Negative vaping publicity

BDI · 20-09-2019 8:09pm

Calltocall wrote: »

So of all the millions that have vaped over the years suddenly a tiny number with symptoms manifest at pretty much exactly the same time and become headline news, defies logic, there should be a pattern of illnesses over many years, this is just out of the blue and dubious to say the least. Btw I don’t sell vape products.

Just like all illnesses start. It’s not like in films where one person gets sick and the world health organization turn up in hazmat suits to isolate them. First fella was probably coughing for months. His doctor telling him he’s grand, sure vaping is harmless you just have a lung infection.

Calltocall · 20-09-2019 8:11pm

Calltocall wrote: »

So of all the millions that have vaped over the years suddenly a tiny number with symptoms manifest at pretty much exactly the same time and become headline news, defies logic, there should be a pattern of illnesses over many years, this is just out of the blue and dubious to say the least. Btw I don’t sell vape products.

It sounds more like a bad batch of something, I’ve read that cannabis liquid has been identified in a number of the cases, but looking at it objectively these cases are being reported in the states/canada yet in the uk no reports of serious illness etc (a country with millions of vapers). It’s just not adding up to me.

corkie · 20-09-2019 8:12pm

Calltocall wrote: »

My question on this is........why now? Millions vaping for years and then all of a sudden a couple of months ago we have deaths and serious illnesses reported around the exact same time in The states, just defies logic that of all the millions that vaped over the years we wouldn’t have had a string of deaths but suddenly out of the blue a tiny number get sick at the same time and now vaping can kill. What’s really going on here?

Have you read any of the thread. A contaminate (Vitamin E Acetate) supply of Black Market THC carts hit the market in the states. And possibly black-market JUUL pods as well.

BDI wrote: »

Seriously?
It takes a few years to manifest?
Next year will have more,

With the ban on flavorings etc, will lead to a bigger black-market for it, creating increase in Health Problems.

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BDI · 20-09-2019 8:12pm

Calltocall wrote: »

It sounds more like a bad batch of something, I’ve read that cannabis liquid has been identified in a number of the cases, but looking at it objectively these cases are being reported in the states/canada yet in the uk no reports of serious illness etc (a country with millions of vapers). It’s just not adding up to me.

I wonder did people start vaping in the us before U.K.

corkie · 20-09-2019 8:16pm

BDI wrote: »

I wonder did people start vaping in the us before U.K.

A Historical Timeline of Electronic Cigarettes

April 2006: Electronic cigarettes introduced to Europe.

2006-2007: Electronic cigarettes introduced to the U.S. (The first import ruling locatable in the U.S. Customs and Border Protection website database is dated August 22, 2006. NY M85579)

But Vaping has been a thing long before ecigs, search for 'when did vaping start' must popular result is sponsored by 'JUUL', so not linking it.

Vaping is a modern trend, but even new vapes have their roots in ancient history. Ancient Egypt is known for its vaping techniques, such as using hot stones to vape herbs. Thousands of years ago the first shisha was introduced to India. All those techniques led to the invention of current vapes as we know them today.

Vaping does not necessarily mean nicotine(eliquid).
As Drinking does not have to mean alcohol.

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Spanish Eyes · 20-09-2019 8:26pm

Bootleg batch of vape liquid that was somehow contaminated with dodge CBD oil is my guess.

But that won't stop the evangelists. Vapers, brace yourselves for more of this anti vaping propoganda.

Cannabis and guns are legal in the US (well cannabis in many States now), but vaping is the evil one now.

Calltocall · 20-09-2019 8:28pm

corkie wrote: »

A Historical Timeline of Electronic Cigarettes

I’ve read it now, so my hunch was correct, a bad batch of juice has caused this, it makes sense, however the reaction has all ready and will continue to be completely over the top, let’s ban em all rather than considering the fact that vaping has saved many many lives from death by smoking cigarettes over the years yet soon the vapes could be banned yet you can walk into your local shop and buy twenty blue no problem which are guaranteed to cause health problems and eventually kill you, you couldn’t make it up it’s a mad world.

