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Journalism and cycling

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  • #7602
    Duckjob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    Lumen wrote: »
    We possibly have different opinions of what constitutes a serious topic. :)


    Was thinking more about the overall topic of cycling and its role within a good sustainable transport plan, Not necessarily the idea of cyclist reg plates.


  • #7603
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Something seriously messed up with some people...

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/18/sheffield-magazine-under-fire-after-call-to-razor-wire-cyclists
    Sheffield magazine under fire after call to 'razor wire' cyclists

    Editor Ian Macgill says piece in which he called for pavement cyclists to be taught a lesson ‘a piece of whimsy’
    Cyclists have called for a boycott of businesses advertising in a magazine that suggested stringing up razor wire to garrotte people riding bikes on the pavement.

    The editorial in Grapevine magazine, which is delivered free to 23,000 houses in Sheffield each month, recounted a conversation between the editor, Ian Macgill, and an “old chum” in which the latter said pavement cyclists needed to be “taught a lesson” using wire at head height.

    So messed up
    :mad::mad::mad:


  • #7604
    voluntary
    Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭voluntary


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Something seriously messed up with some people...

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/18/sheffield-magazine-under-fire-after-call-to-razor-wire-cyclists





    So messed up
    :mad::mad::mad:

    Nice.

    Encouraging to murder is a crime itself, so somebody notify the prosecutors office please.


  • #7605
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    This happens already without cnuts like him suggesting it. Hope he gets flattened by a 40ft.

    http://www.thebikecomesfirst.com/barbed-wire-strung-across-mountain-bike-trail-in-wales/

    http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/barbed-wire-stretched-neck-height-across-wicklow-cycle-track/


  • #7606
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,241 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    12 element wrote: »
    Noel Gibbons at it again:
    Mayo cyclists saddled with number plates
    made it into the GCN show; 9:40 in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uev0lW46Ssw


  • #7607
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    It's Newstalk. What did you expect? Their target market is Gammon.

    I can't help thinking of it as GammonTalk now.

    Been posted before, but it fits the new name the station now bears in my mind:
    http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2019/02/23/have-your-parents-been-radicalised-by-newstalk-know-the-signs/


  • #7608
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,488 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    I can't help thinking of it as GammonTalk now.
    You're welcome.


  • #7609
    Mc Love
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    This is an absolutely ridiculous ruling
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/18/woman-knocked-down-while-on-phone-wins-payout-from-cyclist


  • #7610
    randomname2005
    Registered Users Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    Mc Love wrote: »
    This is an absolutely ridiculous ruling
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/18/woman-knocked-down-while-on-phone-wins-payout-from-cyclist

    It sounds similar to the law here, or at least what I anecdotally know of the law here, that a pedestrian always has the right of way. If a pedestrian steps off the path in front of a car the driver is at fault for not expecting it. Open to correction on that though.


  • #7611
    Mc Love
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    She was looking at her phone though, and the lights were green, he was only doing 10-15mph and tried to stop. He even sounded his horn, I dont believe the liability should be as high?


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  • #7612
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Mc Love wrote: »
    She was looking at her phone though, and the lights were green, he was only doing 10-15mph and tried to stop. He even sounded his horn, I dont believe the liability should be as high?

    I agree with you but at the same time some here argued car driver should be automatically liable in collision with cyclist or pedestrian.

    Personally I think road users should be responsible for their behaviour and I find judges decision ridiculous.


  • #7613
    Duckjob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    Mc Love wrote: »
    This is an absolutely ridiculous ruling
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/18/woman-knocked-down-while-on-phone-wins-payout-from-cyclist

    I don't have a huge problem with it in principle, since its essentially application of dutch liability principles where the smallest are protested most. It would just be nice if such principles could start being applied across the board as I think on balance it would do wonders for cycle safety.

    I think the cyclist in this case was quite unlucky though. It doesn't sound in this case like he was acting particularly negligently, but I guess the fact that the accident happened should be a reminder to be more mindful at all times of other people behaving stupidly.


  • #7614
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,241 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    as i think i mentioned in a different thread; as the judge ruled they were both 50% responsible, and both knocked out, can the cyclist not take a similar case against the pedestrian?


  • #7615
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,474 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Mc Love wrote: »
    She was looking at her phone though, and the lights were green, he was only doing 10-15mph and tried to stop. He even sounded his horn, I dont believe the liability should be as high?
    He had time to sound his air horn but not stop... Don't you have to take your hand off the bars to operate those?


