Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)

Sparks · 16-01-2019 3:51pm

I dunno Cass, growing up we didn't call it toxic masculinity, we called it being a prick and you weren't supposed to do it because, well, it was being a prick.

But today's kids wear lumberjack shirts and coiffed hairdos and talk about how a woman's place is in the home and make out like *thats* what we're supposed to do.

Dunno about you but I don't coiff my hair, I don't wear canadian cosplay outfits when chopping wood, and my mom would have given them a right hiding for the way they talk.

So toxic seems to fit.

And honestly? I'll take that ad over them putting a vibrator in a razor. I mean, lads, if I wanted to shave with a sex toy... well, I don't think I could tick the "mental health" box on my FCA1 for a start.

Cass · 16-01-2019 4:59pm

Sparks wrote: »

I dunno Cass, growing up we didn't call it toxic masculinity, we called it being a prick and you weren't supposed to do it because, well, it was being a prick.

Well then call it being a prick and not toxic masculinity.

Masculinity itself is not toxic but if you continue attaching wife beating, bigotry, sexism, and everything else that is bad to being masculine it is disingenuous, erroneous and harmful.

This is a consequence of upbringing. Kids today never hear the word no, are given credit just for participating, are being confused and mislead with all the talk about gender identity, etc, etc.

Some stats about kids without Fathers:

63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes
90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes
85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes
80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes
71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes
Fatherless children are twice as likely to drop out of school.
Children with Fathers who are involved are 40% less likely to repeat a grade in school.
Children with Fathers who are involved are 70% less likely to drop out of school.
Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to get A’s in school.
Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to enjoy school and engage in extracurricular activities.
75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes.

I'm not saying there are traits that could do with being eliminated, but that is a case of teaching, showing, and educating. Labeling all masculinity as toxic is a farce, and an easy cop out.

Sparks · 16-01-2019 5:04pm

I think their point of calling it "toxic masculinity" instead of "masculinity" is that if you think things like wifebeating are a part of "masculinity" then your idea of masculine is pretty toxic. And wasn't the point of the ad that those things are not what it means to be masculine?

I mean, I don't see where all the fuss is coming from. Ad says "these ****heads are not what it means to be masculine, being masculine is something better and is a positive thing". We used to just say "these ****heads are ****heads, don't be a ****head". Same difference really.

Sparks · 16-01-2019 5:04pm

I think their point of calling it "toxic masculinity" instead of "masculinity" is that if you think things like wifebeating are a part of "masculinity" then your idea of masculine is pretty toxic. And wasn't the point of the ad that those things are not what it means to be masculine?

I mean, I don't see where all the fuss is coming from. Ad says "these ****heads are not what it means to be masculine, being masculine is something better and is a positive thing". We used to just say "these ****heads are ****heads, don't be a ****head". Same difference really.

Cass · 16-01-2019 6:18pm

I don't know if its my computer or the site, but it's taken ages to get a reply written/posted and then i'm getting duplicate post notices when i don't post it twice.

Anywho.

Kids play fighting has happened since the dawn of time. However they lump that into a man either going to or just after grabbing a woman's ass. the two are not connected. I mean one is playing and the other is sexual assault.

The ad doesn't affect me, or even bother to the point i think about it, i just find it slightly annoying that a company that caters almost exclusively to men (or at least men are the majority of its market share) would go the same route as Man size tissues, and Yorkies.

My original point was also not so much about the advert, i was simply citing it as another example of trotting out it's men's fault, but that masculinity is a fault, but feminism cannot be called toxic. It's akin to some i've heard saying blacks cannot be racist, or whites are inherently racist simply because we're white.

It's a broad sweeping and incorrect assumption, as per the video i linked above, based on no evidence and is another example of identity politics.

Anyway, it's not that important, just shooting the breeze.

Cass · 16-01-2019 6:46pm

On to funnier stuff.

Anyone see this new "craze" of the bird box challenge? In case you're not aware there is a "film" (i use the term loosely) on Netflix called Bird Box. Without giving too much away

there is an unknown force that if seen will kill you

. In one scene the people have to travel to a shop but

without being able to see (as they're blindfolded) so they use the sat nav to navigate their way.