Dr Bill V1.5 · 20-09-2019 8:29pm

BDI wrote: »

They could just tax vaping like they tax cigarettes there is no conspiracy.
Asbestos, silica dust, tobacco/nicotine, and now vape.
Your lungs are very delicate and certIn sized toxic particles can get in to certain parts of the lungs and never come back out some day causing health issues.
A chap was telling me they have dudes on YouTube now doing vape competitions blowing smoke rings and stuff to advertise this stupid addiction to children and resurrect the circle of nicotine addiction to another generation.
Read Alan Carr’s easy way to stop smoking and you won’t think you need any of this stuff.

I have a strong feeling a lot of the people who post in here are selling the accessories.

Would you be so good as to define 'accessories' for me please.

J Mysterio · 20-09-2019 9:02pm

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1175105322161246210

mewso · 20-09-2019 9:11pm

BDI wrote: »

They could just tax vaping like they tax cigarettes there is no conspiracy.
Asbestos, silica dust, tobacco/nicotine, and now vape.
Your lungs are very delicate and certIn sized toxic particles can get in to certain parts of the lungs and never come back out some day causing health issues.
A chap was telling me they have dudes on YouTube now doing vape competitions blowing smoke rings and stuff to advertise this stupid addiction to children and resurrect the circle of nicotine addiction to another generation.
Read Alan Carr’s easy way to stop smoking and you won’t think you need any of this stuff.

I have a strong feeling a lot of the people who post in here are selling the accessories.

Mod Hat On: This forum is for people who enjoy and advocate vaping as an alternative to smoking. It is not for people to come in and tell people they know better. Any more posts like this and you can have a break from the forum. If you don't like vaping that is fine but you don't get to tell people in here they are wrong to make this choice. Most here will agree it's wrong to be pushing vaping to children but most here are adults making a personal choice. Also cease the insinuations about what posters may or may not be selling. Thank you.

nuttyboy79 · 20-09-2019 10:32pm

This cropped up on a FB group and shows why it's all blowing up imo. As well this apparently is the first year these payments were capped. Coincidence maybe, bullcrap maybe but it all seems too ring true to me.

If this is to be believed who do you trust when you hear about the NHS in the U.K. opening e-cigarette shops in hospitals and then you hear all the scare stories coming from the U.S. the country who as laid out in the video are in the pockets of big tobacco companies or the country whose public health system has no money connections to big tobacco. As it was said in All the President's men "follow the money"

corkie · 21-09-2019 8:49pm

[MSA] [BBC] Why is the Fed pumping money into the banking system? <<< 19 September 2019!

[Vaping With Vic]
Watts UP Special - The Current US Vape Ban Problem...and possibly its reason...

Follow the $$$$$!

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Calibos · 22-09-2019 9:06am

Vaping hit piece on the front page of the Sunday Mirror today, calling for a ban on ecigs and claiming that vaping is worse than smoking and drinking combined and it'd be healthier to smoke. Un-fcuking-believable!!

Its bad enough listening to gobsh1tes still smoking the last few years lecturing you that 'they heard that vaping is just as bad as cigarettes', but this new wave of ill-informed scaremongering clickbait BS on social media and print is going to turn that random gobsh1te into an 'expert'.

SMH.

Look, i'm off the smokes long enough now (6+ years) thanks to vaping to know that no matter what happens I'll never go back to smoking, but if this current wave of anti vaping BS succeeds in getting the things banned, then the ringleaders need to be hung drawn and quartered due to the deaths its going to cause.

corkie · 22-09-2019 12:29pm

Dr Bill V1.5 wrote: »

I'll still take these guys at their word and the good old US can go take a jump.

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2019/02/27/e-cigarette-evidence-update-patterns-and-use-in-adults-and-young-people/

Calibos wrote: »

Vaping hit piece on the front page of the Sunday Mirror today, calling for a ban on ecigs and claiming that vaping is worse than smoking and drinking combined and it'd be healthier to smoke. Un-fcuking-believable!!

