Formula 1 2020 - General Discussion Thread (See MOD warning on first post)

SureYWouldntYa · 08-07-2020 3:55pm

pjohnson wrote: »

The left field "shock" part thats currently rumbling along would be the removal of Kvyat from the grid to allow for Vettel to move to RB to partner Max while Albon moves back to AlphaTauri with Gasly.

The rest sort of makes sense since they're all contracted for 2021

But damn you'd have to feel for Albon and Kvyat if that was to happen, while I'd like to see the others happen it probably can't without Vettel leaving Ferrari which surely won't happen without him having another seat

ELM327 · 08-07-2020 3:58pm

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

The rest sort of makes sense since they're all contracted for 2021

But damn you'd have to feel for Albon and Kvyat if that was to happen, while I'd like to see the others happen it probably can't without Vettel leaving Ferrari which surely won't happen without him having another seat

Albon and kyvat have both shown that they are not top drivers, having been lapped by Max on pace in the same car.
I won't feel sorry for either.

billybonkers · 08-07-2020 4:04pm

pjohnson wrote: »

The journalist that broke the Vettel leaving Ferrari news says Alonso will be confirmed this afternoon. Also hinting that there is an even bigger "silly season" shock to be announced tomorrow.

Vettel to leave Ferrari

SureYWouldntYa · 08-07-2020 4:05pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Albon and kyvat have both shown that they are not top drivers, having been lapped by Max on pace in the same car.
I won't feel sorry for either.

Kvyat maybe since he had his full season in a RB, but Albon got drafted into a new car with what 3 weeks notice and outperformed Gasly who at least go a pre season to adjust to the car

He hasn't had a proper shot to try to match Max, it would be ruthless in the pursuit of someone who's probably the better driver right now in Vettel but seriously hard on Albon

El_Duderino 09 · 08-07-2020 4:06pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Albon and kyvat have both shown that they are not top drivers, having been lapped by Max on pace in the same car.
I won't feel sorry for either.

Albon hasn't showed he's not a top driver. Any sensible person has to reserve judgement on albon for a while becayse he's showed great potential since joining the RB first team. He was on for 2 podiums in the Last 3 races.

In any case, has hasn't ruled himself out of being a top driver. More information needed to find out how good he is.

ELM327 · 08-07-2020 4:12pm

So let's look at it another way. Who is most likely to score the most points this year and next year in the second RB car. Albon, Gasly, Kyvat or Seb?

I think its pretty certain that it is Seb?

pjohnson · 08-07-2020 4:12pm

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

The rest sort of makes sense since they're all contracted for 2021

But damn you'd have to feel for Albon and Kvyat if that was to happen, while I'd like to see the others happen it probably can't without Vettel leaving Ferrari which surely won't happen without him having another seat

Yeah I think people are over-egging the "shock" part by trying to tie Red Bull into it.

I think it will just be the 2021 deals brought forward to next week instead of seasons end. Maaaaybe the "shock" might be that Vettel actually quits Ferrari tomorrow and wont race this weekend but I doubt it.

vectra · 08-07-2020 4:23pm

Joeface wrote: »

Stroll gets alot of hate , might not like the money behind him but you have to earn super license I thought .
Also personaly think he is not too bad as drivers go. I believe He is one of the best starters in F1 with most places gains last year

I know starting down the grid give more chance for passing but he was doing it more than those around him .

https://f1bythenumbers.com/2019-f1-season-king-of-overtakes-part-1/

You see, right there is the problem, NOT TOO BAD is not good enough.

SureYWouldntYa · 08-07-2020 4:25pm

ELM327 wrote: »

So let's look at it another way. Who is most likely to score the most points this year and next year in the second RB car. Albon, Gasly, Kyvat or Seb?

I think its pretty certain that it is Seb?

Considering he'd be jumping into a new car and his recent form, it's debatable. I wouldn't like to call it

pjohnson wrote: »

Yeah I think people are over-egging the "shock" part by trying to tie Red Bull into it.

I think it will just be the 2021 deals brought forward to next week instead of seasons end. Maaaaybe the "shock" might be that Vettel actually quits Ferrari tomorrow and wont race this weekend but I doubt it.

Seb would probably still get his 2020 money which I'm assuming is a fair wack, and he'd be the first name ready for the next top seat available if he was to leave F1 fully

Frank Bullitt · 08-07-2020 4:33pm

vectra wrote: »

And you know this because??

