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M21 - Limerick to Rathkeale/Foynes [advance works to commence shortly]

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    #542
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Just goes to show that a finger can be gotten out when necessary still.

    I know this took years to get to this stage, but the minute the Ryder Cup came on the cards this one suddenly happened to get fast tracked.


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    #543
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users Posts: 6,705 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Chris_5339762 wrote: »
    Just goes to show that a finger can be gotten out when necessary still.

    I know this took years to get to this stage, but the minute the Ryder Cup came on the cards this one suddenly happened to get fast tracked.

    Has it been fast tracked?


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    #544
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,814 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Chris_5339762 wrote: »
    Just goes to show that a finger can be gotten out when necessary still.

    I know this took years to get to this stage, but the minute the Ryder Cup came on the cards this one suddenly happened to get fast tracked.


    No it hasn't been fast tracked. The Ryder cup was announced in July. This was supposed to have been signed off by cabinet and sent to ABP in Q1, then Q2 and then Q3. It finally got signed off in on Oct 30th. It's a year late going to ABP and it will be at least another 6 years before a car drives on it.


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    #545
    steeler j
    Registered Users Posts: 315 ✭✭steeler j


    Was the planning application was submitted?
    Taught I saw it on a local paper


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    #546
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,386 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Chris_5339762 wrote: »
    Just goes to show that a finger can be gotten out when necessary still.

    I know this took years to get to this stage, but the minute the Ryder Cup came on the cards this one suddenly happened to get fast tracked.

    Not really- this scheme has been needed for about 3 decades. It’s certainly not fast tracked by any stretch. Delayed and stalled beyond belief more like it


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    #547
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭Limerick74


    steeler j wrote: »
    Was the planning application was submitted?
    Taught I saw it on a local paper

    Yes submitted last week to An Bord Pleanála https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/502223/planning-application-for-limerick-to-foynes-road-submitted-to-an-bord-pleanala.html


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    #548
    Mushman2020
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭Mushman2020


    Driving through Croagh today, loads of posters up against new road. "save our Village" "No to second bypass".

    looks like not everyone is happy.......


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    #549
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,814 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Mushman2020 wrote: »
    Driving through Croagh today, loads of posters up against new road. "save our Village" "No to second bypass".

    looks like not everyone is happy.......

    So they're against replacing a road that bypasses the village to the South with another road that bypasses the village to the North? Even though they're getting a totally undeserved motorway junction for their tiny village? Give me strength.


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    #550
    marno21
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    Amusing stuff. Save our village from losing the 700 trucks and other heavy vehicles that rattle through the place every day.


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    #551
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,386 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    So they're against replacing a road that bypasses the village to the South with another road that bypasses the village to the North? Even though they're getting a totally undeserved motorway junction for their tiny village? Give me strength.

    Are these people pathologically insane? The village ya already bypassed so negligible effects on any local business as they aren’t stopping already plus the double benefits of a good quality link road onto a new motorway that bypasses the horror of Adare. What am I missing here? These cranks surely have zero local support?


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    #552
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users Posts: 6,705 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    marno21 wrote: »
    Amusing stuff. Save our village from losing the 700 trucks and other heavy vehicles that rattle through the place every day.

    Maybe they think that all that traffic is of economic benefit to the town when the truth is those drivers want to get through the place as quickly as possible and have no intention of stopping or spending a penny. The people who would spend money are the locals and are more likely to do so if the place isn't clogged with heavy traffic, as other bypassed towns have discovered.


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    #553
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,386 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Could it be the Garden centre /small hotel that are behind this? Only business I can think of that benefits from the passing trade


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    #554
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    So they're against replacing a road that bypasses the village to the South with another road that bypasses the village to the North? Even though they're getting a totally undeserved motorway junction for their tiny village? Give me strength.

    Agreed, if anything they are being treated very generously and their junction is unnecessary really. It was only added to placate them.


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    #555
    pajoguy
    Registered Users Posts: 774 ✭✭✭pajoguy


    This project has been delayed by 18 months if not more between officialdom in T.I.I. and the incompetent Minister for Transport. Huge politicial interference to get this village their own interchange and now they are going to attempt to stand in the way of a badly needed upgrade to a road that alresdy bypasses the village. Madness.


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    #556
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,386 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    pajoguy wrote: »
    This project has been delayed by 18 months if not more between officialdom in T.I.I. and the incompetent Minister for Transport. Huge politicial interference to get this village their own interchange and now they are going to attempt to stand in the way of a badly needed upgrade to a road that alresdy bypasses the village. Madness.