[irishmirror] Leading heart consultant calls for ban on vaping 'which is more dangerous that smoking and alcohol combined'

President of the International Society For Vascular Surgery, Prof Sherif Sultan, described e-cigarettes as “the disaster of the century”.

22-09-2019 7:47pm

corkie wrote: »

[irishmirror] Leading heart consultant calls for ban on vaping 'which is more dangerous that smoking and alcohol combined'

Poor grammar on his homepage and also it seems the good Professor can't count.

And since when did professors of surgery have their own website?

corkie · 22-09-2019 8:33pm

Vaping with Vic and/or the BBC got the size/amount of Indian vapers wrong!

Watts UP?! - Ep 222 - 60K Sub Boxaway, TPD2 Rumours and more advocacy stuff

^^^ What else is he speculating on that could be wrong.

TPD2 Rumors? Increase in the tanks and bottle limitations? Closing the Short-fill loophole?

Haven't found anything on this googling, is TPD2 already published?

As for a professor with own webpage and the source of the article had me questioning it as well. Was he taken out of context and quoted wrong or something. Who in there right mind would agree to be published like that?

corkie · 22-09-2019 10:58pm

Incorrect reporting on vaping has also spread to here: -

[independent] UL calls for vaping to be banned at all Irish campuses: 'We are facing into unchartered territories'

And the irishexaminer

Guffy · 23-09-2019 12:03am

Was mentioned today in ecig store that there was a new tax coming in?

They the free shot of nicotine will no longer be free if you take the 50/50 due to tax but 70/30 is fine.

Any ideas if this is linked to the negative publicity as of late or been coming for a while?

youcancallmeal · 23-09-2019 8:28am

corkie wrote: »

[irishmirror] Leading heart consultant calls for ban on vaping 'which is more dangerous that smoking and alcohol combined'

I'm finding it hard to understand why a surgeon would make claims like this with no real evidence to back it up. Surely if he had some inside track he could publish a medical paper and get world wide acclaim

23-09-2019 8:28am

Guffy wrote: »

Was mentioned today in ecig store that there was a new tax coming in?

They the free shot of nicotine will no longer be free if you take the 50/50 due to tax but 70/30 is fine.

Any ideas if this is linked to the negative publicity as of late or been coming for a while?

Sounds like speculation to me.

Put it like this, Minimum Unit Pricing was in Fine Gaels manifesto and it hasn't come in yet. The negative vaping publicity only started a couple of weeks ago.

bladespin · 23-09-2019 11:05am

Definitely a concerted media effort to vilify vaping at the moment, hatchet stories all round, just asking for some minister to step in and save the children now.

This manipulation would make you sicker than smoking ever could.

conjon · 23-09-2019 11:19am

youcancallmeal wrote: »

I'm finding it hard to understand why a surgeon would make claims like this with no real evidence to back it up. Surely if he had some inside track he could publish a medical paper and get world wide acclaim

My thoughts when I saw this yesterday was where's his funding coming from. A complete hatchet job

Captcha · 23-09-2019 11:19am

bladespin wrote: »

Definitely a concerted media effort to vilify vaping at the moment, hatchet stories all round, just asking for some minister to step in and save the children now.

This manipulation would make you sicker than smoking ever could.

How is such information and hyperbole enabled?

The people making these claims to ban vaping etc need to be held to account when things get verified. At least on social media and the internet, the hyperbole propagators in positions with merit need to be called out...

bladespin · 23-09-2019 11:27am

Captcha wrote: »

How is such information and hyperbole enabled?

The people making these claims to ban vaping etc need to be held to account when things get verified. At least on social media and the internet, the hyperbole propagators in positions with merit need to be called out...

As usual it's down to saying something without actually stating any facts, US vaping related deaths (where there's absolutely 0 regulation for liquids etc) are their whipping sticks - though funnily none here or in the UK?, apparently 6 people have died from vaping related illnesses so far (no proof that vaping actually killed any though), leaving out the fact that about 40k have dies so far from smoking related illnesses (links proven).

Also, Mr. UL seems to be a particularly ignorant type considering I have never witnessed any advertising for vaping aimed at children and the young??? I've been vaping years, what have I missed lol.

