnow, could be banned from Australia, its under investigation down there for being similar to the Marlboro logo (Marlboro own Mission Winnow).

Not exactly sure what the hell MW is really.

Ever heard of "wokewashing"?

mickdw · 09-02-2019 4:16pm

I tried to buy a case of rich energy on their site.
No luck. Don't ship to Ireland or anywhere bar UK it would appear.

Harika · 09-02-2019 5:38pm

Anyone working at a bar and with their recent success want to grab something for their F1 opening party?
If it is only UK, then I wonder even more as I might have suspected it to be sold somewhere in the middle east.

flazio · 09-02-2019 6:54pm

mickdw wrote: »

I tried to buy a case of rich energy on their site.
No luck. Don't ship to Ireland or anywhere bar UK it would appear.

Parcel motel or address pal.

Harika · 09-02-2019 8:24pm

24 can costs 20 pound, 90 million sold according to the guy. Even if that is true, you can calculate how wonky the sponsorship is.
Red bull in comparison 6 billion in 2016

Charlie-Bravo · 09-02-2019 8:39pm

I think he said 90 million made, so not all of it sold. That'll be a big warehouse holding that many. How long until the stuff expires? Probably as long as they last, 4 races.

AMKC · 10-02-2019 11:56am

So is it this week that the first of the new cars will be revealed? Can't wait to see there new livery's and colours.

Jordan 199 · 10-02-2019 12:22pm

AMKC wrote: »

So is it this week that the first of the new cars will be revealed? Can't wait to see there new livery's and colours.

It is. Toro Rosso tomorrow

mickdw · 10-02-2019 12:26pm

flazio wrote: »

Parcel motel or address pal.

I didn't so much want the drink, just checking it's availability.

AMKC · 10-02-2019 11:59pm

Here's a sound of the new Toro Rosso

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfkDH4amASQ&feature=player_embedded

Harika · 11-02-2019 9:18am

Rich energy sued for copying that logo.

Rossi IRL · 11-02-2019 11:02am

Harika wrote: »

Rich energy sued for copying that logo.

Their some chancers, can we have a poll or something to see how many races they last.

Charlie-Bravo · 11-02-2019 11:43am

pjohnson · 11-02-2019 12:18pm

1.30pm today Toro Rosso reveal
3pm Williams reveal

Jordan 199 · 11-02-2019 1:24pm

McLaren are teaming up with British American Tobacco.

corminators · 11-02-2019 1:47pm

The energy drink thing is some sort of weird kickback to Haas who thinks he has been very hard done by in the sport IMO. Budget caps were meant to be introduced and weren't.

pjohnson · 11-02-2019 1:49pm

Rumours Alonso may do some of the preseason testing for McLaren.

flazio · 11-02-2019 2:02pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

McLaren are teaming up with British American Tobacco.

Got a source on this?

Jordan 199 · 11-02-2019 2:05pm

flazio wrote: »

Got a source on this?

Autosport website.

Adamocovic · 11-02-2019 2:11pm

Interested to see what Merc do this year. Teasing that silver was last year.

Reckon it will be a livery only used for testing, just like RedBull had that lovely dark navy, blue and white car that was only used for testing. Can't stray from Silver Arrow image.

Cool_CM · 11-02-2019 2:13pm

It's on the McLaren website now too

https://www.mclaren.com/formula1/partners/british-american-tobacco/mclaren-racing-announces-global-partnership-british-american-tobacco/

recyclebin · 11-02-2019 2:25pm

Cool_CM wrote: »

It's on the McLaren website now too

https://www.mclaren.com/formula1/partners/british-american-tobacco/mclaren-racing-announces-global-partnership-british-american-tobacco/

So they saw what Ferrari and John Morris were doing with Mission Winnow and copied it. What a load of horse manure!

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 11-02-2019 2:40pm

recyclebin wrote: »

So they saw what Ferrari and John Morris were doing with Mission Winnow and copied it. What a load of horse manure!

Even horse manure has a value in F1 these days it seems.

On a serious note, can they advertise tobacco products where it is still legal such as China or are they prohibited by being EU registered/based companies?

Jordan 199 · 11-02-2019 2:50pm

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:cool:

Charlie-Bravo · 11-02-2019 3:01pm

I'm really liking this year's front wings. Very cool and slick.

