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Negative vaping publicity

Guffy

I'm surprised there has been no discussion here about all of the recent negative reports on vaping. Reports coming out if the US with a lot of severe illnesses/death directly attributed to vaping.

Myself, i haven't seen anything concrete tbh. Seems like scare mongering to me but just from a cursory glance.

Has anyone else looked into this in more depth

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[Deleted User]

Someone on from the Asthma Society of ireland calling for a ban on vaping products to save the children and save the asthmatics. Every day the world becomes more Nanny statesque.

My primary worry is that my safe, regulated vape juice will be pushed underground and instead of making it safe, it will then become detrimental to my health.

rob316

The market is as good as gone in the US anyway, Massachusetts just put a 4 month ban on every vaping product.
Bar one decent article I read in the Washington Post none of the media are reading between the lines here, this is an American problem. The symptom of a totally unregulated market.

corkie

Some favorable publishing!

[ASH][PDF] Use of e-cigarettes (vaporisers) among adults in Great Britain

Picked up by SkyNews: -

Vaping in the UK continues to grow as fears about safety increase
More than half the people using e-cigarettes are ex-smokers who have used vaping to help quit.

Captcha

Having learned nothing more than a century after the start of Prohibition and after decades of the war on drug's utter and complete failure, the federal government has decided to turn legal vaping into enemy No. 1.

So what if the Sackler family walks free while 130 Americans die of opioid overdoses per day? The nanny state has an axe to grind with your vapes.

The Trump administration's push to all but ban vaping from the legal market isn't quite a war on e-cigarettes. That would imply that it's the nicotine pods that are causing a curious strain of lung problems in vapers when, in all likelihood, it's illegal THC-laced pods from the black market that are responsible. Naturally, both parties have joined forces to push the legal vape pods to the black market and make it just as easy as before to buy the illegal ones that might just kill you.

Your resistance, legally speaking, is futile. Despite Juul's best efforts to fit in with Washington sycophants and bend the knee to our regulatory overlords, the Food and Drug Administration, the White House, and now the bloviating big government on both sides of the political aisle aren't budging in their misdirected ire. However, your market power is not.

It's time to vote with your dollars and prepare for the worst. Go to your local 7-Eleven, or even better yet, your neighborhood mom and pop vape shop and stock up on Juul pods.

Today, protesters are expected to shut down the streets of D.C. to stick it to climate change. It won't really accomplish anything aside from enraging those of us with jobs to get to and perhaps exacerbate greenhouse gas emissions by bringing traffic to a standstill, but I have to appreciate the passion. As the great Dylan Thomas once instructed, rage against the dying of the light. Or the certainty of death caused by climate change. Or the certainty of Beltway authoritarians banning your Juul pods.

So go ahead and pick up some Juul pods, and maybe a case of White Claw while you're at it, and say goodbye to summer and yet another receding free market as you take a hit of a product that almost certainly won't kill one half of its lifelong users.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/go-stock-up-on-juul-pods

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corkie wrote: »

Tom from NNA Ireland was on Newstalk lunchtime, second speaker.

[newstalk] Should vaping be banned in public places?

At present the states are legalizing marijuana and attempting to ban flavored eliquid or in some, devices as well like India.

Disclaimer: - I'm middle age man, who enjoys vaping flavors (i.e. 'NY Cheesecake' & 'Bubblegum Blast'). I'm not affiliated with any store or review site.

Firstly marijuana is not a term that should be used to name cannabis. Secondly, cannabis is safe for adults, maybe even good for you in general.

The cannabis cartridges bought on the street created by criminals due to prohibition still being a thing is many states and the history of black markets means that criminals make THC type carts with dangerous mixtures such as vitamin E acetate or other unknown substances. It is naieve and just as dangerous to take a negative stance on cannabis as it is to vaping, probably worse, given how cannabis is saving so many lives. Look at Ava Twomney in Cork and her very brave mother.

corkie

Dr Bill V1.5 wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/groups/450591418445468/

For anyone on Facebook, here's a group that you might be interested in joining.