23-09-2019 11:34am

Dr. Sultan Sherif wrote:

Upon obtaining his medical degree from the Ain Shams University in 1987, he was first specialized in general and vascular surgery. Following completion of a master degree in surgery in 1991, he then worked solely in vascular surgery.

Dr. Sultan Sherif wrote:

.. Prof Sherif Sultan is widely regarded as the best vascular surgeon in Ireland boasting 30 years vascular experience

Boasting is right. He obtained his masters of Surgery in 1991 and has worked in Vascular surgery ever since. 2019 minus 1991 is 28 years experience. Not 30.

corkie · 23-09-2019 7:47pm

Dr Bill V1.5 wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/groups/450591418445468/

For anyone on Facebook, here's a group that you might be interested in joining.

Tom from NNA Ireland was on Newstalk lunchtime, second speaker.

[newstalk] Should vaping be banned in public places?

At present the states are legalizing marijuana and attempting to ban flavored eliquid or in some, devices as well like India.

Disclaimer: - I'm middle age man, who enjoys vaping flavors (i.e. 'NY Cheesecake' & 'Bubblegum Blast'). I'm not affiliated with any store or review site.

Captcha · 24-09-2019 9:31am

corkie wrote: »

Tom from NNA Ireland was on Newstalk lunchtime, second speaker.

[newstalk] Should vaping be banned in public places?

At present the states are legalizing marijuana and attempting to ban flavored eliquid or in some, devices as well like India.

Disclaimer: - I'm middle age man, who enjoys vaping flavors (i.e. 'NY Cheesecake' & 'Bubblegum Blast'). I'm not affiliated with any store or review site.

Firstly marijuana is not a term that should be used to name cannabis. Secondly, cannabis is safe for adults, maybe even good for you in general.

The cannabis cartridges bought on the street created by criminals due to prohibition still being a thing is many states and the history of black markets means that criminals make THC type carts with dangerous mixtures such as vitamin E acetate or other unknown substances. It is naieve and just as dangerous to take a negative stance on cannabis as it is to vaping, probably worse, given how cannabis is saving so many lives. Look at Ava Twomney in Cork and her very brave mother.

Captcha · 24-09-2019 11:53am

Having learned nothing more than a century after the start of Prohibition and after decades of the war on drug's utter and complete failure, the federal government has decided to turn legal vaping into enemy No. 1.

So what if the Sackler family walks free while 130 Americans die of opioid overdoses per day? The nanny state has an axe to grind with your vapes.

The Trump administration's push to all but ban vaping from the legal market isn't quite a war on e-cigarettes. That would imply that it's the nicotine pods that are causing a curious strain of lung problems in vapers when, in all likelihood, it's illegal THC-laced pods from the black market that are responsible. Naturally, both parties have joined forces to push the legal vape pods to the black market and make it just as easy as before to buy the illegal ones that might just kill you.

Your resistance, legally speaking, is futile. Despite Juul's best efforts to fit in with Washington sycophants and bend the knee to our regulatory overlords, the Food and Drug Administration, the White House, and now the bloviating big government on both sides of the political aisle aren't budging in their misdirected ire. However, your market power is not.

It's time to vote with your dollars and prepare for the worst. Go to your local 7-Eleven, or even better yet, your neighborhood mom and pop vape shop and stock up on Juul pods.

Today, protesters are expected to shut down the streets of D.C. to stick it to climate change. It won't really accomplish anything aside from enraging those of us with jobs to get to and perhaps exacerbate greenhouse gas emissions by bringing traffic to a standstill, but I have to appreciate the passion. As the great Dylan Thomas once instructed, rage against the dying of the light. Or the certainty of death caused by climate change. Or the certainty of Beltway authoritarians banning your Juul pods.

So go ahead and pick up some Juul pods, and maybe a case of White Claw while you're at it, and say goodbye to summer and yet another receding free market as you take a hit of a product that almost certainly won't kill one half of its lifelong users.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/go-stock-up-on-juul-pods

corkie · 24-09-2019 1:17pm

Some favorable publishing!