  • #7616
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    She was found 50 percent liable because she wasn't looking where she was going. Another cyclist gave evidence saying he was behaving aggressively. I'd assume he could sue her too if he wanted to.
    Mr Hazeldean had come through a green traffic light, and had sounded a loud airhorn attached to his Specialized roadbike, as well as shouting, swerving and braking in a bid to avoid the pedestrian.

    Ms Brushett's lawyers told the judge that she could not remember anything about the crash due to "post traumatic amnesia".

    However she relied on the evidence of another cyclist who had witnessed the crash and confronted Mr Hazeldean immediately afterwards.

    That witness had made a voice recording at the time, accusing Mr Hazeldean of "aggressive riding" and calling him "arrogant and reckless".


  • #7617
    RobbieMD
    Registered Users Posts: 449 ✭✭RobbieMD


    Mc Love wrote: »
    She was looking at her phone though, and the lights were green, he was only doing 10-15mph and tried to stop. He even sounded his horn, I dont believe the liability should be as high?

    If a car sounded it’s horn and knocked her down would you not say the driver was responsible? The green light is only an indicator that you may proceed if it’s safe to do so. It’s not an absolute right to proceed. That he sounded the horn would indicate he had seen her on the road and probably went against him.
    The judgment seems fair. They both share equal responsibility for the outcome. Perhaps he will initiate his own proceedings against her now.


  • #7618
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,141 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    The legal principle is that you're not allowed to just run people over because they're twats.

    This is the kind of nanny state political correctness gone mad nonsense we have to live with these days.


  • #7619
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Lumen wrote: »
    The legal principle is that you're not allowed to just run people over because they're twats.

    This is the kind of nanny state political correctness gone mad nonsense we have to live with these days.

    No you are not but the question is when should you be financially liable when they sue for their injuries? And if we move this to Ireland where the awards are overly generous and if there is no insurance to cover them (and even if there is) this is very high price to pay for someone else's stupidity.


  • #7620
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,141 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    meeeeh wrote: »
    No you are not but the question is when should you be financially liable when they sue for their injuries? And if we move this to Ireland where the awards are overly generous and if there is no insurance to cover them (and even if there is) this is very high price to pay for someone else's stupidity.
    Well, the awards are large when the counterparty is an insurer or business. I don't know that legal actions against uninsured individuals have the same outcomes (if they ever proceed).


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  • #7621
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Lumen wrote: »
    Well, the awards are large when the counterparty is an insurer or business. I don't know that legal actions against uninsured individuals have the same outcomes (if they ever proceed).

    Well in the case above it will proceed.


  • #7622
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,141 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Well in the case above it will proceed.
    That's in the UK, so my point stands. And we don't yet know the damages awarded.


  • #7623
    JMcL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭JMcL


    Duckjob wrote: »
    Is it too much to expect media people to challenge mis-information with facts, or is this just part of the Trump style "fake news" world we are in now?

    Unfortunately I'm afraid this is what radio here has by and large become. Pick a topic that'll drum up some Twitter traffic, pick a pair of "experts" with irreconcilable polar opposite opinions, let them holler at each other for 5 minutes and call it journalism. Matt Cooper is the only one I can tolerate these days as at least he does pull them up sometimes when they're spouting complete guff. RTE at least on Morning Ireland and Drivetime don't bring the bile that is Twitter into the equation


  • #7624
    Weepsie
    Site Banned Posts: 20,685 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Maybe this has been posted already

    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/bike-blog/gallery/2019/jun/17/build-it-and-they-will-bike-the-second-bicycle-architecture-biennale-in-pictures


  • #7625
    mr spuckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,121 ✭✭✭mr spuckler


    Weepsie wrote: »
    Maybe this has been posted already

    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/bike-blog/gallery/2019/jun/17/build-it-and-they-will-bike-the-second-bicycle-architecture-biennale-in-pictures

    It's amazing how 'futuristic' those projects look when you consider the approach to cycling infrastructure in Ireland.

    My colleague sitting beside me who currently usually walks to work said straight away how much more inclined she would be to cycle in the city if we had similar infrastructure...


  • #7626
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Some excellent urban designs in Germany and Netherlands (it's always easier to built nice track trough parks), especially that bicycle line under what I presume is S or U Bahn track in Berlin.


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  • #7627
    Weepsie
    Site Banned Posts: 20,685 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    I know it's only a concept at present, but I really like that inverted bridge in New York. Reusing abandoned infrastructure like that is a brilliant idea


  • #7628
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Weepsie wrote: »
    I know it's only a concept at present, but I really like that inverted bridge in New York. Reusing abandoned infrastructure like that is a brilliant idea
    There was talk of repurposiing the dilapidated Galway-Clifden viaduct. That would be a nice cycle.

