Ireland Under 20 2019 6 Nations and World Championships

The Lost Sheep

Ireland finished 11th in the 2018 Junior World Championships following a poor world championships and a 6 nations where we had finished 3rd just ahead of Wales and Scotland but considerably behind England and France.

Charlie Ryan, Harry Byrne, James McCarthy, Dylan Tierney are eligible again for under 20s having played in the world championships in 2018
The 2019 Junior World Cup takes place in Argentina and the groups are below(based upon seedings from the 2018 competition)

France/Argentina/Wales/winner of trophy
England/Australia/Italy/Ireland
South Africa/New Zealand/Georgia/Scotland

Dubinusa

We were terrible in the past 2 rwc. Hopefully there is some better talent coming through.
Although, I think the coaching may have played a role in our lackluster performances.
Absolute horror show defensively.

Locke_Lamora

Obviously too early to call but does anyone have any opinions on best possible team, or a few standouts to watch out for in club rugby over the next year?

The Lost Sheep

Locke_Lamora wrote: »

Obviously too early to call but does anyone have any opinions on best possible team, or a few standouts to watch out for in club rugby over the next year?

Obviously the under 19s Who played up will be top prospects. But early to say but look at the season s 19s as many will be there or there abouts.

Chico Flores

Liam Turner joining Lansdowne

academyfan0

Locke_Lamora wrote: »

Obviously too early to call but does anyone have any opinions on best possible team, or a few standouts to watch out for in club rugby over the next year?

Something like this:

1. Callum Reid(Ulster)
2. Billy Scannell(Munster)
3. Michael Milne(Leinster)
4. Ryan Baird(Leinster)
5. Charles Ryan(Leinster)
6. Martin Moloney(Leinster)
7. Scott Penny(Leinster)
8. Azur Allison(Ulster)
9. Cormac Foley(Leinster)
10. David Hawkshaw(Leinster)
11. Liam Turner(Leinster)
12. Stewart Moore(Ulster)
13. Sean French(Munster)
14. Aaron O'Sullivan(Leinster)
15. Jonathan Wren(Munster)

IMO it's probably about the same as last season talent wise.

Munster stronger, Leinster probably about the same, Ulster weaker, Connacht stronger.

Chico Flores

Hugo Lennox joining Clontarf

Harryclaim

My 23 would be
1 reid (if he plays)
2 Tierney
3 Milne
4 Baird
5 Ryan
6 Niall Murray
7 penny
8 Allison
9 Casey
10 Byrne
11 turner
12 Moore
13 French
14 any of Phillips/osullivan/mccarthy
15 wren
16 scannell
17 McKee
18 Clarkson
19 ahern
20 clohessy
21 foley
22 hawkshaw (10 and 12 cover)
23 Conor Hayes

academyfan0

LH Props
Callum Reid(Ulster)
John McKee(Ulster) - u19
Josh Wycherley(Munster)
Donnacha Mescal(Leinster)
Niall McEniff(Leinster)
Daragh Bolger(Leinster)

TH Props
Michael Milne(Leinster)
Thomas Clarkson(Leinster) - u19
Luke Masters(Munster)

Hookers
Dylan Tierney(Connacht)
Billy Scannell(Munster)
Claytan Milligan(Ulster)

Locks
Charles Ryan(Leinster)
Ryan Baird(Leinster)
Niall Murray(Connacht)
Tom Ahern(Munster) - u19

Harryclaim

academyfan0 wrote: »

LH Props
Callum Reid(Ulster)
John McKee(Ulster) - u19
Josh Wycherley(Munster)
Donnacha Mescal(Leinster)
Niall McEniff(Leinster)
Daragh Bolger(Leinster)

TH Props
Michael Milne(Leinster)
Thomas Clarkson(Leinster) - u19
Luke Masters(Munster)

Hookers
Dylan Tierney(Connacht)
Billy Scannell(Munster)
Claytan Milligan(Ulster)

Locks
Charles Ryan(Leinster)
Ryan Baird(Leinster)
Niall Murray(Connacht)
Tom Ahern(Munster) - u19

Ryan lomas will be knocking about at th too , this age groups one weakness would be depth at backrow although 2 of there best players are penny and Allison

Rugby123innow

Hawkshaw going OB

ArmchairQB

Rugby123innow wrote: »

Hawkshaw going OB

Crosbie starting 10 at OB and no promotion to 1a possible for them for 3 years with new IRFU rules coming in possible Crosbie goes to centre

Rugby123innow

James Mc court also along with Sean cribbin

Harryclaim

Rugby123innow wrote: »

James Mc court also along with Sean cribbin

McCourt very average wasn’t great for suttonians u20 last year

RockBoysarewii

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Crosbie starting 10 at OB and no promotion to 1a possible for them for 3 years with new IRFU rules coming in possible Crosbie goes to centre

What new ruling?

