Ireland Under 20 2019 6 Nations and World Championships

Thermoman12

D14Rugby wrote: »

Think UCD beat Trinity the week before their qualifier. Maybe Belvo were missing a few or just had an off day?

I heard it was pretty close contested until trinity scored like 5 tries in the last 20 minutes

Chico Flores

Lansdowne 26 Belvo 25

D14Rugby

Chico Flores wrote: »

Lansdowne 26 Belvo 25

Belvo must have the worst luck in the league,twice they've lost by a point now.
Any team sheets?

stellenbosch

Chico Flores wrote: »

Who plays in that?

UCC, UCD, Trinity, NUIG, Queens??

Trinity won the Conroy Cup for the 5TH time in a row beating UCD in the final

Ally Bren 92

D14Rugby wrote: »

Belvo must have the worst luck in the league,twice they've lost by a point now.
Any team sheets?

Lansdowne

1-Alex deegan
2-
3-
4-eoin buggy
5-
6-matthew Healy
7-robbie kidney
8-
9-James Kenny
10-Stephen madigan
11-Sean galvin
12-Tom Monaghan
13-brian o donnell
14-
15-David Lynch

Chico Flores

Clontarf 82 Blackrock 7

Chico Flores

Lansdowne Team -


1. Matt Meagher
2 Luke Thompson
3 Alex Deegan
4 Josef Szpara
5 Eoin Buggy
6 Matthew Healy
7 Robbie Kidney
8 Darragh Murphy

9 James Kenny
10 Stephen Madigan
11 Sean Galvin
12 Tom Monaghan
13 Brian O'Donnell
14 Cillian Redmond
15 David Lynch


Belvo Team

1 Gavin Cheung
2 Caoimhghin Bradshaw
3 Cyr Bakekolo
4 Gerard Hill
5 Daniel Beggs
6 Oran OBrien
7 Ethan Baxter
8 Martin Moloney

9 Paraic Cagney
10 Aaron O'Neill
11 Daniel Fitzpatrick
12 Sean Donovan
13 Ben O'Shea
14 Ross Murphy
15 Charlie Allen


Clontarf Team

1 Darragh Bolger
2 Killian Hickey
3 Charlie Ward
4 Fionn Gilbert
5 Brian Deeney
6 Grellan Murray
7 Adam Fleming
8 Ruadhan Byron

9 Mark O'Sullivan
10 Frankie O'Dea
11 Sam Barry
12 Mikey McGriff
13 Darragh Kelly
14 Seni ReillyAshiru
15 Tadhg Bird

Leinster5

Chico Flores wrote: »

Clontarf 82 Blackrock 7

What happened there? Was told that Blackrock had a strong enough side this year

Chico Flores

Two games yesterday

Trinity 41 UCD 17
Terenure 31 Barnhall 22

Was in watching my mates in marathon and strolling home I decided to watch the Terenure Barnhall game. Terenure won with bonus point but barnhall the better side.

They have a savage pack and scrum, just let down in the backs. Whereas Terenure got into barnhall 22 5 times and got 4 tries and a penalty.

Terenure 9 and 13 pick of their lot.

Barnhall second rows and their 13 their pick

Good game though. Well played and well reffed.

The Lost Sheep

Munster league proper are starting next weekend
u20 Donal Walsh Trophy
Young Munster, Cork Con, Garryowen, UCC, Shannon
u20 Donal Walsh Plate
UCC Bloodhounds, Bruff, Old Crescent, UL Bohs

Shame the Munster branch havent done more to develop another tier for more non city clubs.

ArmchairQB

Leinster5 wrote: »

What happened there? Was told that Blackrock had a strong enough side this year

Heard that they play them AIlL one week 20s the next week and target which games they think they could win, hasn’t worked for them or Belvo despite the “resources” they have put into it.

There was supposed to be a new rule that when a team scored more than 50 on a 20s opponent they were declared winners

D14Rugby

Chico Flores wrote: »

Two games yesterday

Trinity 41 UCD 17
Terenure 31 Barnhall 22

Was in watching my mates in marathon and strolling home I decided to watch the Terenure Barnhall game. Terenure won with bonus point but barnhall the better side.

They have a savage pack and scrum, just let down in the backs. Whereas Terenure got into barnhall 22 5 times and got 4 tries and a penalty.

Terenure 9 and 13 pick of their lot.

