Ireland Under 20 2019 6 Nations and World Championships

Tarf1234 · 14-08-2018 9:55am

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Belvo will find it difficult again at 20s level more a socila side than serious rugby going on last few years evidence, Rock throwing huge cash around again this year but it is where good 20s players go to die and spend all of it in Coppers ( If only Fergus Slattery knew what was really going on in his club instead of lecturing others). UCD, Trinity, Lansdowne & Tarf likely top 4. If people remember this time last year much the same was said about the clubs above which didn't work out for Rock whop did the same last year, Belvo didn't qualify, Lansdowne won the League, Tarf continued improving & the Colleges blew hot and cold mostly hot but they should be winning the 20s league every year with their resources and scholarships attracting the cream. Tarf and Lansdowne will lead the charge aginst them but not going to be any dramatic changes in top 4 this year except possibly Terenure who can get a good run going as most of the team will have played togetrher all thru school and be that bit ahead come start of the league. They could dislodge a Lansdowne or Tarf team on their day

I think OB will qualify this year. Marys struggling badly from what I've heard. Could not agree more re: the Fergus Slattery comment - one of the most ironic crusades ever. Agree re: final make up too most likely the 4/5 you mentioned above

RugbyRugby2016 · 14-08-2018 10:07am

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Leinster5 wrote: »

Lansdowne struggling with their recruitment this year from what I've been told from a 20's perspective. Old Belvedere pushing hard at Senior and 20s level.

Blackrock have recruited plenty of big names which makes you wonder. Was told Hawkshaw has joined Clontarf with Baird and Penny going to UCD.

Belvo will find it difficult again at 20s level more a socila side than serious rugby going on last few years evidence, Rock throwing huge cash around again this year but it is where good 20s players go to die and spend all of it in Coppers ( If only Fergus Slattery knew what was really going on in his club instead of lecturing others). UCD, Trinity, Lansdowne & Tarf likely top 4. If people remember this time last year much the same was said about the clubs above which didn't work out for Rock whop did the same last year, Belvo didn't qualify, Lansdowne won the League, Tarf continued improving & the Colleges blew hot and cold mostly hot but they should be winning the 20s league every year with their resources and scholarships attracting the cream. Tarf and Lansdowne will lead the charge aginst them but not going to be any dramatic changes in top 4 this year except possibly Terenure who can get a good run going as most of the team will have played togetrher all thru school and be that bit ahead come start of the league. They could dislodge a Lansdowne or Tarf team on their day

I suppose I'll bite.....who did Blackrock spend huge cash on last year? Can only think of two prominent senior players who went there from the school - the hooker (McLoughlin) and the 7 (Francis). Didn't think they recruited any big names from the elsewhere either (though I could be wrong).
Pretty sure BRFC doesn't have much in the way of cash which is why I'd say Slattery's comments were always more begrudging than ironic in my opinion.

ArmchairQB · 14-08-2018 10:15am

RugbyRugby2016 wrote: »

I suppose I'll bite.....who did Blackrock spend huge cash on last year? Can only think of two prominent senior players who went there from the school - the hooker (McLoughlin) and the 7 (Francis). Didn't think they recruited any big names from the elsewhere either (though I could be wrong).
Pretty sure BRFC doesn't have much in the way of cash which is why I'd say Slattery's comments were always more begrudging than ironic in my opinion.

Not meant as an insult and dont know your background but you are out of touch if you don't know the Rock story at 20s level this year and last plenty getting €8k for the season and I mean plenty. How many St. Michaels lads played for Blackrock last season? That is not a typical avenue that is taken by Michaels players take a closer look at which schools the players are coming from and you will get an idea. EX rock SCT lads were offered more but most turned it down to play more competitive rugby. I am not slandering anyone here but Rock are on the verge of out of control again and where they are getting the cash I don't know or care but they are throwing it around recklessly and if history tells us anything it is a flawed plan that does not end well.