ArmchairQB

RockBoysarewii wrote: »

What new ruling?

IRFU are changing format of league for 2019/20
Their current proposal that they say will be implemented is to have a Premier 1 & 2 made up of 8 teams each with playoffs. With at least 2 teams from each province represented within both divisions. The proposal so far would mean that the top 8 finishers next season are in Prem 1 with 2 dropping to Prem 2 and 4 dropping from prem 2 to what is crrentlly 2a. there will have to be 2 connacht and 2 ulster clubs in Prem 2 so further teams from Leinster & Munster will be dropped to 2A to accomadate as no Ulster or Connacht club in 1a next year so cant qualify for Prem 1. Will be messy if they get their way and some clubs will suffer Ob right on that fringe with Naas, Wesley, Mary's etc. Tarf recruiting a gazillion players to make sure they are safe so expect alot of them not to get the game time they are expecting this year I have heard so their 2 houses must be full at this stage.Terenure recruiting well, Lansdowne heard not to active after early moves for Harry Byrne & Dave O'Connor, Marys loosing a few, Belvo with Crosbie and others back in the frame will be strong in 1b this year but Leinster teams will need to be in top 4 of 1b to guarantee Prem 2 the following year. All very messy and a few intresting weeks and months ahead. No doubt plenty of movement ahead dont see many 20s playing AIL 1a this year outside of new academy entrants, sub academy lads will struggle altough one or two could suprise.

The Lost Sheep

Leinster u20 JP Fanagan qualifying leagues fixtures up online
Premier 1 Qualifiers
Section A
Lansdowne, Navan, MU Barnhall
Section B
UCD, Marys, Belvedere
Section C
Trinity, Wesley, Blackrock
Section D
Clontarf, Greystones, Terenure
Premier 2 Qualifiers
Section A
Suttonians, Old Belvedere, Naas
Section B
Buccaneers, Seapoint, Galwegians
Section C
Trinity, Coolmine, Bective
Section D
Skerries, NUIG

D14Rugby

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Leinster u20 JP Fanagan qualifying leagues fixtures up online
Premier 1 Qualifiers
Section A
Lansdowne, Navan, MU Barnhall
Section B
UCD, Marys, Belvedere
Section C
Trinity, Wesley, Blackrock
Section D
Clontarf, Greystones, Terenure
Premier 2 Qualifiers
Section A
Suttonians, Old Belvedere, Naas
Section B
Buccaneers, Seapoint, Galwegians
Section C
Trinity, Coolmine, Bective
Section D
Skerries, NUIG

3 instead of 4 this year? Some teams drop out?

The Lost Sheep

D14Rugby wrote: »

3 instead of 4 this year? Some teams drop out?

No idea. Just posted info as I saw it. Possibly less teams want to qualify for premier division or want face top sides and get a hammering. Could be larger number of clubs in 3rd division this season

D14Rugby

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

No idea. Just posted info as I saw it. Possibly less teams want to qualify for premier division or want face top sides and get a hammering. Could be larger number of clubs in 3rd division this season

Yeah looks like less teams going for prem 1 with Suttonians,NUIG,Naas,Buccs all just goin for prem 2. No Tarf or UCD seconds either

The Lost Sheep

D14Rugby wrote: »

Yeah looks like less teams going for prem 1 with Suttonians,NUIG,Naas,Buccs all just goin for prem 2. No Tarf or UCD seconds either

None of them were in Prem 2 this year so perhaps just feel better to stay in division 3. Trinity u20s 2nds have generally been that bit stronger than other clubs so they'll stay in qualifiers.

Chico Flores

Adam Corcoran going to Lansdowne

Heymans

Chico Flores wrote: »

Adam Corcoran going to Lansdowne

Catleknock 7? Top class.

Chico Flores

Heymans wrote: »

Catleknock 7? Top class.

I believe that they also have signed Liam Turner and Paddy McKenzie (Ireland u18s 10 from last season)

James Kenny is underage for them too.

Chico Flores

Charlie Ward from Tullow gone to Clontarf.