Barnhall second rows and their 13 their pick

Good game though. Well played and well reffed.

I hear the Trinity UCD game was actually quite close but some yellow cards for UCD and quick tries for Trinity just killed off any UCD spirit.

Trinity seem to be going very well, them vs Tarf will be very very interesting.

Also hear Terenure got the bonus point and a 20 point lead before getting a yellow during which Barnhall scored a couple of tries which put a gloss on the score from their perspective.

Chico Flores

D14Rugby wrote: »

I hear the Trinity UCD game was actually quite close but some yellow cards for UCD and quick tries for Trinity just killed off any UCD spirit.

Trinity seem to be going very well, them vs Tarf will be very very interesting.

Also hear Terenure got the bonus point and a 20 point lead before getting a yellow during which Barnhall scored a couple of tries which put a gloss on the score from their perspective.

Wouldn't necessarily agree on Terenure, don't remember them getting a yellow mind.

Barnhall were game and had a massive scrum. Just lacked the threat or talent I suppose. Terenure were about 20 up alright but as I Said I just thought they were much more clinical.

It was 28-22 with 15 to go.

D14Rugby

Chico Flores wrote: »

Wouldn't necessarily agree on Terenure, don't remember them getting a yellow mind.

Barnhall were game and had a massive scrum. Just lacked the threat or talent I suppose. Terenure were about 20 up alright but as I Said I just thought they were much more clinical.

It was 28-22 with 15 to go.

Friend that was there said Terenure went 28-8 then their 10 got a yellow around 25 left and during those 10 minutes Barnhall scored and converted twice. Apparently the scrum was only going one way all game and Barnhall were the bigger team but had no plan B just tried to outmuscle Terenure the whole game

Chico Flores

D14Rugby wrote: »

Friend that was there said Terenure went 28-8 then their 10 got a yellow around 25 left and during those 10 minutes Barnhall scored and converted twice. Apparently the scrum was only going one way all game and Barnhall were the bigger team but had no plan B just tried to outmuscle Terenure the whole game

That's prob about right to be fair. I have no dog in the fight. Was just killing the afternoon.

No plan from barnhall bar forwards or give It to the 13.

Chico Flores

So in reality it looks like

Blackrock 8th
Barnhall 7th
Belvo 6th
Terenure 5th
UCD 4th (assume they will get it together)
Lansdowne 3rd

And Tarf and Trinity square off for 1/2

D14Rugby

Chico Flores wrote: »

That's prob about right to be fair. I have no dog in the fight. Was just killing the afternoon.

No plan from barnhall bar forwards or give It to the 13.

I wasn't there so I don't know for sure but just from the sounds of it it was forwards vs backs, I do know losing your 10 can be a big obstacle to overcome though so would explain a rough patch in the game

Chico Flores wrote: »

So in reality it looks like

Blackrock 8th
Barnhall 7th
Belvo 6th
Terenure 5th
UCD 4th (assume they will get it together)
Lansdowne 3rd

And Tarf and Trinity square off for 1/2

I'd probably say that's around right, could probably make 3 interchangeable groups of Rock Barnhall, Terenure Belvo UCD Lansdowne, Tarf Trinity and everyone in the groups would be pretty interchangeable. Battle for 3rf and 4th will be exciting by looks of it.

Leinster5

Chico Flores wrote: »

So in reality it looks like

Blackrock 8th
Barnhall 7th
Belvo 6th
Terenure 5th
UCD 4th (assume they will get it together)
Lansdowne 3rd

And Tarf and Trinity square off for 1/2

To be honest, it is way too early to suggest a potential league standing. There obviously is the Top 2, with Lansdowne looking solid but I'd almost argue the other 5 are all battling for Top 4. I'd also back Blackrock to finish 7th or 6th with the talent they apparently have. Navan were a shambles years ago only to go on a great run post Christmas. Clontarf last year also upped it a gear or two after Christmas it seemed last year.

Wegians89

Do the Irish u 20s have a training came around this time like the u18s or do they wait till Christmas time?

The Lost Sheep

Wegians89 wrote: »

Do the Irish u 20s have a training came around this time like the u18s or do they wait till Christmas time?

They'll have had some camps already and will have more then some warm up games like usual around christmas with provincial sides likely opponents like previous years

Wegians89

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

They'll have had some camps already and will have more then some warm up games like usual around christmas with provincial sides likely opponents like previous years

No named squads at this stage though?

