Milk Price III

Coolfresian · 15-12-2016 11:41pm

Tbh I'm concerned that by having the schemes especially when prices are rising that milk proccessors might be slow to rise the price too quick so as not too have the fixed schemes at lower prices looking like a disaster.
I'd prefer them not to be offered at all and pay the best market price possible across the board instead and I'm not alone in thinking that.

Coolfresian · 15-12-2016 11:44pm

darragh_haven wrote: »

I got a tour of the Strathroy Dairy plant today. They are gearing up to be the major player in the long term. No suits walking around either. Very impressive and lean operation

Are they still looking for new suppliers? Very interested in changing my supplier when my contract ends and have 4 options in my area luckily.

alps · 16-12-2016 12:06am

These fixed price schemes surely have their place, and at a point in time can be beneficial to a farmer. Its certainly a very individual decision based on circumstances all round.

However I really don't like the "rewarding loyalty" tag that seems to be attaching to some of these schemes. If these schemes are genuine, you should have the right to say yes or no to any of them, to make the business decision that best suits your farm, to take your own gamble on the future market. If you continue to supply your milk to the coop, that should qualify you as "loyal"

blue5000 · 16-12-2016 12:07am

cute geoge wrote: »

Went for a drop of milk this morning from the fridge for my weetabix and blast not a duck left in carton ,but spotted a small bottle that came with a mcdonalds meals a way back a month a ago stuck at back of fridge .dated use by nov28 this should be well dozed but smelled ok,took a sip ,tasted like the day it was bought but how in gods name this can be still fresh 3 weeks later

Was it UHT milk?

cute geoge · 16-12-2016 12:12am

blue5000 wrote: »

Was it UHT milk?

The national dairy council logo on the back so unlikely uht .I must say it tasted superb but gods knows what preservatives were in it

FarmerDougal · 16-12-2016 12:21am

blue5000 wrote: »

Was it UHT milk?

Nobody drinks that cause it's sh1te!

alps · 16-12-2016 12:24am

FarmerDougal wrote: »

Nobody drinks that cause it's sh1te!

Any of the supermarkets in Europe have pallets and pallets of it and you'd have a job finding a fridge with a few bottles of fresh stuff....

GrasstoMilk · 16-12-2016 12:40am

pedigree 6 wrote: »

I don't know, when you're so used to drinking your own you'll cop the difference straight away.
I suppose if it was the other way round and you were drinking a certain brand the whole time and you were offered milk from the tank you'd see a difference straight away.

As far as we can taste strathroy take nothing from the milk but the others do??

They do. They take off the whey I think.
That's part of the building work they've just done if i remember correctly.
Now they can expand there product range. Before this they had to sell it on and had to take the price they were offered iykwim

darragh_haven · 16-12-2016 12:47am

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

They do. They take off the whey I think.
That's part of the building work they've just done if i remember correctly.
Now they can expand there product range. Before this they had to sell it on and had to take the price they were offered iykwim

The building work recently was an evaporater, this was to sort out the problem of spring calving herd peak milk supplies. As you say, they had to take what they were given for their excess milk. But not any more.

darragh_haven · 16-12-2016 12:50am

Coolfresian wrote: »

Are they still looking for new suppliers? Very interested in changing my supplier when my contract ends and have 4 options in my area luckily.

Still yaking suppliers, but not actively pursuing atm. You'll have to contact them for details as i dont know anything beyond that

Waffletraktor · 16-12-2016 12:52am

darragh_haven wrote: »

Still yaking suppliers, but not actively pursuing atm. You'll have to contact them for details as i dont know anything beyond that

How does it make sense that Ni milk suppliers are wanting to come south due to bad prices up norn atm

Timmaay · 16-12-2016 12:53am

alps wrote: »

Any of the supermarkets in Europe have pallets and pallets of it and you'd have a job finding a fridge with a few bottles of fresh stuff....