They are bringing in lots of talent to an already good team

hoodor

wonder where Milne, Baird and Penny end up.

stellenbosch

Chico Flores wrote: »

Charlie Ward from Tullow gone to Clontarf.

They are bringing in lots of talent to an already good team

Zach Satar from CBC also joining Tarf

Chico Flores

hoodor wrote: »

wonder where Milne, Baird and Penny end up.

AIL 1A/1B team. I believe that is a min for academy players.

Harryclaim

Chico Flores wrote: »

I believe that they also have signed Liam Turner and Paddy McKenzie (Ireland u18s 10 from last season)

James Kenny is underage for them too.

What is the obsession with James Kenny on this? Granted he had a good sct campaign and got a reward in a u19 cap out of it but he’s never proven himself at a provincial level and is extremely overrated by people on this

Chico Flores

Harryclaim wrote: »

What is the obsession with James Kenny on this? Granted he had a good sct campaign and got a reward in a u19 cap out of it but he’s never proven himself at a provincial level and is extremely overrated by people on this

I think he has been unlucky with injuries. He is something that most Leinster 9s don't have, big and fast.

FrannoFan

Harryclaim wrote: »

What is the obsession with James Kenny on this? Granted he had a good sct campaign and got a reward in a u19 cap out of it but he’s never proven himself at a provincial level and is extremely overrated by people on this

Not sure anyone has been "over rating" him. I just think people felt he looked a prospect in school but haven't seen a lot of him since

Harryclaim

FrannoFan wrote: »

Not sure anyone has been "over rating" him. I just think people felt he looked a prospect in school but haven't seen a lot of him since

He had a couple of good games for a side that over achieved not sure he was ever much of a prospect for the next level , don’t forget he got shown up by Patterson in the semi

Harryclaim

FrannoFan wrote: »

Not sure anyone has been "over rating" him. I just think people felt he looked a prospect in school but haven't seen a lot of him since

He had a couple of good games for a side that over achieved not sure he was ever much of a prospect for the next level , don’t forget he got shown up by Patterson in the semi

hoodor

Harryclaim wrote: »

He had a couple of good games for a side that over achieved not sure he was ever much of a prospect for the next level , don’t forget he got shown up by Patterson in the semi

and he comfortably outplayed Patterson when Lansdowne u20 met UCD u20 last season.

He certainly was a prospect for an academy position, injury prevented him and Patterson from having a proper competition for that academy place.. Patterson being very lucky to get that spot in the academy.

ultimately it comes down to the position, which is rarely produces prospects of that size/speed and the limited game time Kenny got last season due to injury.

Chico Flores

Anyone have any early predictions of who will go up to Prem 1?

Premier 1 Qualifiers
Section A
Lansdowne, Navan, MU Barnhall -Lansdowne/Barnhall

Section B
UCD, Marys, Belvedere - UCD/Belvo

Section C
Trinity, Wesley, Blackrock - Trinity/Blackrock

Section D
Clontarf, Greystones, Terenure - Clontarf/Terenure

Clontarf to win outright....

ArmchairQB

hoodor wrote: »

wonder where Milne, Baird and Penny end up.

Milne Tarf
Baird Trinity
Penny UCD

Tarf1234

Chico Flores wrote: »

Anyone have any early predictions of who will go up to Prem 1?

Premier 1 Qualifiers
Section A
Lansdowne, Navan, MU Barnhall   -Lansdowne/Barnhall

Section B
UCD, Marys, Belvedere  - UCD/Belvo

Section C
Trinity, Wesley, Blackrock - Trinity/Blackrock

Section D
Clontarf, Greystones, Terenure  - Clontarf/Terenure

Clontarf to win outright....

Agree with your qualifiers. Hard to call so early but think we should give it a good go along with UCD and Lansdowne from what I've heard.

The Lost Sheep

Chico Flores wrote: »

Anyone have any early predictions of who will go up to Prem 1?

Premier 1 Qualifiers
Section A
Lansdowne, Navan, MU Barnhall -Lansdowne/Barnhall

Section B
UCD, Marys, Belvedere - UCD/Belvo

Section C
Trinity, Wesley, Blackrock - Trinity/Blackrock

Section D
Clontarf, Greystones, Terenure - Clontarf/Terenure

Clontarf to win outright....