The Lost Sheep

Wegians89 wrote: »

No named squads at this stage though?

No

D14Rugby

Leinster5 wrote: »

To be honest, it is way too early to suggest a potential league standing. There obviously is the Top 2, with Lansdowne looking solid but I'd almost argue the other 5 are all battling for Top 4. I'd also back Blackrock to finish 7th or 6th with the talent they apparently have. Navan were a shambles years ago only to go on a great run post Christmas. Clontarf last year also upped it a gear or two after Christmas it seemed last year.

Most of Rocks better 20s players are up with their first XV so unless they've a game on a weekend of no AIL I'd say the chances of them playing for them are slim, nevermind playing for them enough to turn around their season from where they'll be challenging the others week in week out

The Lost Sheep

D14Rugby wrote: »

Most of Rocks better 20s players are up with their first XV so unless they've a game on a weekend of no AIL I'd say the chances of them playing for them are slim, nevermind playing for them enough to turn around their season from where they'll be challenging the others week in week out

They dont have that many 20s playing AIL judging by quick glance at their teamsheets of previous few AIL games.

Orange panda

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

They dont have that many 20s playing AIL judging by quick glance at their teamsheets of previous few AIL games.

Rock have 8 players (all forwards) that are legible to play for the under 20s to have played first XV rugby in the AIL already and that's not including Adam Lamour (Injured I believe) who started multiple games for the Firsts last year

Chico Flores

Orange panda wrote: »

Rock have 8 players (all forwards) that are legible to play for the under 20s to have played first XV rugby in the AIL already and that's not including Adam Lamour (Injured I believe) who started multiple games for the Firsts last year

Given (more or less) their 20s season isn't going to go anywhere.

I imagine they will all focus on the 1s?

Leinster5

Orange panda wrote: »

Rock have 8 players (all forwards) that are legible to play for the under 20s to have played first XV rugby in the AIL already and that's not including Adam Lamour (Injured I believe) who started multiple games for the Firsts last year

Andrew Savage, Steve McLoughlin, Joe Byrne, Conan Dunne, Jack Stapleton, Dan Foley, James Burke, Adam Larmour and Alan Francis have all been involved with the AIL side in the last few weeks according to their Twitter page and are all U20. Must be frustrating for their 20s as that's more or less strongest pack at that level, especially with Byrne.

Wonder what Premier 1 club loses least players to AIL side each week.

Leinster5

Blackrock vs Terenure - Terenure by 8-10 points
Trinity vs Lansdowne - Trinity by 12+ points
Old Belvedere vs Clontarf - Clontarf by 15+ points
UCD vs Barnhall - UCD by 14+ points

Eod100

Fixtures Out

Friday, 1st February, 2019 Ireland U20s v England U20s, Irish Independent Park, 7.15pm

Friday, 8th February, 2019, Scotland U20s v Ireland U20s, Gala RFC. 7:30pm

Friday 22nd Febraury 2019, Italy U20s v Ireland U20s, Rieti, 6:00pm (Irish time)

Friday,8th March, 2019 Ireland U20s v France U20s, Irish Independent Park, 7.15pm

Friday, 15th March, 2019 Wales U20s v Ireland U20s, Zip World Stadium, 7:05pm


https://www.sixnationsrugby.com/en/u20/under_20_6_nations_match_centre.php?includeref=444&season=2018-2019

Dubinusa

Anyone got any idea as to what the squad willbe?

Tomtomfoolery

Dubinusa wrote: »

Anyone got any idea as to what the squad willbe?

2nd camp starts next week. A "whittling away" process will likely commence soon after

Chico Flores

UCD Team v Barnhall


1 -Christopher Hennessy
2: Bobby Sheehan
3 - Michael Milne
4 Conor Moore
5 Corr Rory
6 Robin Stokes
7 Mark Fleming
8 Cian Reilly
9 Shane Murphy
10 David Moran
11 Alex O Grady
12 Jay Barron
13 David Ryan
14 Aaron O Sullivan
15 Luke Maloney

Chico Flores

UCD 27 - Barnhall 22 (from looking at table Barnhall got double bonus)

Trinity 32 - Lansdowne 23

Belvo 20 - Clontarf 36

Blackrock 14 Terenure 31

sellit90000

If Milne can't hold up scrum the options at tighthead looking pretty thin, Thomas Clarkson and ?