Tom from NNA Ireland was on Newstalk lunchtime, second speaker.

[newstalk] Should vaping be banned in public places?

At present the states are legalizing marijuana and attempting to ban flavored eliquid or in some, devices as well like India.

Disclaimer: - I'm middle age man, who enjoys vaping flavors (i.e. 'NY Cheesecake' & 'Bubblegum Blast'). I'm not affiliated with any store or review site.

[Deleted User]

Dr. Sultan Sherif wrote:

Upon obtaining his medical degree from the Ain Shams University in 1987, he was first specialized in general and vascular surgery. Following completion of a master degree in surgery in 1991, he then worked solely in vascular surgery.

Dr. Sultan Sherif wrote:

.. Prof Sherif Sultan is widely regarded as the best vascular surgeon in Ireland boasting 30 years vascular experience

Boasting is right. He obtained his masters of Surgery in 1991 and has worked in Vascular surgery ever since. 2019 minus 1991 is 28 years experience. Not 30.

bladespin

Captcha wrote: »

How is such information and hyperbole enabled?

The people making these claims to ban vaping etc need to be held to account when things get verified. At least on social media and the internet, the hyperbole propagators in positions with merit need to be called out...

As usual it's down to saying something without actually stating any facts, US vaping related deaths (where there's absolutely 0 regulation for liquids etc) are their whipping sticks - though funnily none here or in the UK?, apparently 6 people have died from vaping related illnesses so far (no proof that vaping actually killed any though), leaving out the fact that about 40k have dies so far from smoking related illnesses (links proven).

Also, Mr. UL seems to be a particularly ignorant type considering I have never witnessed any advertising for vaping aimed at children and the young??? I've been vaping years, what have I missed lol.

Captcha

bladespin wrote: »

Definitely a concerted media effort to vilify vaping at the moment, hatchet stories all round, just asking for some minister to step in and save the children now.

This manipulation would make you sicker than smoking ever could.

How is such information and hyperbole enabled?

The people making these claims to ban vaping etc need to be held to account when things get verified. At least on social media and the internet, the hyperbole propagators in positions with merit need to be called out...

conjon

youcancallmeal wrote: »

I'm finding it hard to understand why a surgeon would make claims like this with no real evidence to back it up. Surely if he had some inside track he could publish a medical paper and get world wide acclaim

My thoughts when I saw this yesterday was where's his funding coming from. A complete hatchet job

bladespin

Definitely a concerted media effort to vilify vaping at the moment, hatchet stories all round, just asking for some minister to step in and save the children now.

This manipulation would make you sicker than smoking ever could.

[Deleted User]

Guffy wrote: »

Was mentioned today in ecig store that there was a new tax coming in?

They the free shot of nicotine will no longer be free if you take the 50/50 due to tax but 70/30 is fine.

Any ideas if this is linked to the negative publicity as of late or been coming for a while?

Sounds like speculation to me.

Put it like this, Minimum Unit Pricing was in Fine Gaels manifesto and it hasn't come in yet. The negative vaping publicity only started a couple of weeks ago.

youcancallmeal

corkie wrote: »

[irishmirror] Leading heart consultant calls for ban on vaping 'which is more dangerous that smoking and alcohol combined'

I'm finding it hard to understand why a surgeon would make claims like this with no real evidence to back it up. Surely if he had some inside track he could publish a medical paper and get world wide acclaim

Guffy

Was mentioned today in ecig store that there was a new tax coming in?

They the free shot of nicotine will no longer be free if you take the 50/50 due to tax but 70/30 is fine.

Any ideas if this is linked to the negative publicity as of late or been coming for a while?

corkie

Incorrect reporting on vaping has also spread to here: -

[independent] UL calls for vaping to be banned at all Irish campuses: 'We are facing into unchartered territories'

And the irishexaminer

corkie

Vaping with Vic and/or the BBC got the size/amount of Indian vapers wrong!

Watts UP?! - Ep 222 - 60K Sub Boxaway, TPD2 Rumours and more advocacy stuff

^^^ What else is he speculating on that could be wrong.