His father just bought the team he is racing in. That's pretty solid job security unless he makes a right balls of it this year.

I think Vettel will take time off from F1, this years Ferrari looks like a dog (might be the worst one he has driven in recent years).

Delighted Alonso is back, not just for his skills but seeing how it annoys so many people as well

El_Duderino 09 · 08-07-2020 4:42pm

ELM327 wrote: »

So let's look at it another way. Who is most likely to score the most points this year and next year in the second RB car. Albon, Gasly, Kyvat or Seb?

I think its pretty certain that it is Seb?

He might be. He's also the most likely to crash most often and likely to cost multiples of the others combined wage. He's dreadful value for money.

I doubt they'll be inter in him unless he's willing do it for a token fee so he keeps on the grid and can get a drive elsewhere.

Harika · 08-07-2020 5:52pm

Albon could have won the race on Sunday, hard to see him being rotated out. If he would be trailing Max on an ongoing basis yes, but while he plays number 2 is not upset about getting upgrades a race after max, all good.

GarIT · 08-07-2020 6:53pm

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

The rest sort of makes sense since they're all contracted for 2021

But damn you'd have to feel for Albon and Kvyat if that was to happen, while I'd like to see the others happen it probably can't without Vettel leaving Ferrari which surely won't happen without him having another seat

Rumours going around Reddit that Ferrari want Vettel out ASAP due to all the negative press with the ballerina act he has been pulling and the SBinalla memes

Cork Trucker · 08-07-2020 6:56pm

GarIT wrote: »

Rumours going around Reddit that Ferrari want Vettel out ASAP due to all the negative press with the ballerina act he has been pulling and the SBinalla memes

Sainz to Ferrari this year then? Ricciardo to McLaren and Alonso back to Renault in 2020?

GarIT · 08-07-2020 6:59pm

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Sainz to Ferrari this year then? Ricciardo to McLaren and Alonso back to Renault in 2020?

I don't know how the rest of the chain works out. Lots of unfounded rumors going around, one of Hulk into Renualt for the rest of the season.

It somewhat depends on Sainz. Ricciardo is happy to go to McLaren tomorrow. Sainz might not be in a rush to hop into a worse car.

There was one source, I cant remember which, saying that Vettel had at least talked to Helmut Marko about taking the 2nd Red Bull seat. Albon has been beating the teams that can't compete at the front, and did a bit better than Gasly but hasn't been challenging the front teams when they don't have issues. Red Bull are quoted saying they want someone who can overtake and fight at the front.

It's all rumours and **** stirring at this point, we'll just have to see what happens.

pjohnson · 08-07-2020 7:27pm

Yep. Sainz is the key sticking point.

Both Ricciardo and Vettel have annoyed their current teams higher ups with comments made since their departures were announced and all 4 of those sides involved would be happy to make a break and fresh start ASAP. McLaren and Sainz arent really in a rush to make the change earlier however.

GarIT · 08-07-2020 7:46pm

I got some actual quotes. Ferrari CEO says the F1 team "must act immediately" to rectify their performance.

Ralf Schumacher has called on Vettel to apologise to Ferrari "becasue this is not how it should be" in reference to Vettel's 5+ spins in the last 20 races.

A redditor claims that now brings Vettel up to more accidents per race since his accident in Hockenheim than Grosjean and Maldonado had when we were taking the piss out of them.

Webber says "It is clear the relationship was not healthy" between Vettel and Ferrari. And he recons his career isn't over "He has a chance to do something in 2022, who knows, maybe Red Bull for 2021."

Jordan 199 · 08-07-2020 8:15pm

Ralf Schumacher. Blast from the past.

Jordan 199 · 08-07-2020 8:20pm

If Vettel has his last race at Ferrari this weekend, I want an explosive exit. He takes Charlie L out of the race and proceeds to calls Binotto a wanker and tells him to go **** himself.

Rodney Bathgate · 08-07-2020 8:22pm

Or he wins by a mile then they sack him on Monday.

duploelabs · 08-07-2020 8:31pm

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Or he wins by a mile then they sack him on Monday.

Peak ferrari

muckwarrior · 08-07-2020 9:21pm

Don't see why Red Bull would want Vettel back. They already have one of, if not the fastest driver on the grid. What they need is a solid number 2 that can finish within a place or 2 of him and not cause any arguments, and Albon is shaping up to fit that role pretty well.