[ASH][PDF] Use of e-cigarettes (vaporisers) among adults in Great Britain

Picked up by SkyNews: -

Vaping in the UK continues to grow as fears about safety increase
More than half the people using e-cigarettes are ex-smokers who have used vaping to help quit.

rob316 · 25-09-2019 9:54am

The market is as good as gone in the US anyway, Massachusetts just put a 4 month ban on every vaping product.
Bar one decent article I read in the Washington Post none of the media are reading between the lines here, this is an American problem. The symptom of a totally unregulated market.

25-09-2019 1:43pm

Someone on from the Asthma Society of ireland calling for a ban on vaping products to save the children and save the asthmatics. Every day the world becomes more Nanny statesque.

My primary worry is that my safe, regulated vape juice will be pushed underground and instead of making it safe, it will then become detrimental to my health.

Shinobollo · 25-09-2019 1:54pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Someone on from the Asthma Society of ireland calling for a ban on vaping products to save the children and save the asthmatics. Every day the world becomes more Nanny statesque.

My primary worry is that my safe, regulated vape juice will be pushed underground and instead of making it safe, it will then become detrimental to my health.

Pure ****e. A number of contributors to this forum have stated that their asthma was alleviated by switching to vaping

partyguinness · 25-09-2019 1:56pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Boasting is right. He obtained his masters of Surgery in 1991 and has worked in Vascular surgery ever since. 2019 minus 1991 is 28 years experience. Not 30.

Read it again and slowly this time.

From 1987, he worked in general and vascular surgery. He then specialised in vascular from 1991. That equates to 32 years in vascular- which BTW is higher number than 30.

partyguinness · 25-09-2019 2:01pm

youcancallmeal wrote: »

I'm finding it hard to understand why a surgeon would make claims like this with no real evidence to back it up. Surely if he had some inside track he could publish a medical paper and get world wide acclaim

Oh I dunno because maybe he is a surgeon and with all sorts of medical qualifications and first hand experience. Medical papers and studies take years to compile after peer review.

I guessing that jumping 500ft off a cliff is bad for my health but without 'real evidence' and a peer reviewed medical paper I am not buying it.

But I'm sure you know better.

25-09-2019 2:22pm

partyguinness wrote: »

Read it again and slowly this time.

Your condescending style is a welcome addition to this thread.

I guessing that jumping 500ft off a cliff is bad for my health but without 'real evidence' and a peer reviewed medical paper I am not buying it.

But I'm sure you know better.

More solid gold analysis. Thank you so much for your contribution.

Dr Bill V1.5 · 25-09-2019 2:35pm

partyguinness wrote: »

Oh I dunno because maybe he is a surgeon and with all sorts of medical qualifications and first hand experience. Medical papers and studies take years to compile after peer review.

I guessing that jumping 500ft off a cliff is bad for my health but without 'real evidence' and a peer reviewed medical paper I am not buying it.

But I'm sure you know better.

No one is claiming to 'know better' but what vapers would like to know are the facts in relation to any claim being made that vaping is as bad,worse or better than smoking. After all, for most vapers, it was a personal choice to switch from smoking to vaping in order to reduce the health risks associated with smoking, the data available re vaping as a means of smoking cessation has always been positive.

https://www.nhs.uk/smokefree/help-and-advice/e-cigarettes

Jumping off a 500ft cliff is something you'll do once in your life so a medical paper won't really be of benefit to you, however, people have been vaping many years with very little negative feedback so it's only proper that if an expert in this area has some definitive information then pass it on.

partyguinness · 25-09-2019 3:15pm

Dr Bill V1.5 wrote: »

No one is claiming to 'know better' but what vapers would like to know are the facts in relation to any claim being made that vaping is as bad,worse or better than smoking. After all, for most vapers, it was a personal choice to switch from smoking to vaping in order to reduce the health risks associated with smoking, the data available re vaping as a means of smoking cessation has always been positive.

https://www.nhs.uk/smokefree/help-and-advice/e-cigarettes

Jumping off a 500ft cliff is something you'll do once in your life so a medical paper won't really be of benefit to you, however, people have been vaping many years with very little negative feedback so it's only proper that if an expert in this area has some definitive information then pass it on.