Thermoman12

sellit90000 wrote: »

If Milne can't hold up scrum the options at tighthead looking pretty thin, Thomas Clarkson and ?

Milne is the biggest prop I’ve seen at u20 level in a long time, he was the size of a professional prop when he was only 16!

sellit90000

Thermoman12 wrote: »

Milne is the biggest prop I’ve seen at u20 level in a long time, he was the size of a professional prop when he was only 16!

Andrew Porter was bigger at u20 level.

Milne got too big while at Roscrea in 5th year, wasn't as explosive or mobile and was more injury prone.

Has relatively slimmed down now, has struggled at TH for UCD U20 since moving back there post Leinster A involvement.

BlueAndWh1te

Porter doesn't count. He's bigger than everyone

Heymans

BlueAndWh1te wrote: »

Porter doesn't count. He's bigger than everyone

He also can't hold up his side of the scrum.

sellit90000

BlueAndWh1te wrote: »

Porter doesn't count. He's bigger than everyone

smaller now than he was as a u20.

Thermoman12

BlueAndWh1te wrote: »

Porter doesn't count. He's bigger than everyone

There’s pictures at Andrew porter at u20 level and there’s pictures of Milne at school level, When Andrew porter was at u20 level, Michael Milne was even bigger than him when he was still in school

kingofthekong

Anyone wanna take a stab at a likely first xv when everyones fit?, I dont know the squad well enough to do it

sellit90000

Thermoman12 wrote: »

There’s pictures at Andrew porter at u20 level and there’s pictures of Milne at school level, When Andrew porter was at u20 level, Michael Milne was even bigger than him when he was still in school

he really wasn't Porter was 125kg+ nearing 130kg at u20 level.

Thermoman12

Thermoman12 wrote: »

There’s pictures at Andrew porter at u20 level and there’s pictures of Milne at school level, When Andrew porter was at u20 level, Michael Milne was even bigger than him when he was still in school

https://goo.gl/images/btmmbB
https://goo.gl/images/iVEYvN
https://goo.gl/images/Etp1yQ
https://goo.gl/images/x7SsWV

sellit90000

convenient that you didn't pick the picture of Porter at the JWC, shame i can't post links.

sellit90000

kingofthekong wrote: »

Anyone wanna take a stab at a likely first xv when everyones fit?, I dont know the squad well enough to do it

1. Michael Milne
2. Billy Scannell
3. Thomas Clarkson
4. Ryan Baird
5. Charlie Ryan
6. Niall Murray
7. Scott Penny
8. Azur Allison
9. Cormac Foley
10. Harry Byrne
11. Aaron O'Sullivan
12. David Hawkshaw
13. Sean French
14. Liam Turner
15. Jonathan Wren

expect Stewart Moore and Angus Kernohan to be needed by Ulster.

Thermoman12

sellit90000 wrote: »

convenient that you didn't pick the picture of Porter at the JWC, shame i can't post links.

Milne isn’t at that stage yet, he’s just out of school, which is why I didn’t post the picture of porter at jwc

Thermoman12

sellit90000 wrote: »

1. Michael Milne
2. Billy Scannell
3. Thomas Clarkson
4. Ryan Baird
5. Charlie Ryan
6. Niall Murray
7. Scott Penny
8. Azur Allison
9. Cormac Foley
10. Harry Byrne
11. Aaron O'Sullivan
12. David Hawkshaw
13. Sean French
14. Liam Turner
15. Jonathan Wren

expect Stewart Moore and Angus Kernohan to be needed by Ulster.

Who do you think will be captain and vice captains? A few former schools cup captains in that team

sellit90000

Thermoman12 wrote: »

Milne isn’t at that stage yet, he’s just out of school, which is why I didn’t post the picture of porter at jwc

you were saying Milne was bigger in school than Porter at that stage, he was not and will not be allowed to get that big.

He is smaller/lighter now than when he got too big in school.

sellit90000

Thermoman12 wrote: »

Who do you think will be captain and vice captains?

Penny maybe, I dunno, would be utter guess work

Thermoman12

sellit90000 wrote: »

Penny maybe, I dunno, would be utter guess work

Wouldn’t say it’s him considering he never captained Leinster at inter pros or his school team, great player tho