    580px-Galway_Clifden_Railway.jpg
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=67710179&postcount=132


  • #7629
    Greaney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Greaney


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    There was talk of repurposiing the dilapidated Galway-Clifden viaduct. That would be a nice cycle.

    580px-Galway_Clifden_Railway.jpg
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=67710179&postcount=132

    That's a terrific picture, I love it!!!

    The Connemara Green Way got their funding. Or some of it did. It's happening slowly, so maybe, just maybe it might. I know there's a section of the old railway that runs by a canal off the Corrib, at Bushy Park... i wan't to go Kayaking there myself. Where the greenway meets the blue way is pure gold...


  • #7630
    hans aus dtschl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Some excellent urban designs in Germany and Netherlands (it's always easier to built nice track trough parks), especially that bicycle line under what I presume is S or U Bahn track in Berlin.

    Knowing the area well I can't imagine how that one in Berlin will work.
    Crowds come down from Warschauerstrasse every evening and that's the only walkway. The Oberbaumbrucke archways are full of homeless people and drug dealers and smashed glass, and there's an extremely popular burger bar (burgermeister) exactly where the "artists impression" originates.


  • #7631
    mistermaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23 ✭mistermaster


    Funding for new Greenway projects -
    https://www.thejournal.ie/greenways-cycling-investment-4692786-Jun2019/


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  • #7632
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,241 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Ahead of National Bike Week 2019, Andrea Gilligan was joined in studio by a panel of experts to discuss Ireland's cycling network. She asked if it is fit for purpose, how the infrastructure can be improved, and what needs to be done to get more people out on their bike.

    it's a podcast of the show.

    https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/between-the-lines-with-andrea-gilligan/can-make-cities-safer-better-cycling?fbclid=IwAR1KnpSiLnIciPnMhYqvvY8A66owCekHRCwXqTGbWihTKZAwsd9PESL9TO8

    i'm only 5 minutes in and so far it seems decent enough; and he's not spoken yet, but i did wonder why CF was trotted out yet again.


  • #7633
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,241 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    there's a full page article (well, nearly full) in the weekend review section of today's irish times, prompted by the recent prosecution for the close pass on a cyclist where the video was key.
    it's subscriber only online

    How cyclists’ videos can help convict dangerous drivers
    The video is just eight seconds long. Viewers first see several vehicles driving past a cyclist – and giving him plenty of space as they do so. Then a white van appears, speeding as it overtakes the cyclist with just inches to spare. The van doesn’t clip the rider but it’s a close call.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/how-cyclists-videos-can-help-convict-dangerous-drivers-1.3932077


  • #7634
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,241 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    mod note - i've moved posts about the 100k compensation case in the UK to the parallel thread running on it, just for tidiness sake.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057990434#


  • #7635
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭plodder


    Good discussion on cycling on Newstalk at the moment. All very positive.


  • #7636
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,241 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Bike-sharing removes five tonnes of carbon from Dublin each year - research
    Bike-sharing is cutting out five tonnes of carbon annually in Dublin, new research shows.

    As national bike week is underway, the research – a collaboration between Trinity College, Dublin City Council and bicycle company Bleeperbike – explored the use of stationless bike-sharing.
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/bike-sharing-removes-five-tonnes-of-carbon-from-dublin-each-year--research-932448.html?fbclid=IwAR0DEunXAFRDJU4DiAXQ6sQ6upd_61STy64Op6wYNjCjQlZ3594V0zFhB2o

    i'm a little sceptical about how they could draw specific conclusions, it's such a mess of factors interacting in complex ways with each other.
    also: "On average each Bleeperbike trip burned 140 calories, and the average distance cycled was 2.4 km"
    140 calories for a 2.4km cycle seems improbably high?


  • #7637
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,488 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    it's a podcast of the show.

    https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/between-the-lines-with-andrea-gilligan/can-make-cities-safer-better-cycling?fbclid=IwAR1KnpSiLnIciPnMhYqvvY8A66owCekHRCwXqTGbWihTKZAwsd9PESL9TO8

    i'm only 5 minutes in and so far it seems decent enough; and he's not spoken yet, but i did wonder why CF was trotted out yet again.
    plodder wrote: »
    Good discussion on cycling on Newstalk at the moment. All very positive.
    Sorry, could you say that again please - I must have misheard you.


  • #7638
    Glass Prison 1214
    Registered Users Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭Glass Prison 1214


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Sorry, could you say that again please - I must have misheard you.

    It was surprisingly excellent. Everyone had positive and constructive things to say.