TPD2 Rumors? Increase in the tanks and bottle limitations? Closing the Short-fill loophole?

Haven't found anything on this googling, is TPD2 already published?

As for a professor with own webpage and the source of the article had me questioning it as well. Was he taken out of context and quoted wrong or something. Who in there right mind would agree to be published like that?

[Deleted User]

corkie wrote: »

[irishmirror] Leading heart consultant calls for ban on vaping 'which is more dangerous that smoking and alcohol combined'

Poor grammar on his homepage and also it seems the good Professor can't count.

And since when did professors of surgery have their own website?

corkie

Dr Bill V1.5 wrote: »

I'll still take these guys at their word and the good old US can go take a jump.

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2019/02/27/e-cigarette-evidence-update-patterns-and-use-in-adults-and-young-people/

Calibos wrote: »

Vaping hit piece on the front page of the Sunday Mirror today, calling for a ban on ecigs and claiming that vaping is worse than smoking and drinking combined and it'd be healthier to smoke. Un-fcuking-believable!!

[irishmirror] Leading heart consultant calls for ban on vaping 'which is more dangerous that smoking and alcohol combined'

President of the International Society For Vascular Surgery, Prof Sherif Sultan, described e-cigarettes as “the disaster of the century”.

Calibos

Vaping hit piece on the front page of the Sunday Mirror today, calling for a ban on ecigs and claiming that vaping is worse than smoking and drinking combined and it'd be healthier to smoke. Un-fcuking-believable!!

Its bad enough listening to gobsh1tes still smoking the last few years lecturing you that 'they heard that vaping is just as bad as cigarettes', but this new wave of ill-informed scaremongering clickbait BS on social media and print is going to turn that random gobsh1te into an 'expert'.

SMH.

Look, i'm off the smokes long enough now (6+ years) thanks to vaping to know that no matter what happens I'll never go back to smoking, but if this current wave of anti vaping BS succeeds in getting the things banned, then the ringleaders need to be hung drawn and quartered due to the deaths its going to cause.

corkie

[MSA] [BBC] Why is the Fed pumping money into the banking system? <<< 19 September 2019!

[Vaping With Vic]
Watts UP Special - The Current US Vape Ban Problem...and possibly its reason...

Follow the $$$$$!

## I'm not affiliated with any store or review site! ##

nuttyboy79

This cropped up on a FB group and shows why it's all blowing up imo. As well this apparently is the first year these payments were capped. Coincidence maybe, bullcrap maybe but it all seems too ring true to me.

If this is to be believed who do you trust when you hear about the NHS in the U.K. opening e-cigarette shops in hospitals and then you hear all the scare stories coming from the U.S. the country who as laid out in the video are in the pockets of big tobacco companies or the country whose public health system has no money connections to big tobacco. As it was said in All the President's men "follow the money"

mewso

BDI wrote: »

They could just tax vaping like they tax cigarettes there is no conspiracy.
Asbestos, silica dust, tobacco/nicotine, and now vape.
Your lungs are very delicate and certIn sized toxic particles can get in to certain parts of the lungs and never come back out some day causing health issues.
A chap was telling me they have dudes on YouTube now doing vape competitions blowing smoke rings and stuff to advertise this stupid addiction to children and resurrect the circle of nicotine addiction to another generation.
Read Alan Carr’s easy way to stop smoking and you won’t think you need any of this stuff.

I have a strong feeling a lot of the people who post in here are selling the accessories.

Mod Hat On: This forum is for people who enjoy and advocate vaping as an alternative to smoking. It is not for people to come in and tell people they know better. Any more posts like this and you can have a break from the forum. If you don't like vaping that is fine but you don't get to tell people in here they are wrong to make this choice. Most here will agree it's wrong to be pushing vaping to children but most here are adults making a personal choice. Also cease the insinuations about what posters may or may not be selling. Thank you.