RugbyRugby2016 · 14-08-2018 10:30am

Safe to say I'm probably more than a bit out of touch. Didn't realise so many Michael's lads had gone their last year (that's probably down to me knowing their players as well).

Based on their results last year, I can't disagree with you that it's a flawed plan...

FrannoFan · 14-08-2018 2:25pm

Barnhall with their maynooth links have been steadily improving.
Navan had a great year about 2 seasons back - was that a 1 off?

While there are the stand out teams who recruit heavily each season it looks like the overall standard is improving and it is more competitive in that bracket just outside/just qualifying for premier.

Where are slatterys comments?

The Lost Sheep · 14-08-2018 2:30pm

FrannoFan wrote: »

Barnhall with their maynooth links have been steadily improving.
Navan had a great year about 2 seasons back - was that a 1 off?

While there are the stand out teams who recruit heavily each season it looks like the overall standard is improving and it is more competitive in that bracket just outside/just qualifying for premier.

Where are slatterys comments?

Wouldnt say a one off with Navan. They're strong in youths rugby but wont always be able to compete at very top in 20s.
Google 'fergus slattery club rugby' and you will see the comments about removing payment from club rugby. funny as blackrock club would have been big into paying at different times.

The Lost Sheep · 14-08-2018 6:57pm

Ireland Under-20s head coach Noel McNamara has been sent on a three-month placement with Kiwi outfit North Harbour as part of an IRFU initiative to take coaches "out of their comfort zone" and aid their development.
Once he has completed the Mitre10 Cup season he will return to Ireland to continue in his dual role with the U20s and Leinster’s development squad.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2018/0814/985089-irfu-send-u20-coach-mcnamara-on-3-month-nz-placement/

stellenbosch · 14-08-2018 7:29pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Wouldnt say a one off with Navan. They're strong in youths rugby but wont always be able to compete at very top in 20s.
Google 'fergus slattery club rugby' and you will see the comments about removing payment from club rugby. funny as blackrock club would have been big into paying at different times.

Joe Byrne and Brian Mollen leave 1A club to join Rock...interesting....

The Lost Sheep · 14-08-2018 7:32pm

stellenbosch wrote: »

Joe Byrne and Brian Mollen leave 1A club to join Rock...interesting....

Is Mollen finished University? So cant play for Trinity anymore.
Arent both former Blackrock students so at least there's some connection to the club somewhat...

stellenbosch · 14-08-2018 7:39pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Is Mollen finished University? So cant play for Trinity anymore.
Arent both former Blackrock students so at least there's some connection to the club somewhat...

Interestingly Mollen was in UCD lat year(he changed after 1st year i think) but could be finished and Byrne in DIT..Byrne an Irish 20s leaves a DIV IA club to join a DIV 2A club..Mollen on the 7s anyway so wouldnt have played much for either Rock or Trinity and would have struggled to get into the Triniity back 3 of Captain Colm Hogan/Jack Kelly and Michael Sylvestre if all available. Both are Rock boys from school.

The Lost Sheep · 15-08-2018 11:27am

stellenbosch wrote: »

Interestingly Mollen was in UCD lat year(he changed after 1st year i think) but could be finished and Byrne in DIT..Byrne an Irish 20s leaves a DIV IA club to join a DIV 2A club..Mollen on the 7s anyway so wouldnt have played much for either Rock or Trinity and would have struggled to get into the Triniity back 3 of Captain Colm Hogan/Jack Kelly and Michael Sylvestre if all available. Both are Rock boys from school.

Both finished college so had to leave Trinity. Yes leaving a 1A for 2A is strange but both are rock past pupils and as you say Mollen is with 7s so could miss a lot of season

Wesley playing Leinster 20s tonight.

Stainalert · 15-08-2018 2:01pm

Both transfers look very dubious to me regardless of school affiliation.
Wesley game on in Donnybrook?

The Lost Sheep · 15-08-2018 2:03pm

Stainalert wrote: »

Both transfers look very dubious to me regardless of school affiliation.
Wesley game on in Donnybrook?

