New NOx VRT levy

KCross · 28-12-2019 3:39pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I think additionally there should be a levy on electric vehicles imported that don't have a range of 200km or more as they will just clog up the underdeveloped charging infrastructure on everyone else. €10 per km range less than 200km would be a start.

Probably not worth the bother. All new EV's for the last few years would exceed that 200km mark and the volume of EV's under it in the s/h market is tiny, relatively speaking (<0.5% of the import market!)

A better charging network is what is needed. 2020 should be a big year in that regard.

punisher5112 · 28-12-2019 3:46pm

Mike9832 wrote: »

They do volunteer

Alot of people bought a 5 bed detached house in Carlow in the country side vs a 3 bed semi in an estate in Dublin

They made the choice to commute and work there

It was continue renting absolute sh1t holes or move out of Dublin to afford to buy.

We were pushed well outside Dublin renting and then when we could save a little it was nowhere near enough to be able to buy in Dublin.

Unfortunately I'll have to commute unless I get work where we are.

I'd love to be able to live near where I work but not a hope.

ml100 · 28-12-2019 4:19pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

It was continue renting absolute sh1t holes or move out of Dublin to afford to buy.

We were pushed well outside Dublin renting and then when we could save a little it was nowhere near enough to be able to buy in Dublin.

Unfortunately I'll have to commute unless I get work where we are.

I'd love to be able to live near where I work but not a hope.

Exactly, most dubs want to live in Dublin not Carlow, it's the government's failure to manage developers that's caused this, no planning, development site speculation in Dublin etc have forced builders to build were they can get land, kildare, Carlow etc resuling in people having to buy outside Dublin and commute.

Casati · 28-12-2019 6:20pm

KCross wrote: »

Im not sure thats necessarily a bad thing overall. We should be keeping cars longer just not importing crap ones.

I also just took a look at the import stats from 2018. 70% of them were <5yrs old. So, the majority of the import market wont really be affected by this tax. People will still have a decent supply of second hand cars going forward.

10yr old cars account for only 4% so Im all for discouraging that small portion.

Brexit might make the whole thing irrelevant anyway as it could become uneconomical after tariffs and VAT if they dont do a deal by this time next

Who is taking about 10 year old cars? Even stuff like a three year old Dacia Logon 1.5 will have 1200 euro Nox bill. This is not just a tax on cars over 5 years old.

lawred2 · 28-12-2019 6:53pm

Who in their right mind is out there importing Dacias?

It must be a vanishingly small cohort

Seweryn · 28-12-2019 6:57pm

Casati wrote: »

Who is taking about 10 year old cars? Even stuff like a three year old Dacia Logon 1.5 will have 1200 euro Nox bill. This is not just a tax on cars over 5 years old.

The main idea behind the emission scandals (CO2, NO2, DP, etc.) is to collect more money through taxation. Nothing new there. This is a lot easier way than water charges, because people are being told they are actually contributing towards the "green future".

punisher5112 · 28-12-2019 7:53pm

One of the biggest issues is people burning fossil fuels and all the toxins and unburnt crap going up their chimneys.

If any government is serious we need this fixed.

We need electricity that's affordable as there is way too much of a cost.

Imagine having mostly hydro and air generated electricity and more and more could then heat their homes through electricity instead of the fossil fuels.

Just back from a walk there and fcuk me the difficulty in breathing from all the smoke.

We need to look at other countries and gather together the best ways and follow in the likes of cutting the pollutants.

lawred2 · 28-12-2019 8:12pm

How much of our electricity still comes from carbon burning?

Is BnM still cutting up our carbon sinks? And selling it back to us to burn so as create a double whammy?

The state has a bit of work to do itself in cutting it's own carbon contributions.

Barr · 28-12-2019 9:34pm

Does this nox charge apply to cars that are over 30 year olds .

Just wondering would vintage be exempt.

dar_cool · 28-12-2019 10:13pm

Yes only category A cars. Classics are exempt from it

McGiver · 30-12-2019 11:22pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote:

I think additionally there should be a levy on electric vehicles imported that don't have a range of 200km or more as they will just clog up the underdeveloped charging infrastructure on everyone else. â‚¬10 per km range less than 200km would be a start.