I might survive. Who knows right?

It is not unreasonable to conclude that swapping one set of chemicals for another and pumping it into your lungs on a daily basis is still going to be bad for you whatever way you want to spin it. So really you are only talking in terms of badness e.g. cigarettes have more chemicals and crap so they should be worse for you. The bar is pretty low.

I guess a lot of budding entrepreneurs have jumped on the vaping bandwagon with new shops, leases etc and it is in their interest to be somewhat dismissal of any negative publicity. Dress it up as concern for the lack of empirical evidence if you like.

partyguinness · 25-09-2019 3:18pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Your condescending style is a welcome addition to this thread.

More solid gold analysis. Thank you so much for your contribution.

A surgeon spoke out against vaping and the best response you can come up with is that he only has 28 years vascular rather than 30 ergo he cannot be taken serious.

My post was condescending in tone because that is what your juvenile post deserved.

Anyway, I am out of here. I do not wish to derail your thread.

The Nal · 25-09-2019 3:24pm

The main ingredients in most vaping oils are propylene glycol which is totally harmless and vegetable glycerin which is used in ice cream and toothpaste.

If theres something dodgy on the label, dont smoke it.

Dr Bill V1.5 · 25-09-2019 3:35pm

partyguinness wrote: »

I might survive. Who knows right?

It is not unreasonable to conclude that swapping one set of chemicals for another and pumping it into your lungs on a daily basis is still going to be bad for you whatever way you want to spin it. So really you are only talking in terms of badness e.g. cigarettes have more chemicals and crap so they should be worse for you. The bar is pretty low.

I guess a lot of budding entrepreneurs have jumped on the vaping bandwagon with new shops, leases etc and it is in their interest to be somewhat dismissal of any negative publicity. Dress it up as concern for the lack of empirical evidence if you like.

Haha, you seem to have attempted to jump on the wagon here and missed the step. It's obvious from your basic knowledge posts that you know very little on the subject of vaping, it's intended use by the 200k or so vapers in Ireland and the majority of members in this forum, I see from your following post that your 'outa here' so I won't bother trying to educate you, pity really, or maybe you're like the good doctor we discussed earlier, make assumptions, drop a few badly re searched statements and..... disappear.

corkie · 25-09-2019 3:37pm

The Nal wrote: »

The main ingredients in most vaping oils are propylene glycol which is totally harmless and vegetable glycerin which is used in ice cream and toothpaste.

If theres something dodgy on the label, dont smoke it.

I will correct you there, there is NO OILS in eliquid (legal TPD in EU or FDA (Federal Death Agency) approved in US).

Just because they are manufactured/extract from oils, doesn't make them oils.

I have also made the mistake of calling them oils.

Easy test get a shot glass of water and drop vegetable oil into it, and compare with doing the same with eliquid. eliquid will just dissolve in it, where as oils will bubble or float to the top.

partyguinness · 25-09-2019 3:50pm

Dr Bill V1.5 wrote: »

Haha, you seem to have attempted to jump on the wagon here and missed the step. It's obvious from your basic knowledge posts that you know very little on the subject of vaping, it's intended use by the 200k or so vapers in Ireland and the majority of members in this forum, I see from your following post that your 'outa here' so I won't bother trying to educate you, pity really, or maybe you're like the good doctor we discussed earlier, make assumptions, drop a few badly re searched statements and..... disappear.

Mate, seriously when you are a smoker or vaper you lose the high moral ground on education. Maybe you should 'educate' the vastly experienced medical surgeon and ask him to stop saying nasty things about the joys of vaping. We can't have ignoramuses like that in our hospitals.

The reason I was disappearing is to avoid the inevitable troll accusation and possible yellow card.

25-09-2019 3:53pm

partyguinness wrote: »

Mate, seriously when you are a smoker or vaper you lose the high moral ground on education. Maybe you should 'educate' the vastly experienced medical surgeon and ask him to stop saying nasty things about the joys of vaping. We can't have ignoramuses like that in our hospitals.

