2018 Woman's World Cup (London)

citytillidie · 04-08-2018 5:57pm

bobbyss wrote: »

First and foremost best of luck to the team today. They make you proud!

I am not a hockey person at all as my lack of knowledge will testify soon enough. Football is my sport. I do have thoughts I would like to share especially with those who know more about it than me.

I am intrigued by the hockey as there are similarities between the two codes. Watching Holland play England was quite interesting as the pressure from Holland was quite intense. They reminded me of Man City in that regard.

The shootout was not a direct shot and I was wondering why? Would it not be more exciting instead of the possibility of a score being questioned or a shot being questioned like Ireland's last penalty against India?

If the pitch was widened or lengthened would that not increase skill levels all round because lack of speed, dribbling skills and passing shots, just as examples, would have to be improved on as players would be more exposed to these skills? For example, I noticed the winger (?) in hockey gets few chances to skin a defender so with a wider and longer pitch this is much more possible. Would it not also give the opportunity for a central midfielder (?) to impose him or herself on a game ?

I have never seen a football coach or manager cry during an interview as the English manager did after the loss to Holland. That's something that you won't see in football.

Looking at the profile of the players is a bit like rugby and completely different from football. The present hockey team is strongly middle class. Is it the same by and large, as other international hockey teams? Do India, Holland, England etc have solicitors, students and doctors in its panel as much as Ireland.

Finally, that penalty goal by I don't know which Irish player was an absolute peach. It was cheeky and impudent. What a temperament to do that under that pressure. A bit of a Pirlo.

In any event. Here's hoping it rains on Spain's parade.

Run in is about the skill on of a one to one, if the keeper fouls the attacker then a flick is awarded, think of it more as 5 one to ones compared to pens like football

highgiant1985 · 04-08-2018 6:04pm

citytillidie wrote: »

Another run in shoot out.

any where to watch?

citytillidie · 04-08-2018 6:05pm

Over now was on BT Sport

Final will be
Netherlands V Ireland

cdeb · 04-08-2018 6:05pm

Holland won 3-1

Strazdas · 04-08-2018 6:28pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Absolutely. No shortage of them either with Katie, Sarah Healy and other under age athletes and the incredible Rachel Blackmore currently leading the Irish jump jockeys championship.

Yes, the underage female athletes are doing fantastically - Sarah Healy and the 4 x 100m girls and the high jumper, the level they are medalling at is incredible.....some of those young sprinters like Rhadisat and Patience are only 15 years old.

Strazdas · 04-08-2018 6:31pm

cdeb wrote: »

Holland won 3-1

(In the penalty shoot out). Probably no bad thing it went to penalties, that late equaliser must have rattled the Dutch a bit.

Mr.Nice Guy · 04-08-2018 7:01pm

It was very exciting and a great win for Ireland. Must give credit to the Spanish player for the lobbed goal when all the pressure was on to level it up. That took some nerve.

washman3 · 04-08-2018 7:59pm

There won't be a cow milked for a week in Sandymount...:):)

Strazdas · 04-08-2018 10:52pm

Strazdas wrote: »

(In the penalty shoot out). Probably no bad thing it went to penalties, that late equaliser must have rattled the Dutch a bit.

Reading tonight that it's not called a 'penalty shootout' in hockey, just a shootout and the teams don't take 'penalties', the scores are simply goals. I stand corrected

fryup · 04-08-2018 10:57pm

hi folks

another band-wagoner here with a few questions,

1. is the dutch fully pro?

2. is there offside in hockey?

3. will Ireland automatically qualify for the Olympics after this?

bobbyss · 04-08-2018 11:09pm

When they take a penalty they have eight seconds to take it I believe? But the opposite team can dispute that if they think a player took more than eight seconds. They stop and check with someone. Why isn't there a clock visible to all and on screen so there is no need to check as we can all see it?

riffmongous · 04-08-2018 11:28pm

bobbyss wrote: »

When they take a penalty they have eight seconds to take it I believe? But the opposite team can dispute that if they think a player took more than eight seconds. They stop and check with someone. Why isn't there a clock visible to all and on screen so there is no need to check as we can all see it?

I guess even if there was a clock it would still be open to dispute and need to be checked to be exact

citytillidie · 04-08-2018 11:42pm

fryup wrote: »

hi folks

another band-wagoner here with a few questions,

1. is the dutch fully pro?

2. is there offside in hockey?

3. will Ireland automatically qualify for the Olympics after this?

Dutch would have a high level league system and would be all pros, Ireland have some players who play in Europe but one of those is just coming back after 18 months out injured.

There is no offside but you can only score from inside the D, the semi circle inside in front of the goal.

No only the winners of each continents championship next year will automatically qualify for the Olympic there is also a qualifying tournament that will be played after all regi9n chmpi9nships are over. There is only 12 teams at the next olympics

vektarman · 04-08-2018 11:54pm

fryup wrote: »

hi folks

2. is there offside in hockey?