Saying dubious is slightly unfair as there is a link some what
And i believe game is on in Donnybrook

Stainalert · 15-08-2018 8:44pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Saying dubious is slightly unfair as there is a link some what
And i believe game is on in Donnybrook

Young rugby players of that calibre do not move from a 1A to a 2A club unless there are other motivations - money usually being the main one and it tallies with what one of the other posters on this forum has already said about Rock's recruitment policy at the moment.

stellenbosch · 15-08-2018 8:50pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Both finished college so had to leave Trinity. Yes leaving a 1A for 2A is strange but both are rock past pupils and as you say Mollen is with 7s so could miss a lot of season

Wesley playing Leinster 20s tonight.

Not correct-Byrne is one year out of school-was never in Trinity but played for them-still in DIT and now playing for Rock.

BTW Trinity is an open club if players want to play there they can..you dont have to study there to play there

The Lost Sheep · 15-08-2018 9:07pm

stellenbosch wrote: »

Not correct-Byrne is one year out of school-was never in Trinity but played for them-still in DIT and now playing for Rock.

BTW Trinity is an open club if players want to play there they can..you dont have to study there to play there

Always seem to get mixed up between the universities as some are closed/open to students only/current students etc etc.

Anyway back on topic Leinster 20s playing Wesley and wesley are streaming it on their facebook page. well into second half now

The Lost Sheep · 15-08-2018 9:08pm

Stainalert wrote: »

Young rugby players of that calibre do not move from a 1A to a 2A club unless there are other motivations - money usually being the main one and it tallies with what one of the other posters on this forum has already said about Rock's recruitment policy at the moment.

Not necessarily. There is many other reasons and being past pupils of the school can be a factor. So at least there's some sort of connection.

Purist98 · 16-08-2018 12:14am

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Always seem to get mixed up between the universities as some are closed/open to students only/current students etc etc.

Anyway back on topic Leinster 20s playing Wesley and wesley are streaming it on their facebook page. well into second half now

Has it been deleted? Can't find it on facebook

The Lost Sheep · 16-08-2018 12:06pm

Purist98 wrote: »

Has it been deleted? Can't find it on facebook

Yeah deleted sometime last night. I guess at Leinster request(??)

Locke_Lamora · 16-08-2018 12:34pm

None of Baird, Penny, Milne, O’Sullivan, Hawkshaw, Byrne, and a few others were playing. Liam turner and Darragh Bolger came off the bench that I recall. I’m not sure of their names but the Leinster backrow and no.5 were very physical.

RockBoysarewii · 16-08-2018 1:34pm

What was the score?

Ally Bren 92 · 16-08-2018 2:05pm

RockBoysarewii wrote: »

What was the score?

16-14 to Leinster

Ally Bren 92 · 16-08-2018 2:07pm

Locke_Lamora wrote: »

None of Baird, Penny, Milne, O’Sullivan, Hawkshaw, Byrne, and a few others were playing. Liam turner and Darragh Bolger came off the bench that I recall. I’m not sure of their names but the Leinster backrow and no.5 were very physical.

Backrow were martin moloney,Alan Francis,mark Fleming and no5 was Gerard hill

D14Rugby · 16-08-2018 7:07pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Leinster u20s squad

Props

Michael Milne
Thomas clarkson
Roman salanoa
Niall mceniff
Giuseppe Coyne
Chris Hennessy

Hookers

Richie bergin
Declan adamson
John mckee
Sean moloney

Second rows
Ryan Baird
Matthew Healy
Charlie Ryan

Back rows
Ronan watters
Alan francis
Reubin pim
Scott Penney
Ruadhan byron
Mark fleming
Gerard hill
Michael mcgagh
Martin moloney

Scrum halves
Cormac Foley
Louis o Reilly
James kenney

Out half’s
David hawkshaw
James tarrant
David Moran

Centres
David ryan
Eoin Barr
Liam turner
Jay Barron

Back 3
Hugo Conway
Aaron o Sullivan
Rory shields
Patrick oppermann
Sean galvin
Rob Russell
Conor o kelly

No Terenure players there is surprising, some of their backs would have been looking to be involved I'd have thought.