The new craze is now for people to wear a blindfold and drive.

Seriously, you couldn't make this sh*t up.

Next craze will probably be Russian Roulette with a semi auto. :rolleyes:

It's true what they say, you don't have to kill stupid people, just remove the warning label and let nature takes it's course.

Grizzly 45 · 16-01-2019 7:29pm

The bird box...What a POS film made from a pretty good novel. But then again in an age where teenagers last year were eating soap detergent laundry pods, or burning themselves on cooker hot plates, or inhaling condoms up their noses [Pity their parents never used one for its intended function:rolleyes:]as a challenge...
Maybe this year it will be the "feel the burn!" challenge? Or the "the industrial wood chipper" challenge? Or the most difficult one the, "Get some ****in basic cop on will ya, you fool??" challenge.

Seriously Back in 1950 the Twilight zone had a story about a guy who was put in suspended animation in the 1950s and woke up in the 2050s to find he is the smartest guy on the planet!He finds himself in a world inhabited by sub IQ beings. Think they were out by fifty years. It is happening sooner than we think. Stupidity is contagious.

Grizzly 45 · 16-01-2019 7:44pm

@MODS..Yes there is something going on with the site.I had to delete a double post, and excuse the "Mac Guiverd" post as it won't allow editing of a previously posted post for some reason.

Grizzly 45 · 17-01-2019 2:46pm

Was having a look at that Gillette ad again last night.Odd that all the "bad man examples" in it are all WHITE guys.:rolleyes:

Proctor&Gamble who own Gilette, are the last company to be trying "virtue signalling".Still, they have now got free global advertising of their brand name with this one ad, that would have cost millions doing it via an NYC 5th Ave advertising agency. Should keep the shareholders happy this year.;) Cos in the end that's all its about.

deezell · 17-01-2019 5:46pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Was having a look at that Gillette ad again last night.Odd that all the "bad man examples" in it are all WHITE guys.:rolleyes:

Proctor&Gamble who own Gilette, are the last company to be trying "virtue signalling".Still, they have now got free global advertising of their brand name with this one ad, that would have cost millions doing it via an NYC 5th Ave advertising agency. Should keep the shareholders happy this year.;) Cos in the end that's all its about.

They couldn't give a monkey's about meetoo or any of that, just jumping on rhe bandwagon to sell razor blades.

Cass · 17-01-2019 11:37pm

I see our unelected leader shut down Kildare street to prevent the "Not My Taoiseach" march/protest. AGS fenced off the place (funny everyone in America says fences don't work) and demanded ID.

Not sure what Act it is but ID does not have to be produced within the state unless a member of AGS believe or have witnessed you committing an offence.

That aside between the millions spent on propaganda and shutting down any sort of opposition does anyone think he is overstepping his mark?

On another note two convicted sexual predators, one a horrible (burn in hell you rotten bastard) paedophile were allowed to walk from court with probation or suspended sentences yet Ben Gilroy sent away for 3 months for contempt which he got by calling the court names.

We're doing well aren't we? :rolleyes:

18-01-2019 4:52am

Sparks wrote: »

But today's kids wear lumberjack shirts and coiffed hairdos and talk about how a woman's place is in the home and make out like *thats* what we're supposed to do.

This is the most hilariously idiotic strawman I've ever seen. I feel that it has to be sarcastic, but in the context of your other posts....

BattleCorp · 18-01-2019 10:07am

Sparks wrote: »

I think their point of calling it "toxic masculinity" instead of "masculinity" is that if you think things like wifebeating are a part of "masculinity" then your idea of masculine is pretty toxic. And wasn't the point of the ad that those things are not what it means to be masculine?

I mean, I don't see where all the fuss is coming from. Ad says "these ****heads are not what it means to be masculine, being masculine is something better and is a positive thing". We used to just say "these ****heads are ****heads, don't be a ****head". Same difference really.

In light of their newfound dislike of toxic masculinity, I wonder do Gillette still advocate this type of sponsorship? I'm all for it by the way.