And be bloody careful about what you think is fresh stuff then! Took a mouthful outa a carton of what I thought was fresh milk I'd just after bought in Belgium, was buttermilk, I had to spit it straight out haha.

darragh_haven · 16-12-2016 12:56am

Waffletraktor wrote: »

How does it make sense that Ni milk suppliers are wanting to come south due to bad prices up norn atm

I honestly don't know. I was only there looking at the shiney automated machinery. Are the guys in NI getting a worse price than in the Republic?

kowtow · 16-12-2016 2:22am

alps wrote:

However I really don't like the "rewarding loyalty" tag that seems to be attaching to some of these schemes. If these schemes are genuine, you should have the right to say yes or no to any of them, to make the business decision that best suits your farm, to take your own gamble on the future market. If you continue to supply your milk to the coop, that should qualify you as "loyal"

Quite. It's an implicit option and makes a nonsense of the 'business like' nature of the scheme. It's not a volatility defence because you can't price the option, it's an inducement and when I see an inducement my instant reaction is to ask why the counterparty thinks I need one.

Nevertheless if I was a glanbia supplier I'd consider it if only for a portion of supply .... when in Rome etc...

whelan2 · 16-12-2016 9:18am

Glanbia milk cheques in accounts this morning.

Coolfresian · 16-12-2016 9:56am

Its a pity they cant get the statements up on glanbia connect quicker.

whelan2 · 16-12-2016 10:01am

Coolfresian wrote: »

Its a pity they cant get the statements up on glanbia connect quicker.

Yes. I mentioned it in the survey thingy. Used to always be online on 16th

Keepgrowing · 16-12-2016 10:31am

Water John wrote: »

It could do with the the way it may be homogenised. A larger fat globule would give it a diff taste.

BTW Growing, most suppliers on here to GII, take their processors actions personally, when it leaves less money in their pockets for their families.

I totally accept that but emotion has to left out of this decision. The kinda crap ORide is spouting doesn't help anyone.

We were in first 2 schemes and lost slightly so as a result didn't get large allocations in later schemes. I'm not crying about it unlike some. I'm not suggesting there's a Cabal sitting in an office making judgements based on a personality, I just made the wrong decision.

Btw, I'm not saying anyone should or shouldn't partake in the latest schemes but should make a business call not an emotional one.

whelan2 · 16-12-2016 10:34am

If someone hasn't applied for any of the schemes so far will they get any allocation in the next scheme or are they only open to those who were in before?

ArKl0w · 16-12-2016 10:57am

whelan2 wrote: »

If someone hasn't applied for any of the schemes so far will they get any allocation in the next scheme or are they only open to those who were in before?

This is the rub
No transparency offered on allocations,just a catch all phrase about existing participants being given priority which actually worsens transparency if there was any and there isn't
The jehohavas witness comparison and Orwell animal farm comments earlier seem apt in that context

All members should be treated equally with fixed price schemes End of if we're supposed to be in a Co Operative

Here's the definition of Co operative by the way :

'
A cooperative (also known as co-operative, co-op or coop) is an autonomous association of people united voluntarily to meet their common economic, social and cultural needs and aspirations through a jointly owned and democratically controlled business.

Keepgrowing · 16-12-2016 11:06am

ArKl0w wrote: »

This is the rub
No transparency offered on allocations,just a catch all phrase about existing participants being given priority which actually worsens transparency if there was any and there isn't
The jehohavas witness comparison and Orwell animal farm comments earlier seem apt in that context

All members should be treated equally with fixed price schemes End of if we're supposed to be in a Co Operative

Here's the definition of Co operative by the way :

'
A cooperative (also known as co-operative, co-op or coop) is an autonomous association of people united voluntarily to meet their common economic, social and cultural needs and aspirations through a jointly owned and democratically controlled business.

We do not supply a coop for a start.
The volumes were small, would you suggest a few litres to everyone?

Fixture · 16-12-2016 11:45am

Keepgrowing wrote: »

We do not supply a coop for a start.
The volumes were small, would you suggest a few litres to everyone?

Given where markets are currently at, I reckon allocations will be generous on this occasion. My guess is that lots of "priority" category farmers leaving earlier Schemes will scale back their demands leaving more for anyone else interested.