The reason I was disappearing is to avoid the inevitable troll accusation and possible yellow card.

Mate when you say you're outta here and then come back to have the last word, you lose all credibility.

Dr Bill V1.5 · 25-09-2019 4:02pm

partyguinness wrote: »

Mate, seriously when you are a smoker or vaper you lose the high moral ground on education. Maybe you should 'educate' the vastly experienced medical surgeon and ask him to stop saying nasty things about the joys of vaping. We can't have ignoramuses like that in our hospitals.

The reason I was disappearing is to avoid the inevitable troll accusation and possible yellow card.

'Mate'.... don't flatter yourself. If you're reason for leaving is fear of troll accusations then let me suggest that while you're away use some of that time to educate yourself on vaping and when/if you return then we can have a reasonably informed debate on the subject and your fear of troll accusations will be alleviated.

corkie · 25-09-2019 8:20pm

UK Media accurately reporting.

corkie · 25-09-2019 10:38pm

FDA enlists DEA in vaping probe, will prosecute sales of illicit e-cigarettes as a crime

At least they have started!? To look at the real problem, but should have been done allot sooner.

Watching some of the house hearings today. Got the conclusion that the FDA (Federal Death Agency) has no power to do anything about illicit/BM products. So just targeting what they do have power over (tobacco & vaping).

Ex-FDA chief Gottlieb blames outbreak of deadly vaping illness on illegal nicotine products

“It’s not clear that these acute lung injuries are being caused by the legally sold regulated products, which FDA does oversee the manufacture of,” Gottlieb said on Wednesday on “Squawk Box.” “It appears that many of these acute lung injuries are being driven by illegal products that have oils in them.”

Florida reports first vaping-related death
^^^ Death only reported today (or news breaking today)

The chart lists 27 reported cases of lung injury tied to vaping in Florida in 2019, and one death. It’s not clear when that death occurred, though the chart was last updated Tuesday.
....
The group responded with a statement first issued September 11. It says in part, "...the vast majority of the victims of these illnesses admitted to using illicit THC cartridges. Further, the investigation had been narrowed down to a specific brand on the black market..."

bladespin · 27-09-2019 10:39am

partyguinness wrote: »

Maybe you should 'educate' the vastly experienced medical surgeon and ask him to stop saying nasty things about the joys of vaping. We can't have ignoramuses like that in our hospitals.

That's a very good suggestion though, in such a position of responsibility, he shouldn't be making unfounded remarks like that: either way, it would be just as bad if he had come out and said vaping was perfectly safe, he has no proof of anything, he really should just give his opinion, and be sure to clarify that it's a personal opinion, not a medical recommendation.

corkie · 27-09-2019 8:51pm

[cdc] THC Products May Play a Role in Outbreak of Lung Injury Associated with E-cigarette Use, or Vaping
Investigation ongoing, no single product linked to all cases, but patterns emerge
^^^ Published today Sept 27th

The latest findings from the investigation into lung injuries associated with e-cigarette use, or vaping, suggest THC products play a role in the outbreak. Most of the people (77%) in this outbreak reported using THC-containing products, or both THC-containing products and nicotine-containing products, according to a report published today in the CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR).

Esel · 27-09-2019 9:29pm

corkie wrote: »

[cdc] THC Products May Play a Role in Outbreak of Lung Injury Associated with E-cigarette Use, or Vaping
Investigation ongoing, no single product linked to all cases, but patterns emerge
^^^ Published today Sept 27th

From that page:

"In addition, the report from Illinois and Wisconsin showed that nearly all THC-containing products reported were packaged, prefilled cartridges that were primarily acquired from informal sources such as friends, family members, illicit dealers, or off the street."

It appears that Vitamin E Acetate is implicated, as it is a common ingredient in these THC mixes.

So, probably not the THC itself.

TinCool · 28-09-2019 8:27pm

Oh dear
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ir...on-flavoured-vapes-953614.html

and with this going on at the same time

https://www.independent.ie/irish-ne...ng-into-unchartered-territories-38522454.html

Negative vaping publicity

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