Grizzly 45 · 18-01-2019 2:37pm

Why does Aerosmith's "Dude, looks like a lady!*" spring instantly to mind on looking at that pic? Turns around and "she" has a full-length ZZTop style beard!:eek::D:D These days you never know!!!:D

*For the permanently offended out there. Dude was written long before gender was any sort of an issue,and it has nothing to do with slagging off CDs.Steven Tyler mistook one of the band members of Motley crue,for a woman in a bar back in the big hair days of the 1980s.

stigmau5 · 19-01-2019 5:22pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBNB1cFLGkM

deezell · 25-01-2019 2:55pm

New car recovery business. Are these guys having a laugh?
http://www.cameltow.ie/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8PGBiYmJ4AIVGeXtCh2WvgjrEAEYASAAEgKCYvD_BwE

Uinseann_16 · 25-01-2019 5:00pm

stigmau5 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBNB1cFLGkM

Thats hard to watch:p, Just a though i very much doubt those lads both had a licence on that .22 plus their target shooting on a unauthorized range.
Now im not saying i care , but thats up for all to see including AGS:rolleyes:

aaakev · 25-01-2019 5:17pm

stigmau5 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBNB1cFLGkM

Jesus christ..... who gave you a rifle? That is probably one of the dumbest things iv seen in a long time. Bushes as a backstop???? 5.17 you can see the ricochet go straight through the bush above and right of the target.

Do everyone a favour and stick to the airsoft until you learn to use that properly. Your mate who owns it should know better

Grizzly 45 · 07-02-2019 3:04pm

Might be worth a watch?
https://www.leinsterleader.ie/news/news/362221/kildare-and-wicklow-to-feature-on-rtes-ear-to-the-ground-wildlife-crime-focus.html?fbclid=IwAR16xUGyd6e6d8Gsznv3UYMNmO9J2IcU2hLtsOUuOLcEO9_cphE5M8WLwkE#.XFqCEeSzTes.facebook

LATER.
Dont bother,it is a waste of 10 precious minutes of your life.

Nekarsulm · 23-02-2019 3:37pm

From Facebook.

Uinseann_16 · 23-02-2019 4:47pm

Benchmade knives over in the US recently helped the Oregon police department cut up some seized firearms , over the last few days this has caused a awful stir over there among firearms owners it looks like it will hurt their business quite badly youll see boycotting of the company across all sorts of social media platforms right now. Id say the anger comes from the fact Oregon is now pursuing very harsh new firearms legislation and thus the backlash from gun owners seeing a private company that purports to be pro 2A and pro gun helping to cut up firearms
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/02/21/benchmade-helps-destroy-guns/

Cass · 26-02-2019 8:46pm

Are you f**king sh**ing me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's bad enough we are the open door for Islamic terrorists to Europe, but now we invite them back with open arms. Our unelected leader is drinking too much of the same juice that numpty in Canada is.

For the sweet love of baby Jesus, what is it coming to.

slavetothegrind · 26-02-2019 8:59pm

Hopefully he means we don't shirk our duty as a nation of origin for these people and put them through our courts, and the european courts, and imprison them if they are deserving.

Of course hatespeech is an immediate crime so off to prison you go!

Cass · 26-02-2019 9:11pm

slavetothegrind wrote: »

Hopefully he means we don't shirk our duty as a nation of origin for these people

Any obligation to "these people" as you put it, ended when they left to fight for a terrorist group.

and put them through our courts, and the european courts, and imprison them if they are deserving.

Yeah because what we need to to bring home these terrorists, pay for their care, medical needs, legal defense, court costs, and then the cost of having to lock them for if found guilty.

Lets just ignore the bit about being a member of a terrorist organisation is an offence to begin with.

Of course hatespeech is an immediate crime so off to prison you go!

Brilliant that a terrorist can leave this country, fight to kill any not muslim, then be openly welcomed home. I speak about it, as is my right under the constitution (section 40.6.1) and i'm sent to jail.

Bit like not paying your TV license, being sent to prison for not paying the fine, where you get free TV.

Anyway. Could you point out he hate speech please. Thanks.

BattleCorp · 27-02-2019 6:32pm

Hard to prove that they were fighting for ISIS all the same. "I was doing humanitarian work M'Lud".

