Second Captains

captain caveman wrote: »

Is it available on iphone yet? I've gone in a couple of times on the podcast app, but no joy. I do have Vin B & Ken Early N***as in Paris however..

Not showing up for me yet either.

captain caveman wrote: »

Is it available on iphone yet? I've gone in a couple of times on the podcast app, but no joy. I do have Vin B & Ken Early N***as in Paris however..

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Not showing up for me yet either.

There seems to be 2 second captains accounts for me. The show was on the one I didn't have. Once I subscribed to the second one I had it.

I really enjoyed it, bit annoying it being over an hour late... And the lack of GAA coverage was a bit disappointing but I suppose we are in the limbo between league and championship at the moment.

Overall great to have them back. Don't think an hour will ever be sufficient amount of time.

Deedsie wrote: »

And the lack of GAA coverage was great!!

FYP!!

Ste05 wrote: »

FYP!!

Nah, you wrecked it... :-) Soccer over saturation is tiresome. I'm a fan, but Jesus we have a rich sporting culture here. Why neglect any part of it. Equal coverage for all the main ones... Rugby, Soccer and Gaelic Games...

Decent return, though far too much egg chasing for my liking. Dragged massively in that section.

dulpit wrote: »

I listened and enjoyed. It was like a normal show really, although the lack of any live interaction with listeners was a downer (maybe they could look at live streaming with a chat room or similar?).

I did quite like the Frank Sadlier tribute, that was funny, and I liked how they are able to attract good guests (fair enough there is the Irish Times connection for Thornley and family relationship with Shane Horgan).

Wonder what the long term plan is...

That's clearly why they went long on the rugger - cheap/free pundits, at least while they get the thing off the ground.

Enjoyed the show as well and I would be reasonably optimistic for the future. Who knows how new media will go and/or how it will be monetised in the short to medium term.

I will say this - I listened to the podcast last night from 7pm and had absolutely no interest in tuning to "new" OTB afterwards.

The lads are back, they sounded great and Frank Sadlier didn't suffer much at the end.

I'm happy.

Xavi6 wrote: »

Not half the pod dedicated to it. It's a sports show and they only covered rugby and soccer, they could have mixed it up a bit more imo.



I'm perfectly copped on thanks very much :rolleyes:

So much so that I know that rugby and soccer aren't the only things happening so they didn't "cover them all".


The defensiveness should anyone post a criticism of the lads is ridiculous. It's not perfect and people will have gripes, deal with it.

I griped myself about the quality of Shane Horgans phone line. I griped myself at the lack of GAA coverage. I made a universal comment about people giving out when they cover one sport "excessively" in their eyes.

I stand by the comment, it's perfectly reasonable to tell people who (for example) "fyp" change your comment in a quote box to the opposite of what I said to cop on. I'll tell you again though, with your very clever roll eyes, cop on. I don't know why you quoted "cover them all"

They traditionally do cover them all. Very well in my opinion. But you have fools cribbing like children, "no not GAA, no more horse racing, stop covering cycling etc

I'll say it again to these people and not you who seemed to think I was talking to you only. Cop on to yourself

witnessmenow wrote: »

Guys am i missing something? From the description of the first podcast on Itunes



The itunes podcast is only 1:20 mins long?

Think they were being abit flamboyant with the truth tbh.:pac:

cullenswood wrote: »

You are missing the humour!

I guess WOOSH on me

Syferus wrote: »

You had a radio show on a national radio station and you had a fit because they wouldn't give your specialist show a half an hour of one of the station's biggest money-makers, the general audience drive-time show.

I know you and plenty of people here like the lads, and they're obviously good at what they do, but they are taking a significant pay-cut to do essentially the same job through a podcast on the website of a dying newspaper.

Like I said - they threw themselves under the bus and anyone that's looking at this without rose-tinted glasses can see that. Don't blame the hand the feeds when you're the one who bit it off.

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It seems they've messed up the iTunes feed to boot, four days later and not a sign of the proper podcast on it and from the synopsis it sounds like they have no intention of making it easy for people to download the bloody thing through the most popular podcast directory on the internet.