Really smart and keep them driving polluting diesels instead. Totally backward philosophy, anti innovative, regressive.

Charging infrastructure is developing nicely. It has never been in such a good shape. And it will keep developing as evidenced from other countries. Not sure where you getting the information from, because you very apparently are not an EV owner.

McGiver · 30-12-2019 11:24pm

Seweryn wrote:

The main idea behind the emission scandals (CO2, NO2, DP, etc.) is to collect more money through taxation. Nothing new there. This is a lot easier way than water charges, because people are being told they are actually contributing towards the "green future".

Ah sure, it's a grand conspiracy.
Not.

Isambard · 31-12-2019 2:58pm

dar_cool wrote: »

Yes only category A cars. Classics are exempt from it

of more concern would be the VAT and duty on imports from the Uk soon.

toby2111 · 03-01-2020 9:34am

Has the online vrt calculator now been updated to include the new Nox charge?

unclejoe89 · 03-01-2020 11:20am

Hi,
Could anyone tell me the VRT on a Audi A5 2014?

edieg · 03-01-2020 11:29am

toby2111 wrote: »

Has the online vrt calculator now been updated to include the new Nox charge?

Hi
As I write this, the revenue.ie website still mentions that the calculator is not updated. However, they post two Excel sheets, one with all car models and the other with a simple calculator.

Let me tell you about my case - I brought the car from my country on December 10th, went to NCTS on December 19th. On December 30th I received SMS and e-mail that I need to call back to find the sum to be paid. According to the former calculator, the sum was around 3300E. The one that NCST is declaring over the phone is 7884E.

Problem here is that the car is Diesel and instead of using their own Excel they put the max tax which is 4850EUR. I called Revenue and they state that due to the lack of NoX level data on the car identity card, they put the max: 4850E. They send me back to NCTS to confirm the NoX value... which is written clearly in the NOx-Values Excel file as being 154 but Revenue didn't bother to search for the car model.

The second problem that is hard to challenge (they don't have a strict term to provide the calculation) is that they gave me the calculation too late for me to be able to register the car under 2019 conditions - NCTS was closed from December 23rd until January 2nd.

What is your experience until now?

User1998 · 03-01-2020 11:38am

unclejoe89 wrote: »

Hi,
Could anyone tell me the VRT on a Audi A5 2014?

https://www.ros.ie/evrt-enquiry/vrtenquiry.html?execution=e1s1

colm_mcm · 03-01-2020 1:22pm

lawred2 wrote: »

How much of our electricity still comes from carbon burning?

Is BnM still cutting up our carbon sinks? And selling it back to us to burn so as create a double whammy?

The state has a bit of work to do itself in cutting it's own carbon contributions.

Just changing provider for electricity there and Electric Ireland say 53% gas, 37% renewable, 6% coal and 4% peat.

Bord Gais say 62% gas, 33% renewable, 2.5% coal, 1.7% peat.

Panda say 100% renewable

Now idea how that works in practice, I guess this is what they produce rather than what they sell.

Island average is 291kg of CO2 per MWh which is 291g per KWh

toby2111 · 03-01-2020 5:15pm

As far as I can see,the Revenue site hasn't been updated. Says that NOx charge is not covered. Somebody on this thread(or another one) earlier advised to hold off paying VRT as Revenue still have to drop the 1% surcharge and replace it with the NOx. If VRT paid now(or before its updated),I presume they'll hit you on the double?

EDIT-It was User1998 above who had the good sense to suggest the above.Cheers!

michellie · 03-01-2020 7:38pm

toby2111 wrote: »

Revenue still have to drop the 1% surcharge and replace it with the NOx.

That was done January 1st.

colm_mcm · 03-01-2020 7:50pm

michellie wrote: »

That was done January 1st.

He means on the calculator.