J Mysterio

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1175105322161246210

Dr Bill V1.5

BDI wrote: »

They could just tax vaping like they tax cigarettes there is no conspiracy.
Asbestos, silica dust, tobacco/nicotine, and now vape.
Your lungs are very delicate and certIn sized toxic particles can get in to certain parts of the lungs and never come back out some day causing health issues.
A chap was telling me they have dudes on YouTube now doing vape competitions blowing smoke rings and stuff to advertise this stupid addiction to children and resurrect the circle of nicotine addiction to another generation.
Read Alan Carr’s easy way to stop smoking and you won’t think you need any of this stuff.

I have a strong feeling a lot of the people who post in here are selling the accessories.

Would you be so good as to define 'accessories' for me please.

Calltocall

corkie wrote: »

A Historical Timeline of Electronic Cigarettes

I’ve read it now, so my hunch was correct, a bad batch of juice has caused this, it makes sense, however the reaction has all ready and will continue to be completely over the top, let’s ban em all rather than considering the fact that vaping has saved many many lives from death by smoking cigarettes over the years yet soon the vapes could be banned yet you can walk into your local shop and buy twenty blue no problem which are guaranteed to cause health problems and eventually kill you, you couldn’t make it up it’s a mad world.

Spanish Eyes

Bootleg batch of vape liquid that was somehow contaminated with dodge CBD oil is my guess.

But that won't stop the evangelists. Vapers, brace yourselves for more of this anti vaping propoganda.

Cannabis and guns are legal in the US (well cannabis in many States now), but vaping is the evil one now.

corkie

BDI wrote: »

I wonder did people start vaping in the us before U.K.

A Historical Timeline of Electronic Cigarettes

April 2006: Electronic cigarettes introduced to Europe.

2006-2007: Electronic cigarettes introduced to the U.S. (The first import ruling locatable in the U.S. Customs and Border Protection website database is dated August 22, 2006. NY M85579)

But Vaping has been a thing long before ecigs, search for 'when did vaping start' must popular result is sponsored by 'JUUL', so not linking it.

Vaping is a modern trend, but even new vapes have their roots in ancient history. Ancient Egypt is known for its vaping techniques, such as using hot stones to vape herbs. Thousands of years ago the first shisha was introduced to India. All those techniques led to the invention of current vapes as we know them today.

Vaping does not necessarily mean nicotine(eliquid).
As Drinking does not have to mean alcohol.

I'm Not affiliated with any store or reviewer sites.

BDI

Calltocall wrote: »

It sounds more like a bad batch of something, I’ve read that cannabis liquid has been identified in a number of the cases, but looking at it objectively these cases are being reported in the states/canada yet in the uk no reports of serious illness etc (a country with millions of vapers). It’s just not adding up to me.

I wonder did people start vaping in the us before U.K.

corkie

Calltocall wrote: »

My question on this is........why now? Millions vaping for years and then all of a sudden a couple of months ago we have deaths and serious illnesses reported around the exact same time in The states, just defies logic that of all the millions that vaped over the years we wouldn’t have had a string of deaths but suddenly out of the blue a tiny number get sick at the same time and now vaping can kill. What’s really going on here?

Have you read any of the thread. A contaminate (Vitamin E Acetate) supply of Black Market THC carts hit the market in the states. And possibly black-market JUUL pods as well.

BDI wrote: »

Seriously?
It takes a few years to manifest?
Next year will have more,

With the ban on flavorings etc, will lead to a bigger black-market for it, creating increase in Health Problems.

I'm Not affiliated with any store or reviewer sites.

Calltocall

Calltocall wrote: »

So of all the millions that have vaped over the years suddenly a tiny number with symptoms manifest at pretty much exactly the same time and become headline news, defies logic, there should be a pattern of illnesses over many years, this is just out of the blue and dubious to say the least. Btw I don’t sell vape products.

It sounds more like a bad batch of something, I’ve read that cannabis liquid has been identified in a number of the cases, but looking at it objectively these cases are being reported in the states/canada yet in the uk no reports of serious illness etc (a country with millions of vapers). It’s just not adding up to me.