The Irish Times seem to be trying to use the podcast as a click-through driver to get hits for the rest of the website. That the IT haven't a clue about how to deal with new media shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. People want podcasts on the go and having the download file - unadvertised, you have to right click and 'save as' to get the mp3 file - wedged deep into your rss feed is simply not good enough. You're adding hurdles between the consumer and the content.

One last bomb to throw out there - one hour is a laughably short time limit to place on a weekly general sports show, let alone for one whose fans are accustomed to 14 hours a week of non-live coverage. They need to step it up and be producing at least two solid hours a show or it's just going to be a pale imitation of what went before.

Doomed to failure is springs to mind, especially if the Irish Times and the hosts don't get their act together very, very fast because they will be quickly forgotten about when the fanfare dies down.

It is on iTunes since Tuesday afternoon. There are two second captains accounts. Second captains @ Irish times has the proper podcast.

Syferus wrote: »

It seems they've messed up the iTunes feed to boot, four days later and not a sign of the proper podcast on it and from the synopsis it sounds like they have no intention of making it easy for people to download the bloody thing through the most popular podcast directory on the internet.

The iTunes feed works perfectly. You're subscribed to the wrong one. Though I would hope they'll amalgamate the two feeds just for convenience.

The Irish Times seem to be trying to use the podcast as a click-through driver to get hits for the rest of the website. That the IT haven't a clue about how to deal with new media shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. People want podcasts on the go and having the download file - unadvertised, you have to right click and 'save as' to get the mp3 file - wedged deep into your rss feed is simply not good enough. You're adding hurdles between the consumer and the content.

Of course the IT want it to drive traffic to their site. Surely that's the entire point of the podcast? They're not hosting it out of the goodness of their hearts. Only thing missing is a direct download link on the site, which seems to be a limitation of Soundcloud's webplayer.



Anyway, just took a look on the IT site there, almost 21,000 plays since Tuesday. I wonder if that takes into account the iTunes downloads...

wnolan1992 wrote: »

The iTunes feed works perfectly. You're subscribed to the wrong one. Though I would hope they'll amalgamate the two feeds just for convenience.



Of course the IT want it to drive traffic to their site. Surely that's the entire point of the podcast? They're not hosting it out of the goodness of their hearts. Only thing missing is a direct download link on the site, which seems to be a limitation of Soundcloud's webplayer.



Anyway, just took a look on the IT site there, almost 21,000 plays since Tuesday. I wonder if that takes into account the iTunes downloads...

Hmm, it's a real mess then because the links brought me to the one with two clips and there was no directory page on iTunes for the creator of the Second Captains feed; in other words the two feed weren't even made using the same account.

Maybe I should be clearer - podcasts as click-through generators is not a viable strategy. Podcasts aren't even as useful for that as three minute videos because the majority of people will download the file from a feed, at least if that's a clear option. Anyone that uses the Soundcloud option isn't staring at IT.com for 1 hour 16 minutes, it's just playing in the background and the number that used it to listen to first episode will decrease because the people who really care enough to keep listening will figure out how to get a download, something that is infinitely more useful in daily life than a stream.

The Times will get a few thousand cheap hits per episode but the value to the site as a whole will be negligible. People are coming for a podcast, not to read text. There isn't going to be huge crossover. The vast majority of professional websites' podcasts are hosted by people already on staff, something that is obviously not the case here. IT are paying five people (at least) money to produce the show. Even a small amount will eat into any ad revenue they'll earn from the extra hits. On top of that ad revenue is so miniscule that you need thousands upon thousands upon thousands of hits to make a ripple in the balance books. They'll probably preserve for a while because it's going to be a prestige production for the website but this ain't This American Life we're talking about.

It's a losing tact, particularly when they can't even sort their feeds out.

Like I said, this is nothing personal against the five lads who were actually quite good at what they did. The sad part is some of their best stuff was covering games live from the sidelines but that's out the window with this arrangement. As it stands the Off the Ball that continued in their absence is an infinitely better source for general sports.

Just wondering if its going to last, I'm not a sports fan but i used to dip in and out of OTB if was pottering about the kitchen at night....dont know if i'll be dijg the same with a podcast.

Looking at their soundcloud stats, you'd have to wonder...the first full show got 23K plays, thats after a week, compared to 40K listeners on Newstalk a night?

Enjoyed it, the O'Driscoll interview was very good.