Casati · 04-01-2020 11:51am

edieg wrote: »

Hi
As I write this, the revenue.ie website still mentions that the calculator is not updated. However, they post two Excel sheets, one with all car models and the other with a simple calculator.

Let me tell you about my case - I brought the car from my country on December 10th, went to NCTS on December 19th. On December 30th I received SMS and e-mail that I need to call back to find the sum to be paid. According to the former calculator, the sum was around 3300E. The one that NCST is declaring over the phone is 7884E.

Problem here is that the car is Diesel and instead of using their own Excel they put the max tax which is 4850EUR. I called Revenue and they state that due to the lack of NoX level data on the car identity card, they put the max: 4850E. They send me back to NCTS to confirm the NoX value... which is written clearly in the NOx-Values Excel file as being 154 but Revenue didn't bother to search for the car model.

The second problem that is hard to challenge (they don't have a strict term to provide the calculation) is that they gave me the calculation too late for me to be able to register the car under 2019 conditions - NCTS was closed from December 23rd until January 2nd.

What is your experience until now?

Obvious question but is the nox listed on the V5?

theminstrel · 04-01-2020 1:46pm

Casati wrote: »

Obvious question but is the nox listed on the V5?

It is on newer cars anyway.
This is from a 19 reg

toby2111 · 04-01-2020 1:53pm

theminstrel wrote: »

It is on newer cars anyway.
This is from a 19 reg

Do revenue base their calculation on the NOx or the HC+NOx figure? Or do they just work from that spreadsheet on their site?

theminstrel · 04-01-2020 2:56pm

toby2111 wrote: »

Do revenue base their calculation on the NOx or the HC+NOx figure? Or do they just work from that spreadsheet on their site?

I'm going in on Wednesday, so will see then

michellie · 04-01-2020 4:54pm

Based on V3- NOx. Which is 0.040 for that car.

samjames · 05-01-2020 10:44pm

Its about more revenue, just like the vrt is, only a small bit got to do with the enviroment but we all know it is all about the money

punisher5112 · 05-01-2020 10:49pm

samjames wrote: »

Its about more revenue, just like the vrt is, only a small bit got to do with the enviroment but we all know it is all about the money

I'll usually agree but this round I believe it will hit hard on the bad for emissions vehicles coming in....

Obviously it's going to hit the market and for me it will mean I'll be stuck with older cars as I can't afford to move up to such good on Nox vehicles and many more will be in this boat.....

We need more then this and we need to make change affordable.

User1998 · 06-01-2020 1:18am

samjames wrote: »

Its about more revenue, just like the vrt is, only a small bit got to do with the enviroment but we all know it is all about the money

In fairness they lowered diesel vrt by 1%. Lots of diesels are actually cheaper to import now as long as they are euro 6, not all of them but a fair few. I think this time around it was for the environments sake, or at least made to look like it was

username?! · 06-01-2020 11:23am

Someone I know charged €2825 additionally on an import of a E90 318D. Original VRT was only about €1500.

I can't say I feel sorry, diesels been getting cheap tax for 12 years now.

point2176 · 06-01-2020 10:28pm

Hi has anyone paid the NOx plus VRT data for cars on ukcarimports? I’m interested in a 2014 diesel in the uk and don’t really want a shock after bringing it in. €5 seems very reasonable to see all versions of the car I’m interested in

colm_mcm · 06-01-2020 10:32pm

Do you know revenue have compiled their own list?

Atlantic Dawn · 06-01-2020 10:38pm

If you go to Cartell.ie, type in the UK reg the details it returns will give the nox levy amount.

colm_mcm · 06-01-2020 10:45pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

If you go to Cartell.ie, type in the UK reg the details it returns will give the nox levy amount.

That’s class.

The Nox on mine is actually €2300 and not €1750 as I’d thought.

On a separate note, my old Shogun 2.8 was 331g/km Co2

colm_mcm · 07-01-2020 11:14am

2008 Mondeo TDCI has €4525 nox charge on top of VRT!

piobhan · 07-01-2020 4:00pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

If you go to Cartell.ie, type in the UK reg the details it returns will give the nox levy amount.