Only 3 second rows and 4 hookers is odd too

D14Rugby · 17-08-2018 9:13am

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Not meant as an insult and dont know your background but you are out of touch if you don't know the Rock story at 20s level this year and last plenty getting €8k for the season and I mean plenty. How many St. Michaels lads played for Blackrock last season? That is not a typical avenue that is taken by Michaels players take a closer look at which schools the players are coming from and you will get an idea. EX rock SCT lads were offered more but most turned it down to play more competitive rugby. I am not slandering anyone here but Rock are on the verge of out of control again and where they are getting the cash I don't know or care but they are throwing it around recklessly and if history tells us anything it is a flawed plan that does not end well.

I can't think of any Michaels players that played for Rock last year

stellenbosch · 17-08-2018 9:32am

stellenbosch wrote: »

Baird to Trinity ive heard

Baird to Trinity confirmed

OnTick · 17-08-2018 9:39am

Leinster 20 side from the other night?

1.
2.
3. Chris Hennessy(St. Michaels)
4. Matt Healy(St. Michaels)
5. Gerard Hill(Belvedere)
6. Martin Moloney(Athy)
7. Alan Francis(Blackrock/Blackrock)
8. Mark Fleming(Glenstal)
9. Louis O'Reilly(Blackrock)
10. James Tarrant(Blackrock)
11.
12. Eoin Barr(Gonzaga)
13.
14.
15.
16. John McKee(Campbell)
17. Daragh Bolger(Clontarf)
18.
19.
20.
21. James Kenny(Gonzaga/Lansdowne)
22.
23. Liam Turner(Blackrock)

Leinster 20s/Development play Coventry Seniors tomorrow in Donnybrook.

ArmchairQB · 17-08-2018 10:01am

D14Rugby wrote: »

I can't think of any Michaels players that played for Rock last year

at under 20? Centre for one plus more do your homework

RugbyRugby2016 · 17-08-2018 10:07am

D14Rugby wrote: »

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Not meant as an insult and dont know your background but you are out of touch if you don't know the Rock story at 20s level this year and last plenty getting €8k for the season and I mean plenty. How many St. Michaels lads played for Blackrock last season? That is not a typical avenue that is taken by Michaels players take a closer look at which schools the players are coming from and you will get an idea. EX rock SCT lads were offered more but most turned it down to play more competitive rugby. I am not slandering anyone here but Rock are on the verge of out of control again and where they are getting the cash I don't know or care but they are throwing it around recklessly and if history tells us anything it is a flawed plan that does not end well.

I can't think of any Michaels players that played for Rock last year

I was looking at some of the Blackrock 20’s teamsheets from last year on Twitter. Safe to say they didn’t look like a team of high priced recruits....

OnTick · 17-08-2018 10:10am

RugbyRugby2016 wrote: »

I was looking at some of the Blackrock 20’s teamsheets from last year on Twitter. Safe to say they didn’t look like a team of high priced recruits....

Yeah me too.. biggest names are Steve McLaughlin and Peter O'Reilly. Alan Francis too. All ex-Rock.

1 ex-Michaels in Craig Lynch. Most Michaels lads went to UCD/DUFC and a few to Lansdowne.

ArmchairQB · 17-08-2018 10:20am

OnTick wrote: »

Yeah me too.. biggest names are Steve McLaughlin and Peter O'Reilly. Alan Francis too. All ex-Rock.

1 ex-Michaels in Craig Lynch. Most Michaels lads went to UCD/DUFC and a few to Lansdowne.