Hard to prove they broke any laws. Not standing up for them by the way. They should be fcuked into a barrel and burned in my opinion.

slavetothegrind · 28-02-2019 12:12am

OK. you are quite incensed.

In my first statement i am not defending terrorists, i am merely saying we should not abdicate our responsibilities as a nation that failed to prevent them from being such people and own our responsibilities in this respect. What is your solution?

I will grant you if we could leave them stranded with a recinded passport in syria that would be convenient.

But what are you advocating? A firing squad?

Just realised, the hatespeech comment was aimed at the radical terrorists not you, really sorry if that's how you perceived it!

Cass · 28-02-2019 12:17am

BattleCorp wrote: »

Hard to prove that they were fighting for ISIS all the same. "I was doing humanitarian work M'Lud".

Hard to prove they broke any laws. .

Say what you will about our national police force but they are not so incompetent as t label someone as an isis terror suspect without having intelligence tot he same. Also they rely on other countries and security reports to determine such things.

Grizzly 45 · 28-02-2019 12:34am

He is a dual national,he can sod off back to whatever "Stan" country he came from in the first place. Same like that British/ Bangladeshi one over in the UK. Dodgy marriage for an Irish passport, and citizenship and he "just happened to be tricked into joining ISIL."

Sure, happens to the best of us...There you are minding your own business up on O Connell st in Dublin. Next minute before you know it, you are off in full battle rattle with an AK and a beard in cammies out in some desert ****hole shooting at Western collation forces, and yelling" Aloha snackbar":rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Pull the other one there !Got bells on it.

Ireland is a soft touch to those lot and they know it. We don't have any proper laws dealing with Irish nationals fighting in foreign armies.[Although Irish mercenaries have been doing so for centuries]. So you can pitch up,do a few months fighting and come home as plain ol Paddy.No problem. We are now a known logistics,and Rest and Recuperation centre for radical Islamists.

It's time we send a message, that we might be easy going and look like thick ejits,but if you turn dirty, like radical Islam dirty or hate preaching in your mosques, or anyway supporting that ****e in any shape or form we will come down on ye like we did on our home-grown lot in the Troubles,and it will be like a ton of lead.:mad:

Cass · 28-02-2019 12:38am

slavetothegrind wrote: »

OK. you are quite incensed.

At the prospect of terrorists and fundamentalists that are hell bent on destroying us being allowed back into the country, yes. At you, not a bit.

In my first statement i am not defending terrorists, i am merely saying we should not abdicate our responsibilities as a nation that failed to prevent them from being such people and own our responsibilities in this respect.

Exactly what failings, either societal or institutional, lead to him and others running to a terrorist group that will kill you for being you?

As to our responsibilities, any imagined responsibility you think we, as a nation, have towards these people ended when they left to join this terrorist group.

What is your solution?

First and foremost, do not let him or anyone else back in. Whether they are involved in any actions is irrelevant, membership to this group is in itself cause for revocation of citizenship. Same with this notion of "isis brides". They are not brides, they are isis. Simple as that.

WE cannot, just cannot, become like Canada where the overtly liberal notion of "everyone is entitled to _________" (fill in the blank) we must protect ourselves. Doing this against unknown or unidentified threats is hard enough without bringing back known threats.

Once they step foot back on Irish soil the option to remove them again becomes significantly harder.

I will grant you if we could leave them stranded with a recinded passport in syria that would be convenient.

If they were willing to travel to a war zone, and prepared to die for their cause, then they can stay there. In my mind, however overly simplified you may think it may be, that is an immediate forefeture of any rights you have as an Irish citizen. Loosing does not give them a pass to return and spread their hate.

But what are you advocating? A firing squad?

As above. Revocation of citizenship and passport. The hard work of getting rid of this scourge is done, now just keep it out.

Just realised, the hatespeech comment was aimed at the radical terrorists not you, really sorry if that's how you perceived it!

Ah, i did, my bad.

This thread exists to discuss everyday things and everyday topics not directly shooting related. It's not meant as a serious platform for discussion as their are dedicated forums to deal with pretty much every subject you can think of. However this subject is something i cannot fathom.