Fixture · 16-12-2016 11:47am

ArKl0w wrote: »

This is the rub
No transparency offered on allocations,just a catch all phrase about existing participants being given priority which actually worsens transparency if there was any and there isn't
The jehohavas witness comparison and Orwell animal farm comments earlier seem apt in that context

All members should be treated equally with fixed price schemes End of if we're supposed to be in a Co Operative

Here's the definition of Co operative by the way :

'
A cooperative (also known as co-operative, co-op or coop) is an autonomous association of people united voluntarily to meet their common economic, social and cultural needs and aspirations through a jointly owned and democratically controlled business.

Guys who lost out price wise on earlier Schemes got priority accesss and won big in 2015 and 2016. That seems fair to me.

atlantic mist · 16-12-2016 11:47am

new entrants getting supply ring fenced in this fixed price scheme, trading with agri business& liquid lads got priority treatment in a previous scheme....surely if a fixed price scheme by a limited company it should be offered to all no favorites/politics

I feel these fixed price scheme work to reduce the farmers income, processors do not have to work to achieve highest prices if 50% of supply tied up, gii ceo feels 28-30c is a fair price for milk

When the largest processor is pretty much setting average base price at 30c are we driving the price down for all other irish processors as we competing in the same world markets??

visatorro · 16-12-2016 2:16pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Glanbia milk cheques in accounts this morning.

Mine is neither in the account nor is the statement online.!

mahoney_j · 16-12-2016 7:54pm

Arrabawn up 1.5 cent to 29.68 cent vat inc .why they couldn't of had the balls to go another 0.32cent and make it 30 is baffling .milk pricing seems to be sit and see what every one else is at and then match them ,west cork excluded

kevthegaff · 16-12-2016 8:29pm

mahoney_j wrote:

Arrabawn up 1.5 cent to 29.68 cent vat inc .why they couldn't of had the balls to go another 0.32cent and make it 30 is baffling .milk pricing seems to be sit and see what every one else is at and then match them ,west cork excluded

Agree in total j but extra 2 cent for producing a certain % of supply so maybe that's the reason

mahoney_j · 16-12-2016 8:37pm

kevthegaff wrote: »

Agree in total j but extra 2 cent for producing a certain % of supply so maybe that's the reason

There's no mention of that this year Kev,have to say communication and info from management and board to us suppliers is totally piss poor ,always has been ,we've had a thd test thrown in lately with no announcement or info on it .i could go on .announcement of milk price every month is total cloak and dagger stuff ,I've had board members lie to me when asking re milk price ,meeting didn't happen even though I know it did
We could of made a statement this month and paid 30 base minimum ,opportunity missed .i was also quoted 360 for urea Jan delivery this week by them despite another local supplier quoting substantially less.we also have liquid scheme this year paying 12 cent over case at 3.6 and 3.3

kevthegaff · 16-12-2016 10:05pm

mahoney_j wrote:

There's no mention of that this year Kev,have to say communication and info from management and board to us suppliers is totally piss poor ,always has been ,we've had a thd test thrown in lately with no announcement or info on it .i could go on .announcement of milk price every month is total cloak and dagger stuff ,I've had board members lie to me when asking re milk price ,meeting didn't happen even though I know it did We could of made a statement this month and paid 30 base minimum ,opportunity missed .i was also quoted 360 for urea Jan delivery this week by them despite another local supplier quoting substantially less.we also have liquid scheme this year paying 12 cent over case at 3.6 and 3.3

Always were behind on fert, very rare I get fert off them

Keepgrowing · 16-12-2016 10:09pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

There's no mention of that this year Kev,have to say communication and info from management and board to us suppliers is totally piss poor ,always has been ,we've had a thd test thrown in lately with no announcement or info on it .i could go on .announcement of milk price every month is total cloak and dagger stuff ,I've had board members lie to me when asking re milk price ,meeting didn't happen even though I know it did
We could of made a statement this month and paid 30 base minimum ,opportunity missed .i was also quoted 360 for urea Jan delivery this week by them despite another local supplier quoting substantially less.we also have liquid scheme this year paying 12 cent over case at 3.6 and 3.3

Where did you get your fert price?

mahoney_j · 16-12-2016 10:12pm

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Where did you get your fert price?