I purchased a VW Golf 2013 GTI performance pack, UK reg BG63MVR in December . According to the calculator on Car Tell, NOX levy will be €270. I couldn't get an appointment before the end of the year to clear it, VRT Appointment in about a week.

What will be my total bill . roughly?

User1998 · 07-01-2020 4:14pm

piobhan wrote: »

I purchased a VW Golf 2013 GTI performance pack, UK reg BG63MVR in December . According to the calculator on Car Tell, NOX levy will be €270. I couldn't get an appointment before the end of the year to clear it, VRT Appointment in about a week.

What will be my total bill . roughly?

Put in the car details here and add €270.

https://www.ros.ie/evrt-enquiry/vrtenquiry.html?execution=e1s2

You might be able to get the €270 back if you appeal it

znv6i3h7kqf9ys · 09-01-2020 11:12am

Warning Check nox level before importing.

A friend of mine brought over a Jag xf from the uk in December.
He made the appointment to pay the vrt. They gave him a date
in Jan. When he went there they wanted an extra €3100 from him
for the new nox charge introduced from 1st Jan 2020. Very little
in the press on this but it more or less wipes out any saving you
would expect by purchasing in the UK. I've included the table pricing
below. (this is on top of the vrt)

Commenting on Budget 2020, SIMI Director General Brian Cooke

"SIMI is relieved that the Minister has not increased VRT for new cars in Budget 2020.
The replacement of the 1% diesel surcharge introduced last year on new cars with a nitrogen oxide
(NOx) emissions-based charge to all passenger cars registering for the first time in the State from
1 January 2020 is a welcome announcement."

(I'm sure it is to some but not your average punter. Check the charges in attachment below)

un5byh7sqpd2x0 · 09-01-2020 11:13am

What's sneaky about it? It was announced in the budget... Your friend just didn't do his research.

mikeecho · 09-01-2020 11:42am

Les Paul wrote: »

Warning Check nox level before importing.

A friend of mine brought over a Jag xf from the uk in December.
He made the appointment to pay the vrt. They gave him a date
in Jan. When he went there they wanted an extra €3100 from him
for the new nox charge introduced from 1st Jan 2020. Very little
in the press on this
............

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/budget-2020-new-emissions-tax-on-new-cars-and-used-imports-1.4043840

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/budget-2020-how-do-i-know-how-much-nox-the-car-i-might-buy-emits-1.4043148

https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/motors/2019/1008/1081916-car-imports-and-new-car-sales-take-biggest-hit-budget-analysis/

https://www.completecar.ie/car-news/article/9521/New-NOx-tax-designed-to-curb-imports

https://www.myvehicle.ie/car-news/new-budget-emissions-tax-on-all-new-used-car-imports-2020

https://m.carzone.ie/index.cfm?fuseaction=newsDesc&newsId=2217

https://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/used-imports-top-100000-in-advance-of-new-nox-tax-in-january-38728615.html

https://extra.ie/2019/10/13/motoring/used-car-carbon-nox-tax

https://www.ansaccu.ie/buyingacarin2020

http://www.wheelsforwomen.ie/index.php/what-is-the-new-nox-charge/

I'd have to disagree.. there's lots in the press about this.

colm_mcm · 09-01-2020 11:43am

Didn’t the VRT calculator advise on it after the budget too ??

silver2020 · 09-01-2020 11:51am

I'm not in the market for a car and I've heard tons about the new Nox charge.

Your friend needs to look in a mirror to find where the blame is.

Seems in Ireland we simply cannot take responsibility for our own cock-ups - someone else has to be blamed

znv6i3h7kqf9ys · 09-01-2020 11:55am

Dogg Munde wrote: »

What's sneaky about it? It was announced in the budget... Your friend just didn't do his research.