Bringing back known or suspected terrorists is beyond stupid to me. isis is on the verge of destruction. I know it's not gone away, but as a single organised group it's time is almost at an end and so this leaves thousands if not tens of thousands of displaced terrorists with a dilemma. Where to go, and what to do.

They won't have changed in their beliefs and they'll bring that extremism back to what ever country they return to. It's happening here, the UK, Canada, America, etc. They are all starting to see a return of people that left to fight with a terrorist group.

To me that means they lost any protection the country may have offered them and now the country in question must protect it's citizens that did NOT choose to go fight for a terrorist group. Its this "lets all get along" thinking that scars me because while we are so focused on being "human" and "polite" and trying not to offend them, they are planning how to kill us.

Grizzly 45 · 28-02-2019 12:45am

BattleCorp wrote: »

Hard to prove that they were fighting for ISIS all the same. "I was doing humanitarian work M'Lud".

Driving an ambulance, wasn't it???.... Hmmm, did it have the exhaust tailpipe plumbed into the sealed rear cab? :mad:
Wouldn't put it past those medieval barbarians.

BattleCorp · 28-02-2019 9:37am

Cass wrote: »

Say what you will about our national police force but they are not so incompetent as t label someone as an isis terror suspect without having intelligence tot he same. Also they rely on other countries and security reports to determine such things.

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Driving an ambulance, wasn't it???.... Hmmm, did it have the exhaust tailpipe plumbed into the sealed rear cab? :mad:
Wouldn't put it past those medieval barbarians.

I'm not defending the ISIS lads at all. I thought my comment about fcuking them in a barrel and burning them showed that. By all means, don't let them back here. We are all far safer if they aren't let back.

I'm just saying that it's very hard to PROVE that they were involved in terrorism and you'd need proof before you can remove citizenship. Proof that in all likelihood will be tested in court. And that's a high standard. I am not so sure that intelligence reports would be considered 100% proof. Any intelligence gathered is not likely to be objective and impartial because it would be gathered by those fighting against ISIS.

I agree that intelligence can be provided but look at it from a court's prospective, how accurate is the intelligence? Is it beyond a reasonable doubt?

Cass · 28-02-2019 1:30pm

I understand you're not defending them, never entered my mind.

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'm just saying that it's very hard to PROVE that they were involved in terrorism and you'd need proof before you can remove citizenship.

Talk to him, and if he spouts the same sh*t as the teenager who ran off did then it's clear they don't repent, they were involved and if allowed home they would bring that fundamentalism home with them where it will breed like a cancer.

However all this can be done while they are where they are, not here.

Grizzly 45 · 28-02-2019 6:30pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

I

I'm just saying that it's very hard to PROVE that they were involved in terrorism and you'd need proof before you can remove citizenship. Proof that in all likelihood will be tested in court. And that's a high standard. I am not so sure that intelligence reports would be considered 100% proof. Any intelligence gathered is not likely to be objective and impartial because it would be gathered by those fighting against ISIS.
I agree that intelligence can be provided but look at it from a court's prospective, how accurate is the intelligence? Is it beyond a reasonable doubt?

If the methodology was good enough for the Nurenberg war crimes tribunal and for the Hauge war crimes tribunal...It should be good enough for an Irish court.

Nekarsulm · 28-02-2019 7:49pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

If the methodology was good enough for the Nurenberg war crimes tribunal and for the Hauge war crimes tribunal...It should be good enough for an Irish court.

All he has to do is claim he was helping Hamas in a Palestinian camp, and half of the lefties in this country will be crowd-funding for a house for him.....
Cause then he'd be a "freedom fighter" as opposed to the terrorist he really is ....

Grizzly 45 · 01-03-2019 1:33pm

Be a bit tricky mind him claiming that as a Sunni Muslim, and working for the Palestinians, who are mostly Shia. If you think Catholic/Protestant animosity is bad....
Those two sections have been the main cause of mass deaths out in the Middle East of Muslims.And have been at it ever since Mohammed was told off by his 9year old wife, for being home late for dinner,and his kebabs were burnt!

In short both sides hate each other's guts with a passion and have been happy to slaughter each other and the odd Christian village down there as well. So a heretic like him working in Gaza, would be as likely as whatever.

