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Munster Team Talk Thread - Snymans are(n't) Forever

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    #4112
    thomond2006
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If he's not due back until October than I wouldn't be overly concerned. I wonder are there generally more squad level players from France / England floating around now due to Covid.

    I don't think we'll go into the market unless JJ or Rory Scannell goes down. We can count our lucky stars that the signings we previously signed were still able to take place.


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    #4113
    Tomtom364
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If he's not due back until October than I wouldn't be overly concerned. I wonder are there generally more squad level players from France / England floating around now due to Covid.
    Munster Squad Update wrote:
    Joey Carbery (wrist/ankle) is also continuing to rehab well and the out-half is expected to make a return to action in September.

    https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2020/06/22/squad-update-return-to-training/


    Expect the academy lads are getting a chance to put a run in for the bench outhalf slot though you have to imagine if DdA is fit for the August games then Rory Scannell is prime candidate for the 22 jersey


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    #4114
    Cookiemunster
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    I don't think we'll go into the market unless JJ or Rory Scannell goes down. We can count our lucky stars that the signings we previously signed were still able to take place.

    Private money that was already in place. They were always coming.


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    #4115
    Kirk Van Houten
    Registered Users Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Kirk Van Houten


    Given how the English clubs have torn up legally binding contracts of some of their top players and intend to flog the players by asking them to play 3 games a week to finish out the season I can see Ireland becoming an even more attractive proposition for big name players post covid. Japan is the destination of choice for money and an easier life. England and France will take their pound of flesh for the money but Ireland remains a good middle ground in terms of money and quality of rugby.


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    #4116
    Cookiemunster
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    Kirk Van Houten wrote: »
    Given how the English clubs have torn up legally binding contracts of some of their top players and intend to flog the players by asking them to play 3 games a week to finish out the season I can see Ireland becoming an even more attractive proposition for big name players post covid. Japan is the destination of choice for money and an easier life. England and France will take their pound of flesh for the money but Ireland remains a good middle ground in terms of money and quality of rugby.


    We've got NIQ quotas and players have just agreed paycuts. You won't be seeing any influx of overseas players anytime soon.


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    #4117
    Kirk Van Houten
    Registered Users Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Kirk Van Houten


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    We've got NIQ quotas and players have just agreed paycuts. You won't be seeing any influx of overseas players anytime soon.

    Not talking about an influx but responding to the idea we won't see big names coming here post covid.


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    #4118
    Eod100
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    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    Private money that was already in place. They were always coming.

    Any either of secure? Is it like DOB with Sexton scenario so someone like JP McManus?


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    #4119
    Kirk Van Houten
    Registered Users Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Kirk Van Houten


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Any either of secure? Is it like DOB with Sexton scenario so someone like JP McManus?

    It has never been officially confirmed but I don't believe it is JP. I had heard this was a result of a number of years ground work in securing new revenue streams from benefactors outside of Ireland.


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    #4120
    GerryFog
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    Mods deleted the James Cronin doping thread. Such a joke


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    #4121
    mun1
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    I doubt it was JP who stumped up for the two players


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    #4122
    mun1
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    Anyone a find it odd head coach talking about new signings all being “winners” ( or words to that effect).
    Bit of interview i heard Sounded a bit desperate to be honest .

    Hope it all works out but I’m a fundamentally a pessimist and soundings like this can undermine a squad


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    #4123
    Cookiemunster
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    mun1 wrote: »
    Anyone a find it odd head coach talking about new signings all being “winners” ( or words to that effect).
    Bit of interview i heard Sounded a bit desperate to be honest .

    Hope it all works out but I’m a fundamentally a pessimist and soundings like this can undermine a squad

    No, not at all. And he didn't say that they were winners, he said that the came from winning environments so they new what it took to win things.

    Exact quote from JVG.
    “Everybody knows the ambition and dreams that we have as a club and I think it’s important to note that if you look at the four individuals,they all come from championship-winning teams and that’s something that we want to become.”

    Nothing at all desperate about it.


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    #4124
    Scottmactom
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    Salanoa had no impact what so ever on leinster being a winning team.


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    #4125
    salmocab
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    Scottmactom wrote: »
    Salanoa had no impact what so ever on leinster being a winning team.

    Not the player but the culture of winning would be there


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    #4126
    thomond2006
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    mun1 wrote: »
    Anyone a find it odd head coach talking about new signings all being “winners” ( or words to that effect).
    Bit of interview i heard Sounded a bit desperate to be honest .

    Hope it all works out but I’m a fundamentally a pessimist and soundings like this can undermine a squad

    Coach in talking up signings shocker.


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    #4127
    mun1
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    I suppose we should be more worried if he was using words like development, rebuilding etc..