H3llR4iser · 11-02-2019 3:14pm

astrofluff wrote: »

I'm really liking this year's front wings. Very cool and slick.

Very clean without all the rubbish appendages added on, but they are absurdly wide and give the cars a bit of a "snowplough" look.

Although the most interesting thing will be the first two braking zones in Melbourne - I can see a few front wings knackered before the drivers get to full grips with the new dimensions...

Jordan 199 · 11-02-2019 4:09pm

Williams will be now known as 'Rokit Wiliams Racing'.

Harika · 11-02-2019 4:11pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Williams will be now known as 'Rokit Wiliams Racing'.

Rokit looks only slightly better than Force Energy. Just slightly as startup from August 2018, no product yet released
Nice livery btw, looks similar to the BWT from Racing Point.

Jordan 199 · 11-02-2019 4:22pm

AMKC · 11-02-2019 4:25pm

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Very clean without all the rubbish appendages added on, but they are absurdly wide and give the cars a bit of a "snowplough" look.

Although the most interesting thing will be the first two braking zones in Melbourne - I can see a few front wings knackered before the drivers get to full grips with the new dimensions...

Very clean without all the rubbish appendages added on, but they are absurdly wide and give the cars a bit of a "snowplough" look.

I never minded all the appendages on the wings but do agree it got a bit silly. I think they should have just been allowed 3 wings maybe one for the high downforce tracks, one for the slower tracks and one for the low downforce tracks but be able to use whichever wing suited best, Instead it was nearly a new wing for every race by the big teams.

As for being very wide they were this or wider before the 2014 rules came in.

Just look up any of the cars from 2011 the wings went way out and lots of them got broke during the races as the drivers got to close trying to base or get by in a tight corner.

Adamocovic · 11-02-2019 4:50pm

I'm really liking the Williams

Jordan 199 · 11-02-2019 4:51pm

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Beautiful shade of blue on the Williams.

muckwarrior · 11-02-2019 4:52pm

It looks really good there, but I'll reserve judgement til I see it on track, in daylight.

Adamocovic · 11-02-2019 4:54pm

muckwarrior wrote: »

It looks really good there, but I'll reserve judgement til I see it on track, in daylight.

I was thinking the same but for some reason I have a feeling it will look even nicer on track.

For me at least, the big reveal sometimes doesn't wow me with it sitting there empty on carpet in low lighting. Then stick a driver in and have it flying around a circuit and looks much nicer.

Frank Bullitt · 11-02-2019 5:12pm

Hard to tell from the lighting there, nice looking car though, hopefully it goes a bit better than the last one!

H3llR4iser · 11-02-2019 6:28pm

AMKC wrote: »

As for being very wide they were this or wider before the 2014 rules came in.

Just look up any of the cars from 2011 the wings went way out and lots of them got broke during the races as the drivers got to close trying to base or get by in a tight corner.

The front wing width limit before 2014 was 1800mm, just like last year. It went down to 1650mm in 2014, then back up; For 2019, it is now 2000mm - they're 20 cm wider than 2011 and last year. They looked the "same" back then because they aligned with the outside wall of the front tire - as the overall maximum width of the cars was also 1800mm.

Frank Bullitt · 11-02-2019 7:33pm

Honourable mention here for Kvyats helmet design, nice and simple.

El_Duderino 09 · 11-02-2019 8:21pm

The TR looks very similar to las year and the new liveries on Haas and Williams Look great. Similar with kvyat’s helmet I like a few block colours. The more intricate the liveries become the harder it is to tell them apart on the track.

Looking good so far.

tigerboon · 11-02-2019 10:30pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Beautiful shade of blue on the Williams.

Is it something to do with the sponsors or just a colour Williams chose. Old British racing blue maybe? Looks good

recyclebin · 12-02-2019 12:09am

I must be only one here who doesn't like the Williams. The blue and white looks like really bad overspray.

elperello · 12-02-2019 12:19am

Blue was the French racing colour.

Charlie-Bravo · 12-02-2019 12:20am

You're not the only one. I did look at it and didn't get any tingling or goosebumps. So yeah, maybe until it's out on track it may look better.

Cool_CM · 12-02-2019 12:21am

It looks like it should be sponsored by Colgate or Aquafresh

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