Uinseann_16 · 03-03-2019 11:26pm

Court poor box pays for garda gym equipment
Something tells me this wont be solved any time soon:rolleyes: in fact i cant remember the last time i saw a guard who looks like they would make regular use of such equipment..... thats the real mystery

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/internal-review-after-16k-from-court-poor-box-used-to-buy-gym-equipment-for-garda-station-37872632.html

Grizzly 45 · 04-03-2019 12:25am

The walking dead deer:pac: . Also known as CJD in cattle.
Do any of you eat deer brains or spinal cords?

Also, a point that is interesting raised in relation to illegal deer harvesting here.
IF as the article claims that NZ venison is being "dumped" on the Irish market,at below cost that farmed Irish deer isn't viable... WHO are these game dealers selling wild Irish deer to,and what is the markup and why is non-EU meat being sold, without any traceability.Isn't this why we have to go off and do HCAP and such to assure quality from field to fork???

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ireland-on-alert-for-zombie-disease-that-attacks-deers-brains-37872637.html

Cass · 16-03-2019 1:51pm

Since when?

6034073

I don't drink myself so honestly couldn't give a crap, but this is on the official Garda page. Nothing in all the Acts prohibits drinking in public. The only restrictions are drinking cans, etc. within 100 mtrs of where it's bought and being so drunk as to be a danger to yourself or others.

I know each county council can change certain things, as long as it does not change the primary act, but the small print in the corner seems to suggest Dublin council may have done this, but it's not a nationwide thing.

This seems to be a completely stupid, easily fact checked, incorrect statement. Am i wrong?

Grizzly 45 · 16-03-2019 2:19pm

"Civilians aren't trained or responsible enough to use high capacity military style centre fire handguns or military-style assault rifles"

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/french-policewoman-shot-dead-by-fellow-cop-in-gun-game-2006091

Uinseann_16 · 16-03-2019 8:00pm

"was fooling around with his service weapon when it went off"
That line right there is the biggest load of BS thats used to explain a negligent or accidental discharge , guns dont go off you set it off and should be charged with the murder or at least manslaughter caused as a result of your negligence

Grizzly 45 · 18-03-2019 9:14pm

Scary that a Communist totalitarian dictatorship has less restrictive gun laws than a western progressive EU country like Ireland.

https://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2019/03/chinese-penalties-for-illegal-ownership.html?fbclid=IwAR0T0ZkDvZjDl80hNGVVnua2yH2RV-6SXoGu75QqhHNp19DM8BUjEGtXZDU

BattleCorp · 18-03-2019 11:31pm

Too lazy to post a link but it looks like NZ's law abiding gun owners are about to get fcuked up the ass.

Witcher · 19-03-2019 12:09am

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Scary that a Communist totalitarian dictatorship has less restrictive gun laws than a western progressive EU country like Ireland.

https://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2019/03/chinese-penalties-for-illegal-ownership.html?fbclid=IwAR0T0ZkDvZjDl80hNGVVnua2yH2RV-6SXoGu75QqhHNp19DM8BUjEGtXZDU

Hardly,

In 1996, the law was changed to make it very difficult for almost anyone to legally own a gun. Common air rifles, which had not been considered guns, were defined as guns by a change in the law.

The only thing that's different is they don't come down hard on the possession of ammunition

The gun laws in China are extremely restrictive. On the other hand, enforcement of the law against people with small amounts of ammunition, and even guns, appears to be closer to American enforcement for traffic tickets than American misdemeanors or felonies.

We have our own problems but hyperbole that we're worse than China gets us nowhere. They've a massive black market in firearms there according to the article..I don't think expanding our own black market is something we should aspire to.

Grizzly 45 · 19-03-2019 1:45pm

The only thing that's different is they don't come down hard on the possession of ammunitio

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Possesing one SINGLE airgun pellet,a lump of lead with no explosive power without a liscense here could nail you for five!! Go see what result you will get here with 200 rounds of Military style ammo, or go make up a slam fire shotgun and go for a walk past the cop shop.and see what sentence you get or if you can pay off Garda Muldoon to drop the charge.