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    #4128
    thomond2006
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    mun1 wrote: »
    I suppose we should be more worried if he was using words like development, rebuilding etc..

    Bingo. The two year window of DDA and Snyman at Munster needs to deliver progress.


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    #4129
    Former Former
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Bingo. The two year window of DDA and Snyman at Munster needs to deliver progress.

    Agreed, Munster have been "in transition" for 10 years at this stage, time to actually do it.

    I was more worried about the comments on Carbery tbh.


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    #4130
    thomond2006
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    Former Former wrote: »
    Agreed, Munster have been "in transition" for 10 years at this stage, time to actually do it.

    I was more worried about the comments on Carbery tbh.

    All the academy 10s are training with the seniors now. I don't know the story but perhaps Carbery is focusing on the 2020/21 start.


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    #4131
    mun1
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    Really need carbery back as there are still a few weak points in the squad. Weak points being positions where we don’t have players challenging for internal honors:

    2, 3, 5, 7, 15 (Conway at 14 ?.

    Even at that our front 5 really needed snymen to add that bit if extra oomph.

    11, 6 & 8 being at the tail end of the quite brilliant careers means their understudies need to be able to push them out of the way rather than waiting for them to retire.

    Our front row needs younger players to step up , hopefully see a bit of gametime for Knox etc this season.

    Great additions for coming season though


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    #4132
    The Lost Sheep
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    mun1 wrote: »
    Really need carbery back as there are still a few weak points in the squad. Weak points being positions where we don’t have players challenging for internal honors:

    2, 3, 5, 7, 15 (Conway at 14 ?.

    Even at that our front 5 really needed snymen to add that bit if extra oomph.

    11, 6 & 8 being at the tail end of the quite brilliant careers means their understudies need to be able to push them out of the way rather than waiting for them to retire.

    Our front row needs younger players to step up , hopefully see a bit of gametime for Knox etc this season.

    Great additions for coming season though
    I dont see hooker as an issue with scannell, Marshall,
    You dobt necessarily have to have players challenging for international spot in every position.


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    #4133
    shootermacg
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    I dont see hooker as an issue with scannell, Marshall,
    You dobt necessarily have to have players challenging for international spot in every position.

    Scannell has regressed at 2. He was a better player 2 years ago. Kevin O'Byrne and Marshall are very good players though.


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    #4134
    Caranica
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    shootermacg wrote: »
    Scannell has regressed at 2. He was a better player 2 years ago. Kevin O'Byrne and Marshall are very good players though.

    And Marshall will be challenging for an international spot if he gets the game time. Joe Schmidt had him firmly in his sights


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    #4135
    FrannoFan
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    I dont see hooker as an issue with scannell, Marshall,
    You dobt necessarily have to have players challenging for international spot in every position.

    Look at the quality of the Heineken cup winners/finalists the last few years.

    Scannel no where near that level.


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    #4136
    OneLungDavy
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    yerrahbah wrote: »

    3 new players in the Academy.

    Stafford and Tynan leave the club

    Whatever happened to Daniel Okeke? I remember there was a lot of hype about him last year.


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    #4137
    theVersatile
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    OneLungDavy wrote: »
    Whatever happened to Daniel Okeke? I remember there was a lot of hype about him last year.

    Probably spending a year in sub academy - he's a serious physical specimen but Alex Kendellan making the Academy this year ahead of him out of school would indicate that he's lacking on some other front (skill, attitude, fitness, smarts, who knows.)


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    #4138
    OneLungDavy
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    Kendellan getting in the academy so young is impressive, do you know much about him?


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    #4139
    The Lost Sheep
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    FrannoFan wrote: »
    Look at the quality of the Heineken cup winners/finalists the last few years.

    Scannel no where near that level.
    probably wont but between himself and Marshall you have an excellent pair
    OneLungDavy wrote: »
    Whatever happened to Daniel Okeke? I remember there was a lot of hype about him last year.
    been in sub academy. Still underage for 20s next season. Played ail and 20s this season
    OneLungDavy wrote: »
    Kendellan getting in the academy so young is impressive, do you know much about him?
    he isnt that young. Entering having just finished u19 season.


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    #4140
    Niallof9
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    probably wont but between himself and Marshall you have an excellent pair
    been in sub academy. Still underage for 20s next season. Played ail and 20s this season
    he isnt that young. Entering having just finished u19 season.

    yeah he is, he's straight out of school...

    https://www.the42.ie/presentation-brothers-college-st-munchins-munster-senior-cup-5022903-Feb2020/


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    #4141
    Scottmactom
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    OneLungDavy wrote: »
    Whatever happened to Daniel Okeke? I remember there was a lot of hype about him last year.

    more of an athlete than a rugby player.


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