    More like two decades! There’s no secret that Adare was going to be bypassed at some stage (should have been years ago) and that part at least of the current N21 would be bypassed likely linking in with the Rathkeale bypass part. Absolutely outrageous that people in a hamlet of zero significance not even on the mainline N21 would be kicking off. Rentamob stuff just for the sake of it


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    #557
    marno21
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    Decision due from An Bord Pleanala on 18th June.

    http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/306146.htm


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    #558
    veryangryman
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Decision due from An Bord Pleanala on 18th June.

    http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/306146.htm

    Was sh1t like this always so slow when the MIUs were being planned. A slowth would have our last few planned roads progressed faster


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    #559
    marno21
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    https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/505667/large-number-of-objections-expected-against-crucial-limerick-road-project.html


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    #560
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Project Ireland 2040 documents published today suggest that this will go to tender in 2022. That would likely indicate a 2023 start and a 2025/2026 opening

    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/b701fc-minister-donohoe-publishes-project-ireland-2040-updates-progress-and/


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    #561
    Jayuu
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Project Ireland 2040 documents published today suggest that this will go to tender in 2022. That would likely indicate a 2023 start and a 2025/2026 opening

    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/b701fc-minister-donohoe-publishes-project-ireland-2040-updates-progress-and/


    I'm sure they'll want it open by September 2026! :P


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    #562
    marno21
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    https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/507502/construction-of-new-limerick-road-will-see-demolition-of-homes.html


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    #563
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,814 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    marno21 wrote: »
    https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/507502/construction-of-new-limerick-road-will-see-demolition-of-homes.html

    Typical BS Leader article.


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    #564
    prunudo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,038 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    Typical BS Leader article.

    Typical of every infrastructure project lately, locals claim there isn't enough contact with engineers during route selection phase. In other words 'I want to be in the room with them so I ensure it doesn't effect me and screw everyone else'

    I would have thought 10 houses for a 450m project was pretty low. And as I've said on other infrastructure threads, we have to accept that there will some collateral damage when it comes to providing these large scale projects. How many people give a seconds thought for the people that were effected as they travel safely along the other inter urbans. It only becomes a concern when it effects their own property.


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    #565
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    From the article:
    "But he reckoned that over 50% of landowners would lodge an objection of some kind with An Bord Pleanála before the deadline of February 14, in the hope of mitigating their own situation or getting some concessions. He estimated only a small few would lodge outright objections."
    'Nuff said.


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    #566
    Adare2019
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭Adare2019


    The closing date for submissions on this project is today so I rang An Bord Pleanala to see when they hoped to hold the Oral Hearing. The Oral Hearing for the Galway Bypass starts next week and the SID guys are up the walls. Their best guess is no Oral Hearing until July (or maybe September). My best guess is, therefore, no decision before the end of 2020 (despite a "Decision Date" of 18 June 2020 on their website). Having a road for the Ryder Cup looking increasingly doubtful if there are any more delays (such as a Judicial Review).


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    #567
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,814 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Adare2019 wrote: »
    The closing date for submissions on this project is today so I rang An Bord Pleanala to see when they hoped to hold the Oral Hearing. The Oral Hearing for the Galway Bypass starts next week and the SID guys are up the walls. Their best guess is no Oral Hearing until July (or maybe September). My best guess is, therefore, no decision before the end of 2020 (despite a "Decision Date" of 18 June 2020 on their website). Having a road for the Ryder Cup looking increasingly doubtful if there are any more delays (such as a Judicial Review).

    It was never going to be through planning by June. All of these types of projects take a year or so for planning.

    The Ryder Cup is still 6 1/2 years away. If this gets permission by early 2021 they still have 5 1/2 years for CPOs, tender award and construction.


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    #568
    Last Stop
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    prunudo wrote: »
    Typical of every infrastructure project lately, locals claim there isn't enough contact with engineers during route selection phase. In other words 'I want to be in the room with them so I ensure it doesn't effect me and screw everyone else'

    Perhaps there isn’t enough of an understanding of the route selection process and external factors.
    Maybe we should consider an education program in schools getting kids to design a route from A-B with various constraints (environmental) etc. in the way?

    I also think there is a serious lack of knowledge about the design process as a whole. Simple YouTube videos showing the options and the steps taken would be a massive help.


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    #569
    270WIN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 213 ✭✭270WIN


    Will this road be under pressure to be built now for obvious reasons?


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    #570
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,814 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Nobody knows. But it is a Ten-T route required by the EU to be built by 2030. And at best it's at least 3 years from going to construction.


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    #571
    L1011
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    Ryder Cup almost inevitably going to get pushed out a year - this happened last time we hosted (due to 9/11 that time) and its quite likely the road infrastructure works done for it - the N7 widening/separation and the L2007 pavement replacement) wouldn't have been done in time without it

    History repeating here, it seems.


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