With the language used in articles in the press, the change is casually introduced as a replacement for the 1% diesel surcharge. They fail to mention how brutal the increase is hence the adjective

znv6i3h7kqf9ys · 09-01-2020 11:59am

mikeecho wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/budget-2020-new-emissions-tax-on-new-cars-and-used-imports-1.4043840

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/budget-2020-how-do-i-know-how-much-nox-the-car-i-might-buy-emits-1.4043148

https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/motors/2019/1008/1081916-car-imports-and-new-car-sales-take-biggest-hit-budget-analysis/

https://www.completecar.ie/car-news/article/9521/New-NOx-tax-designed-to-curb-imports

https://www.myvehicle.ie/car-news/new-budget-emissions-tax-on-all-new-used-car-imports-2020

https://m.carzone.ie/index.cfm?fuseaction=newsDesc&newsId=2217

https://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/used-imports-top-100000-in-advance-of-new-nox-tax-in-january-38728615.html

https://extra.ie/2019/10/13/motoring/used-car-carbon-nox-tax

https://www.ansaccu.ie/buyingacarin2020

http://www.wheelsforwomen.ie/index.php/what-is-the-new-nox-charge/

I'd have to disagree.. there's lots in the press about this.

Well done. Thanks for all your effort.

mikeecho · 09-01-2020 12:02pm

Les Paul wrote: »

With the language used in articles in the press, the change is casually introduced as a replacement for the 1% diesel surcharge. They fail to mention how brutal the increase is hence the adjective

https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/motors/2019/1008/1081916-car-imports-and-new-car-sales-take-biggest-hit-budget-analysis/

Under the new system, a car producing up to 60 milligrammes of NOx per kilometre will be taxed - on registration - at €5 per gramme per kilometre up to 60 milligrammes. From 61 milligrammes to 80, it will be taxed at €15 per millgramme and any figure over 81 milligrammes will be taxed at €25 per milligramme.

Not much effort required to do basic research prior to making a major purchase.

znv6i3h7kqf9ys · 09-01-2020 12:06pm

silver2020 wrote: »

I'm not in the market for a car and I've heard tons about the new Nox charge.

Your friend needs to look in a mirror to find where the blame is.

Seems in Ireland we simply cannot take responsibility for our own cock-ups - someone else has to be blamed

Good for you. Yeah the info is all there but he is Italian and probably missed it in the print. I think he did expect to be informed of the change out of courtesy when he presented in December and they gave him a January appointment date. I don't think that that is an unreasonable expectation

znv6i3h7kqf9ys · 09-01-2020 12:08pm

mikeecho wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/motors/2019/1008/1081916-car-imports-and-new-car-sales-take-biggest-hit-budget-analysis/

Not much effort required to do basic research prior to making a major purchase.

Lol. The only effort is reading something in the lifestyle section. Hardly prominent.

ChippingSodbury · 09-01-2020 12:09pm

Does the VRT Calculator on revenue.ie take it into account? I just did an example calculation there and it doesn't mention anything about NOx, just CO2.
The example I did had an OMSP of €20154 and CO2 falling into 18% bracket.
Vehicle Registration Tax: €3627 (which is 18% of €20154). Is there an NOx charge on top of that or is it included in the €3627?

colm_mcm · 09-01-2020 12:10pm

It wasn’t massively opposed or protested against.
I think it’s an unfair tax and designed to curb imports, but I can also see that it stops the worst polluting cars coming in. It’s 12 years too late of course, this should have been considered in 2008 rather than focussing non Co2

I don’t buy the argument that nobody knew about nox and particulates in 2008. It was well known by those in the industry and should have been known by those in power. The same SIMI that welcomes this charge was delighted with the new system in 08 - and the savings it brought to diesel cars. Always remember the only thing the SIMI cares about is its members making more money.

CoBo55 · 09-01-2020 12:10pm

Les Paul wrote: »

With the language used in articles in the press, the change is casually introduced as a replacement for the 1% diesel surcharge. They fail to mention how brutal the increase is hence the adjective

Well, the first link tells that importing a golf will be a lot more expensive and warns to check first before committing, make sure you have the nox figure that will be accepted by the inspector etc. Nah, he only has himself to blame.

New NOx VRT levy

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