There was offside in hockey up to some years ago but since the offside rule was done away with hockey has become a much more open and faster game.

bobbyss · 05-08-2018 9:50am

Do I get the feeling Ireland will be hammered today?
Did the draw open up for us just as in football it opened up for England in the football World Cup?
We did not really play a powerhouse yet. We played and lost against England in a dead rubber.

How come the final is being played one day after a semi final?

Joe_ Public · 05-08-2018 10:26am

I’m no expert but seems to me any luck they got with the draw would be a very small part of the story. The reality is they were drawn in a tough group which included England, India and USA and they finished top, losing a tight game they didn’t need to win. Then they beat India again with authority and beat Spain who had beaten fancied Germany. Where does luck come into that?

They’re underdogs today for sure, looking forward to it with no fear or expectation, just enjoy it.

fryup · 05-08-2018 10:51am

bobbyss wrote: »

Do I get the feeling Ireland will be hammered today?

i think so too, unfortunately

the dutch score 26 goals in the group stage alone, whereas we scored 4

*if we get within one or two goals of Holland it would be an admiral achievement

cdeb · 05-08-2018 10:55am

Joe_ Public wrote: »

I’m no expert but seems to me any luck they got with the draw would be a very small part of the story. The reality is they were drawn in a tough group which included England, India and USA and they finished top, losing a tight game they didn’t need to win. Then they beat India again with authority and beat Spain who had beaten fancied Germany. Where does luck come into that?

Apart from England - who they lost (narrowly) to in a dead game - they haven't played anyone higher than seventh in the rankings: http://www.fih.ch/rankings/outdoor/. The rankings seem to show a big drop between sixth and seventh too. Their knock-out opponents were ranked tenth and eleventh. That's a relatively handy draw to get you to a World Cup Final.

I also don't think you can say they beat India "with authority" when they beat them on penalties.

None of that is their fault of course; you can only beat (draw with?) what's in front of you

Joe_ Public · 05-08-2018 11:13am

Yeah that’s fair enough. But it’s not exactly all pot luck either as avoiding the big guns was a consequence of topping the group, a reward. If they’d finished second they’d have likely met the Netherlands next, a fate that befell England instead.

Anyway they won’t be world champions without having faced the best so just looking forward to seeing what happens and savoring the achievement whatever result transpires.

Cork Boy 53 · 05-08-2018 11:50am

bobbyss wrote: »

Do I get the feeling Ireland will be hammered today?
Did the draw open up for us just as in football it opened up for England in the football World Cup?
We did not really play a powerhouse yet. We played and lost against England in a dead rubber.

How come the final is being played one day after a semi final?

It`s just the way international hockey tournaments are scheduled. Short recovery times between matches.

Jayesdiem · 05-08-2018 12:01pm

No matter how this turns out or who they played, this is close to being the greatest achievements in Irish sport. And I usually tend to be cynical.

bobbyss · 05-08-2018 12:03pm

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

It`s just the way international hockey tournaments are scheduled. Short recovery times between matches.

Seems strange.
Why not have next day games at group stages or quarter final stage rather than semi and final?

Apart from all of that, and as a football supporter, I think it is so refreshing that there is no simulation, no diving no cynicism.

It makes the Premier League seem dirty and unsporting.

fryup · 05-08-2018 12:08pm

a match lasts for 1 hour split into 4 quarters with breaks in between, compared to football 90mins with one break

correct me if i'm wrong but i wouldn't think it'll be as physically demanding as say football & rugby

(still a tough sport though)

realdanbreen · 05-08-2018 12:17pm

Is it being shown on TV?

Cork Boy 53 · 05-08-2018 12:20pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Is it being shown on TV?

Yes, on RTE2 and BT Sport 3.

citytillidie · 05-08-2018 12:40pm

fryup wrote: »

a match lasts for 1 hour split into 4 quarters with breaks in between, compared to football 90mins with one break

correct me if i'm wrong but i wouldn't think it'll be as physically demanding as say football & rugby

(still a tough sport though)

It is as tough as football lots more running shorter sprints and such.

There is 4 quarters at this level because it is hard to keep that intensity up for 35 mins half’s which it is in senior leagues in Ireland.

15 min quarter win 90 seconds break between quarter 1&2 and 3@4 with a 5 minute half time

It does have rolling unlimited subs so that helps

DONTMATTER · 05-08-2018 12:50pm

Netherlands will win easy but it's still an amazing achievement.

bobbyss · 05-08-2018 12:52pm

citytillidie wrote:

It does have rolling unlimited subs so that helps

Are players ever sent off? ie red carded and not allowed back?

fryup · 05-08-2018 12:52pm

i reckon 7 -1 Holland

citytillidie · 05-08-2018 1:07pm

bobbyss wrote: »

Are players ever sent off? ie red carded and not allowed back?

Yes there are 3 types of cards

Green - 2 mins in then sin bin this is usually for either minor things such as talking back or intentionally playing the ball after the whistle when it stops the other team taking a free hit. If the player tries to tackle the player who takes the free hit to themselves and then all has not moved or the player has not moved more than 5meters is usually green too

Yellow - 5 to 10 mins in the sin bin is usually similarly to the green card but if the umpire thinks it’s more serious than a green card like doing it inside the 23.