The Rock PR brigade out in force I see where did Michael Corcoran go to school? look abit deeper boys not going to argue what is well known, deflect if you want but I don't really care what Rock do is up to them but they preach one thing thru Slattery and practicise another. How many overseas players at senior level last few years? They are reckless the way they are going on. That is my opinion you will have yours but I am done talking about them

OnTick · 17-08-2018 10:26am

Cmon, Michael Corcoran is hardly a big recruit. If they are splashing the cash on him, well I dunno.. I have no ties to the club so makes no difference to me.

Stainalert · 17-08-2018 10:46am

OnTick wrote: »

Cmon, Michael Corcoran is hardly a big recruit. If they are splashing the cash on him, well I dunno.. I have no ties to the club so makes no difference to me.

Fair amount of money being thrown around at senior level too last season - several senior players offered cash to move also.

ArmchairQB · 17-08-2018 11:11am

OnTick wrote: »

Cmon, Michael Corcoran is hardly a big recruit. If they are splashing the cash on him, well I dunno.. I have no ties to the club so makes no difference to me.

Actually think I mixed Corcoran up with some other Michaels lad he went up UCD I think? Apologies on that one but you shouldn’t have to look to hard.Also the money was and is being thrown at average recruits not big names as I said before. Big names know it is futile to go there. Not the smartest at who they give cash to. But if you ask a few of the big name Rock lads last year most were offered in excess of €8k one offered€15 that I know of. Silly crazy amounts and not sustainable

D14Rugby · 17-08-2018 1:13pm

ArmchairQB wrote: »

at under 20? Centre for one plus more do your homework

I'm looking at a 20's team-sheet for them now and there's only 3 people on the starting 15 that didn't go to the school, one from Andrews, one from Glenstal and Loughmans brother and he definitely didn't go to michaels.

FellasFellas · 18-08-2018 9:28am

Is there a list of interpro fixtures around anywhere? Would like to see Leinster Schools especially. What time is 20's - Coventry?

Thermoman12 · 18-08-2018 11:15am

FellasFellas wrote: »

Is there a list of interpro fixtures around anywhere? Would like to see Leinster Schools especially. What time is 20's - Coventry?

Kick off at 3

The Lost Sheep · 18-08-2018 12:52pm

FellasFellas wrote: »

Is there a list of interpro fixtures around anywhere? Would like to see Leinster Schools especially. What time is 20's - Coventry?

all u18 interpros are in UL starting today.
then games wednesday and Sunday

Leinster5 · 18-08-2018 8:53pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

I can't think of any Michaels players that played for Rock last year

I was told 2 or 3 Michael's SCT players joined last season with a few joining this year, I'm almost certain somebody mentioned on this that their head coach is from Michael's but could be wrong. Tarf 20s coach who has a connection with Blackrock school claimed several big players like Joe Byrne, Karl Dixon, James Burke, Harry Donnelly, Michael McGagh and James Tarrant are joining Blackrock club.

Don't think it's fair to presume payment, I'm a Clontarf man and we aren't exactly 'clean.' Some clubs do, some don't. It's part of the AIL game and without it, it would be in a much worse state than it is currently.

Chico Flores · 21-08-2018 11:24pm

Due to CAO Adam Corcoran now Trinity

Along with Turner...clongowes 8 and 6. Blackrock front Row

stellenbosch · 22-08-2018 8:56am

Chico Flores wrote: »

Due to CAO Adam Corcoran now Trinity

Along with Turner...clongowes 8 and 6. Blackrock front Row

Position Corcoran plays? Names of 8 and 6 and Rock F ROW?

Chico Flores · 22-08-2018 8:59am

stellenbosch wrote: »

Position Corcoran plays? Names of 8 and 6 and Rock F ROW?

Corocoran is a 7. I think Ryan and Durkan were the names I got on the Clongowes lads. No idea on the front rows.

The Lost Sheep · 31-08-2018 10:27am

Ulster Development / U20 squad to play Leinster, Friday 31st August (6.00pm) at Malone RFC:

Iwan Hughes, Ben McCaughey, James Hume, Michael Lowry, Aaron Sexton, Bruce Houston, Graham Curtis;
Peter Cooper, Zack McCall, Paul McGookin, Jack Regan, Bradley Luney, Joe Dunleavy, Matthew Agnew, Jonah Mau'u.