Predictions for premier 1 are about right but far too early to be discussing overall winner. Sure you dont know for some clubs what numbers will be like and who they have playing for them

D14Rugby

Cant really predict winners until lc points and cao offers as they'll have an impact on squads.
Wesley/Rock and Marys/Belvo seem the main ones up for contention for qualifying though but again depends on who they get in

stellenbosch

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Milne Tarf
Baird Trinity
Penny UCD

If Baird does go to DUFC it will be some 2nd row pairing in Dunne and himself

ArmchairQB

stellenbosch wrote: »

If Baird does go to DUFC it will be some 2nd row pairing in Dunne and himself

Not good for Trinity with both of them missing so much time withn 20s. Likely to be one the favourites to fall out of top 10 in 1a if league goes to 8 teams if IRFU plan goes ahead

stellenbosch

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Not good for Trinity with both of them missing so much time withn 20s. Likely to be one the favourites to fall out of top 10 in 1a if league goes to 8 teams if IRFU plan goes ahead

Dunne not U20 this year however will likely be involved in L A

D14Rugby

Qualifying format makes a lot more sense and is a lot fairer in my opinion just looking at it there

hoodor

stellenbosch wrote: »

Dunne not U20 this year however will likely be involved in L A

Leinster A shouldn't affect him playing for DUFC. But we shall wait and see.

Tarf1234

hoodor wrote: »

Leinster A shouldn't affect him playing for DUFC. But we shall wait and see.

Not sure too many people in any of the clubs are confident in that given Leicesters historical decisions..

hoodor

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Not sure too many people in any of the clubs are confident in that given Leicesters historical decisions..

academy players regularly play for their club.

The Lost Sheep

Leinster u20s squad

Props

Michael Milne
Thomas clarkson
Roman salanoa
Niall mceniff
Giuseppe Coyne
Chris Hennessy

Hookers

Richie bergin
Declan adamson
John mckee
Sean moloney

Second rows
Ryan Baird
Matthew Healy
Charlie Ryan

Back rows
Ronan watters
Alan francis
Reubin pim
Scott Penney
Ruadhan byron
Mark fleming
Gerard hill
Michael mcgagh
Martin moloney

Scrum halves
Cormac Foley
Louis o Reilly
James kenney

Out half’s
David hawkshaw
James tarrant
David Moran

Centres
David ryan
Eoin Barr
Liam turner
Jay Barron

Back 3
Hugo Conway
Aaron o Sullivan
Rory shields
Patrick oppermann
Sean galvin
Rob Russell
Conor o kelly

Locke_Lamora

Milne, Clarkson, Baird. Penny, Hawkshaw and O'Sullivan would be the ones I'm aware of - any others to really keep an eye on?

John McKee is the Ulster prop was the Irish Schools captain last year, so that'll be interesting to watch. 

Salanoa is the Hawaiian kid. No idea how his transition to rugby has gone so far, but those are good props he's competing against for a spot.

Leinster5

Lansdowne struggling with their recruitment this year from what I've been told from a 20's perspective. Old Belvedere pushing hard at Senior and 20s level.

Blackrock have recruited plenty of big names which makes you wonder. Was told Hawkshaw has joined Clontarf with Baird and Penny going to UCD.

stellenbosch

Leinster5 wrote: »

Lansdowne struggling with their recruitment this year from what I've been told from a 20's perspective. Old Belvedere pushing hard at Senior and 20s level.

Blackrock have recruited plenty of big names which makes you wonder. Was told Hawkshaw has joined Clontarf with Baird and Penny going to UCD.

Baird to Trinity ive heard

ArmchairQB

Leinster5 wrote: »

Lansdowne struggling with their recruitment this year from what I've been told from a 20's perspective. Old Belvedere pushing hard at Senior and 20s level.

Blackrock have recruited plenty of big names which makes you wonder. Was told Hawkshaw has joined Clontarf with Baird and Penny going to UCD.

Belvo will find it difficult again at 20s level more a socila side than serious rugby going on last few years evidence, Rock throwing huge cash around again this year but it is where good 20s players go to die and spend all of it in Coppers ( If only Fergus Slattery knew what was really going on in his club instead of lecturing others). UCD, Trinity, Lansdowne & Tarf likely top 4. If people remember this time last year much the same was said about the clubs above which didn't work out for Rock whop did the same last year, Belvo didn't qualify, Lansdowne won the League, Tarf continued improving & the Colleges blew hot and cold mostly hot but they should be winning the 20s league every year with their resources and scholarships attracting the cream. Tarf and Lansdowne will lead the charge aginst them but not going to be any dramatic changes in top 4 this year except possibly Terenure who can get a good run going as most of the team will have played togetrher all thru school and be that bit ahead come start of the league. They could dislodge a Lansdowne or Tarf team on their day