Like football 2 yellows make a red and red can be given for serious foul play like swinging a stick at someone on purpose.

Penalty corners can be awarded for any deliberate act inside the 23 not just inside the D

Strazdas · 05-08-2018 1:35pm

Surprised people are predicting Ireland will take a hammering. Yes, NL are a step above any team the Irish have played in this tournament but they have a very strong defence and don't give up chances easily.

If they're to lose it, I can see them keeping it to a 1-0 or 2-0.

cdeb · 05-08-2018 1:47pm

The Dutch have been hammering better teams than Ireland in this tournament. Fatigue for amateurs must be a slight factor too. It's entirely possible it will be one-sided. It mightn't be, but it's not surprising people are predicting it

Strazdas · 05-08-2018 2:27pm

cdeb wrote: »

The Dutch have been hammering better teams than Ireland in this tournament. Fatigue for amateurs must be a slight factor too. It's entirely possible it will be one-sided. It mightn't be, but it's not surprising people are predicting it

Normally a team in any sport with a good defence is a team with a good defence. Ireland wouldn't want to be conceding early though ie. going 1-0 down after five minutes, that's where the real danger of a hammering could lie.

cdeb · 05-08-2018 3:02pm

For sure. It's like Ireland under Jack Charlton in a way; built on not conceding and never really got thumped as a result.

But the amateur v best in the world by a considerable distance bit would worry you a little bit

A 5-0 defeat would be better than any of the Dutch group opponents managed, but might take some sheen off the overall achievement. But I hope it doesn't happen

feargale · 05-08-2018 3:16pm

Biggest worry: In their last two games, against India and Spain, Ireland tired visibly in the second half and lost concentration. London temperature forecast: 28-29 at 4 p.m.

Strazdas · 05-08-2018 3:41pm

cdeb wrote: »

For sure. It's like Ireland under Jack Charlton in a way; built on not conceding and never really got thumped as a result.

But the amateur v best in the world by a considerable distance bit would worry you a little bit

A 5-0 defeat would be better than any of the Dutch group opponents managed, but might take some sheen off the overall achievement. But I hope it doesn't happen

It does look though like NL came through a very poor pool. The two other teams from their pool were both eliminated at the crossover stage, which would suggest it was the weakest pool of the four.

It's not unknown for a team to run riot in a WC final but fingers crossed it doesn't happen today.

realdanbreen · 05-08-2018 3:43pm

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Yes, on RTE2 and BT Sport 3.

Don't see anything on RTE about it?

Joe_ Public · 05-08-2018 3:57pm

Should be coming on now after the hurling.

I see Ireland are 9/1 outsiders with the bookies which gives an indication of the task ahead. Team spirit can get a team some distance though and I doubt they’ll be found wanting on that front. Here’s hoping anyway.

Strazdas · 05-08-2018 4:00pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Should be coming on now after the hurling.

I see Ireland are 9/1 outsiders with the bookies which gives an indication of the task ahead. Team spirit can get a team some distance though and I doubt they’ll be found wanting on that front. Here’s hoping anyway.

Nobody will mind if they lose to the hot favourites but hopefully they can acquit themselves well in the final.

c.p.w.g.w · 05-08-2018 4:04pm

Strazdas wrote: »

Nobody will mind if they lose to the hot favourites but hopefully they can acquit themselves well in the final.

Think the fact they reached the final is a fantastic achievement for them. Hopefully it'll also provide young girls a sport that they can look up to. As girls sports teams in soccer & rugby don't exist in large areas of the country. Even in GAA some areas may have only a couple of teams in varying age grades, which aren't as suitable for them

Itssoeasy · 05-08-2018 4:10pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Don't see anything on RTE about it?

4:05pm.

Joe_ Public · 05-08-2018 4:12pm

Strazdas wrote: »

Nobody will mind if they lose to the hot favourites but hopefully they can acquit themselves well in the final.

Remember when we knocked the Dutch out of the 2002 football WC and it turned out afterwards that they’d already booked their finals accommodation and made all the arrangements. I’m hoping against hope for a repeat scenario.

Mr_Man2121 · 05-08-2018 4:26pm

My heart is racing already

Itssoeasy · 05-08-2018 4:28pm

Hockey isn't high on the royal family's duties it seems.

Itssoeasy · 05-08-2018 4:30pm

The tune of the Dutch national anthem sounds familiar. The tune I mean sounds familiar.

Itssoeasy · 05-08-2018 4:32pm

Irelands call. Utter rubbish. I mean fair enough there was a song needed for all island sports, but is this the best they could come up with ?

ShamoBuc · 05-08-2018 4:32pm

Great rendition, great to see the smiles on their faces!

Itssoeasy · 05-08-2018 4:33pm

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Great rendition, great to see the smiles on their faces!

The gave it socks alright. Shame it's a poor song.

taytobreath · 05-08-2018 4:34pm

come on Ireland.

I dont think I ever watched more than 10 minutes of a hockey match before. But I'll watch all of this.

Mr_Man2121 · 05-08-2018 4:35pm

Holland are ****ing good. Hon Ireland

2018 Woman's World Cup (London)

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