Arrabawn earlier this week for Jan delievery .ive already bought at a substantially lower price

mahoney_j · 16-12-2016 10:13pm

kevthegaff wrote: »

Always were behind on fert, very rare I get fert off them

I've bought a lot of fertiliser off them for last 2 years Kev ,very competitive .

kevthegaff · 16-12-2016 10:17pm

mahoney_j wrote:

I've bought a lot of fertiliser off them for last 2 years Kev ,very competitive .

Always found Liffeys cheaper on fert by 10+ a ton

whelan2 · 17-12-2016 9:28am

Glanbia statements are up online

stanflt · 17-12-2016 12:37pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Glanbia statements are up online

42.33 for Nov some diff to June - nearly half the volume and same money

farisfat · 17-12-2016 1:24pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

Arrabawn earlier this week for Jan delievery .ive already bought at a substantially lower price

You must have some good connections to buy fertilizer substantially cheaper than that price.

mahoney_j · 17-12-2016 1:57pm

farisfat wrote: »

You must have some good connections to buy fertilizer substantially cheaper than that price.

Than 360 for urea ????.deals been done 280/300 currently

cute geoge · 17-12-2016 2:10pm

What is the going rate for can ,pasture sward at the moment for a 16 ton load

Keepgrowing · 17-12-2016 2:28pm

stanflt wrote: »

42.33 for Nov some diff to June - nearly half the volume and same money

48.5 here inc winter bonus. Great end to the year and December milk still flying in. Big dry off here Tues am, it's a pity to have to stop

mahoney_j · 17-12-2016 2:43pm

39.78 here for November off a base of 29.68 add 0.2 for scc bonus and solids,no winter bonus . down to 3 rows after this am and o rows after next Thursday ,looking forward to been a lazy ****e then

mahoney_j · 17-12-2016 2:45pm

cute geoge wrote: »

What is the going rate for can ,pasture sward at the moment for a 16 ton load

We should really move fertiliser related stuff to that thread ,apologies ''twas me who dropped feet prices in here ðŸ˜ŠðŸ˜Š

farisfat · 17-12-2016 3:19pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

Than 360 for urea ????.deals been done 280/300 currently

Sorry misread thought it was 260
275 i bought for.

blue5000 · 17-12-2016 3:47pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

We should really move fertiliser related stuff to that thread ,apologies ''twas me who dropped feet prices in here ðŸ˜ŠðŸ˜Š

I can pull them out if you want, just let me know, pm is quickest, I'd see it first when I log on.

boggerman1 · 20-12-2016 3:25pm

Final gdt of the yr,down 0.5% on the last one.volumes traded around 23,000 tons.butter up slightly while wmp down 0.8%.

GrasstoMilk · 01-01-2017 7:21pm

Dutch dairy FrieslandCampina cuts January guaranteed milk price @agrilandIreland
http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/dutch-dairy-frieslandcampina-cuts-january-guaranteed-milk-price/

Irish coops need to step up there game

whelan2 · 03-01-2017 4:26pm

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/fall-in-prices-at-the-first-global-dairy-trade-auction-of-2017/

RightTurnClyde · 04-01-2017 1:34pm

Ohh oh
GDT down 3.9%
https://www.globaldairytrade.info/en/product-results/

Buford T. Justice XIX · 04-01-2017 1:40pm

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Ohh oh
GDT down 3.9%
https://www.globaldairytrade.info/en/product-results/

It's driven by WMP, which we don't do much of and skim, butter and BMP are all up which should drive our prices up a bit.

And NZ production doesn't look like it will be rising by much in the current production year either.

boggerman1 · 04-01-2017 1:42pm

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Ohh oh
GDT down 3.9%
https://www.globaldairytrade.info/en/product-results/

Might add a bit of realism expectations on milk price here for 17

OverRide · 04-01-2017 1:52pm

boggerman1 wrote: »

Might add a bit of realism expectations on milk price here for 17

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/gdt-declines-by-3-9-in-first-auction-of-2017-246148

Not according to the comic and the IFA
That auction was up in enough areas to support a 36c/l price EXCLUDING vat

So Glanbia,how about another 7c/l base please instead of your 30 or 31c cod of a fixed price thanks
Give us what you get less a reasonable GIIL margin i.e. 36c/l plus vat thanks?

Milk Price III

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