Ergo,the Chinese dont seem to consider their black market of firearms or possession of illegal stuff to be much more than what we consider a parking or speeding ticket category of crime.

Grizzly 45 · 19-03-2019 1:58pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

Too lazy to post a link but it looks like NZ's law abiding gun owners are about to get fcuked up the ass.

I wonder has there been a sudden unexpected boost in the sale of plastic sewer pipe lengths and end caps in NZ's hardware depots, and has the NZ SAR noted a sudden increase in boating accidents involving gun owners??:D:D

It does seem to have had unexpected consequences tho.:D
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8654322/new-zealanders-panic-buying-guns-pm-vowed-toughen-law/
Who says Govts dont surrender to terrorists?NZ now holds the record for acquiescing the fastest to a terrorist demand.As this ghoul stated quite clearly in his manifesto he chose these type of weapons to create a gun ban in NZ and eventually the US. And what has the NZ gone and done or is doing??

Cass · 19-03-2019 2:32pm

Not sure if anyone else heard the SKY report on NZ's gun laws. They essentially made it out to be a firearms Utopia that is freer than the states.

Witcher · 19-03-2019 2:44pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

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Possesing one SINGLE airgun pellet,a lump of lead with no explosive power without a liscense here could nail you for five!! Go see what result you will get here with 200 rounds of Military style ammo, or go make up a slam fire shotgun and go for a walk past the cop shop.and see what sentence you get or if you can pay off Garda Muldoon to drop the charge.

Ergo,the Chinese dont seem to consider their black market of firearms or possession of illegal stuff to be much more than what we consider a parking or speeding ticket category of crime.

What's the issue with that?

That's the way it should be, should be ten years. Nobody should be in possession of any article they're not licenced for.

I see airsoft lads on FB all the time importing 'real steel' as they would call it rifle magazines and gutting them for airsoft internals, importing mil spec stocks etc. The ease with which that stuff gets in in what we should be concerned with, not how the sentence for possessing unlicenced ammuntion is unfair.

I've had wooden stocks stopped on me but there's lads importing mil spec AR15 stocks and handguards not a bother for an airsoft gun.

Nekarsulm · 19-03-2019 2:54pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

I wonder has there been a sudden unexpected boost in the sale of plastic sewer pipe lengths and end caps in NZ's hardware depots, and has the NZ SAR noted a sudden increase in boating accidents involving gun owners??:D:D

It does seem to have had unexpected consequences tho.:D
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8654322/new-zealanders-panic-buying-guns-pm-vowed-toughen-law/
Who says Govts dont surrender to terrorists?NZ now holds the record for acquiescing the fastest to a terrorist demand.As this ghoul stated quite clearly in his manifesto he chose these type of weapons to create a gun ban in NZ and eventually the US. And what has the NZ gone and done or is doing??

NZ has a history of attempts to change their gun laws, to little to no effect.
Like Australia a few years ago, they may try for a quick law change before the various gun organisations get organised.

Uinseann_16 · 19-03-2019 8:06pm

Witcher wrote: »

What's the issue with that?

That's the way it should be, should be ten years. Nobody should be in possession of any article they're not licenced for.

I see airsoft lads on FB all the time importing 'real steel' as they would call it rifle magazines and gutting them for airsoft internals, importing mil spec stocks etc. The ease with which that stuff gets in in what we should be concerned with, not how the sentence for possessing unlicenced ammuntion is unfair.

I've had wooden stocks stopped on me but there's lads importing mil spec AR15 stocks and handguards not a bother for an airsoft gun.

Theres nothing illegal about processing a part thats interchangeable between a AR-15 and a airsoft gun hell even a m16 part as when attached to a airsoft gun it, its attached to a "firearm" which doesnt require a licence, ofc it must have a muzzle energy of less than one joule

Witcher · 19-03-2019 8:30pm

Uinseann_16 wrote: »

Theres nothing illegal about processing a part thats interchangeable between a AR-15 and a airsoft gun hell even a m16 part as when attached to a airsoft gun it, its attached to a "firearm" which doesnt require a licence, ofc it must have a muzzle energy of less than one joule

It's a component part of a firearm so you need a licence for it, that it's on an airsoft means nothing.

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