    None of the usual whataboutery stuff about helmets and red lights.


  • #7639
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    140 calories for a 2.4km cycle seems improbably high?

    Bike weight and gear ratio makes it seem improbably low :P


  • #7640
    hesker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,517 ✭✭✭hesker


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/cut-private-cars-on-dublin-streets-to-make-room-for-cyclists-say-experts-1.3935135?mode=amp

    Cut private cars on Dublin streets to make room for cyclists, say experts


  • #7641
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    hesker wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/cut-private-cars-on-dublin-streets-to-make-room-for-cyclists-say-experts-1.3935135?mode=amp

    Cut private cars on Dublin streets to make room for cyclists, say experts
    I'd love to know how many calls of complaint from the car park operators to the city manager have been made so far today!


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  • #7642
    Doc07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Doc07


    hesker wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/cut-private-cars-on-dublin-streets-to-make-room-for-cyclists-say-experts-1.3935135?mode=amp

    Cut private cars on Dublin streets to make room for cyclists, say experts

    I commute by bike 3-4 days a week by SCR. It’s complete gridlock, like some sort of car opera homage to a broken city. All single occupancy cars as well.
    Even the most anti-cyclist car commuters would have to agree it’s a total sh!tshow.
    The cars fill up entire road to the curb so cyclists can’t pass either.
    I now agree with massive inner city car restrictions even though I’m guilty of driving into city center on weekends with kids sometimes.

    And electric cars won’t be any better at driving down gridlocked streets


  • #7643
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    I'd love to know how many calls of complaint from the car park operators to the city manager have been made so far today!

    Sure what other way have people for getting TVs and fridges home other than in the back of their private car.


  • #7644
    JMcL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭JMcL


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    Sure what other way have people for getting TVs and fridges home other than in the back of their private car.

    It's only dawning on me now that this is obviously the main reason cars are getting bigger - good luck trying to fit that 65" flat screen in the back of your 00 reg Fiesta :pac:


  • #7645
    Fian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Fian


    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/jun/25/dublin-disappoints-what-happened-to-city-cyclings-great-hope


    "Dublin disappoints" - the guardian.


  • #7646
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Fian wrote: »
    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/jun/25/dublin-disappoints-what-happened-to-city-cyclings-great-hope


    "Dublin disappoints" - the guardian.

    Cyclings great hope, lol, what kind of moron ever thought we'd have good cycling infrastructure or public transport in Dublin.
    It's a private car city and it wont and can't change any time soon.


  • #7647
    Mickiemcfist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭Mickiemcfist


    Delighted to see the tech companies pushing the council to focus on cycling, it's literally the only voice they'll listen to.


  • #7648
    Duckjob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Cyclings great hope, lol, what kind of moron ever thought we'd have good cycling infrastructure or public transport in Dublin.
    It's a private car city and it wont and can't change any time soon.

    Copenhagenize people just got fooled by the Irish penchant for talking a lot while doing very little.

    Lesson learnt, I would say, to grade cities based on what they have and are actually doing right now, and completely discount what they say they are going to do.


  • #7649
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Dublin isn't a private-car city, I have to say. Only about 30% of people arriving in the city centre arrive that way. It just feels like more because they take up so much space.

    The Copenhagenize Index isn't very rigorous, and a large part of it seems to be opinion and "bonus points". So while I admire their ability to get people to breathlessly await their latest Index, I don't know why people set much store by it, positive or negative. If it's going to be just based on opinion, I'd rather one by bikesnobnyc or someone like that. It probably wouldn't be hugely different in terms of ranking, but at least it would be funny.

    Dont' get me wrong. The authorities have been way too deferential to vested interests, and some quite decent projects have been delayed by about a decade. Dublin doesn't deserve any plaudits. It is an interesting case study though, in how you you can end up with a reasonably high cycling population despite mostly indifference and often contempt being shown to people who elect to travel this way.


  • #7650
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    In fact, that's one angle the Guardian angle didn't look at. The rates of cycling in Dublin are much higher since Dublin appeared briefly on the Index. I think they've topped out for now though. Can't see more vulnerable groups being more represented as things are and seem to be developing.


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  • #7651
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Dublin isn't a private-car city, I have to say. Only about 30% of people arriving in the city centre arrive that way. It just feels like more because they take up so much space.

    Certain parts of the city are absolutely packed with pedestrians while cars whizz by at dangerous speeds. Merrion Row, Baggot st, are my least favourite. Tiny little footpaths and people spilling onto the roads. Dame St, Nassau St, all of these are 100% in favour of the car. It's such a noisy clogged up city these days, it's horrible.


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