Replacements: Patrick Nixon, Rodney Ah You, Aziz Nasser, JJ McKee, Marcus Rea, Michael Stronge, Robbie Johnston, Oisin Kiernan, Campbell Classon.

Jonnyfootball · 31-08-2018 4:12pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Ulster Development / U20 squad to play Leinster, Friday 31st August (6.00pm) at Malone RFC:

Iwan Hughes, Ben McCaughey, James Hume, Michael Lowry, Aaron Sexton, Bruce Houston, Graham Curtis;
Peter Cooper, Zack McCall, Paul McGookin, Jack Regan, Bradley Luney, Joe Dunleavy, Matthew Agnew, Jonah Mau'u.

Replacements: Patrick Nixon, Rodney Ah You, Aziz Nasser, JJ McKee, Marcus Rea, Michael Stronge, Robbie Johnston, Oisin Kiernan, Campbell Classon.

Can’t help but think what Patrick Nixon is doing in an ulster academy/dev set up he didn’t make the Leinster u19 team last year

Locke_Lamora · 31-08-2018 6:51pm

Ulster leading 13-7 I think at half time, but Leinster look a much more settled side to me.

Leinster side: 1. Milne 2. McKee 3. Solonoa 7. Penny 10. Hawkshaw 12. Ryan 23. Turner 14. O’sullivan

Locke_Lamora · 31-08-2018 6:56pm

Some random thoughts

Ulster:
Scored an excellent try off a back line move. Sexton ran it in and looked very very quick. I find it hilarious that Lowry is playing 12 instead of Houston who probably has a bigger frame than Hume. The 14 and 15 has been poor defensively, Leinster should really look to attack that wing. Mau’u looks impressive. Not the biggest guy but he’s carrying excellently - hope he’s not just here for a gap year or something. Curtis has a very nice pass and he’s tackled excellently.

Locke_Lamora · 31-08-2018 7:01pm

Leinster:
Milne and Solonoa were impressive, but came off in the 1st half. I can see why Leinster took a punt on Solonoa - carried well and looks possibly slightly bigger than Milne. Penny looks strong I’m eveuthing he does - carrying, tackling, rucking. Hawkshaw’s controlled the game well enough - some nice miss passes

I can see why McKee seems to be focusing on hooker. Doesn’t have a huge frame and doesn’t look as powerful as the likes of Callum Reid.

Locke_Lamora · 31-08-2018 7:26pm

20-7 I think. Lowry’s been the stand out. Some great offloads and a fantastic break from his own half to set up the try.

Locke_Lamora · 31-08-2018 7:39pm

20-12 it ended

Paul Smeenus · 31-08-2018 7:48pm

Locke_Lamora wrote: »

Ulster leading 13-7 I think at half time, but Leinster look a much more settled side to me.

Leinster side: 1. Milne 2. McKee 3. Solonoa 7. Penny 10. Hawkshaw 12. Ryan 23. Turner 14. O’sullivan

Jonnyfootball wrote: »

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Ulster Development / U20 squad to play Leinster, Friday 31st August (6.00pm) at Malone RFC:

Iwan Hughes, Ben McCaughey, James Hume, Michael Lowry, Aaron Sexton, Bruce Houston, Graham Curtis;
Peter Cooper, Zack McCall, Paul McGookin, Jack Regan, Bradley Luney, Joe Dunleavy, Matthew Agnew, Jonah Mau'u.

Replacements: Patrick Nixon, Rodney Ah You, Aziz Nasser, JJ McKee, Marcus Rea, Michael Stronge, Robbie Johnston, Oisin Kiernan, Campbell Classon.

Can’t help but think what Patrick Nixon is doing in an ulster academy/dev set up he didn’t make the Leinster u19 team last year

Beating Leinster?

Ireland Under 20 2019 6 Nations and World Championships

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