GarIT · 08-07-2020 9:40pm

muckwarrior wrote: »

Don't see why Red Bull would want Vettel back. They already have one of, if not the fastest driver on the grid. What they need is a solid number 2 that can finish within a place or 2 of him and not cause any arguments, and Albon is shaping up to fit that role pretty well.

They don't have ther car to win the constructors without two top tier drivers

Burkie1203 · 08-07-2020 9:49pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

If Vettel has his last race at Ferrari this weekend, I want an explosive exit. He takes Charlie L out of the race and proceeds to calls Binotto a wanker and tells him to go **** himself.

If Vettel want a to go out with a bang, at least take the Mercs out first, then LeClerc before binning it from P1 on the last lap

weekaizer · 09-07-2020 1:33am

BikeRacer wrote: »

It's always difficult to compare 2 drivers when they drive different machinery, but Alonso and Hamilton did have the same car, so it's easy to compare.
Hamilton beat him. In his rookie year, he beat a then 2 time world champion. Alonso wasn't the best driver in his team, let alone the grid.

They both finished on the same points with each having 4 victories to their name.
The only teammate who has ever out scored Alonso on points was button in 2015 and only by 5 points. Not bad for a driver who competed in 17 full seasons.
I’m happy to see him back in f1, excellent driver looking forward to hopefully seeing an improved Renault package in ‘22.

pjohnson · 09-07-2020 7:43am

Aaand Nimmervoll is currently getting rightfully shredded. It appears his "shock news" was his own theory about Vettel possibly joining Red Bull....

Joeface · 09-07-2020 12:35pm

Nice

"Formula 1 is expected to announce the next batch of 2020 race dates in the coming days with Mugello set to be the first new event on the updated schedule."

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/150436/mugello-to-be-confirmed-in-next-f1-calendar-update

Cork Trucker · 09-07-2020 12:55pm

Mugello? Yes please. Hopefully it can get a more permanent place on the calendar instead of the likes of Paul Ricard.

Corben Dallas · 09-07-2020 1:38pm

Mugello is a monster track, its almost old school in its layout. Seeing modern F1 cars in the double right turns at the far end of Mugello would be amazing... if even only the once.

Jordan 199 · 09-07-2020 1:44pm

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Hopefully it can get a more permanent place on the calendar instead of the likes of Paul Ricard.

Paul Ricard circuit, made of tarmac and huge tube of aquafresh toothpaste.

Inquitus · 09-07-2020 2:07pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Paul Ricard circuit, made of tarmac and huge tube of aquafresh toothpaste.

Aye it looks hideous on the TV!

El_Duderino 09 · 09-07-2020 2:09pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Aye it looks hideous on the TV!

The feedback must be almost unanimous on that. Amazing that they don't do anything about it

namloc1980 · 09-07-2020 2:11pm

Portimao, Portugal set to be confirmed also. Nice to see some new tracks for this season anyway.

BikeRacer · 09-07-2020 3:10pm

Christian Nimmervoll, the guy who claimed there would be some 'sensational news' today has back tracked...

AMKC · 09-07-2020 4:49pm

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Or he wins by a mile then they sack him on Monday.

He may need a miracle for Ferrari for that to happen.

SureYWouldntYa · 09-07-2020 5:07pm

AMKC wrote: »

He may need a miracle for Ferrari for that to happen.

All it would have taken this past Sunday is Bottas hitting a curb wrong in the last couple laps to hand Leclerc the win

BikeRacer · 09-07-2020 5:08pm

Vettel openly saying if there was a drive offered by Red Bull, he'd take it.

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1281248284359655426

quokula · 09-07-2020 5:09pm

What's the situation with the number of power unit components and gearboxes for the season given that they don't even know how many races there will be? How do the teams now how long each part needs to last?

09-07-2020 5:10pm

Portimao should be good. If not the F2 race will be

Mugello is an awful track for F1, even moreso with the current massive cars.

SureYWouldntYa · 09-07-2020 5:27pm

BikeRacer wrote: »

Vettel openly saying if there was a drive offered by Red Bull, he'd take it.

I'm trying to imagine a meeting between Horner, Abiteboul, Zak Brown and Binotto

And them all asking Horner to take back Vettel so the deals can all commence, and the sh1t eating grin he would have

quokula · 09-07-2020 5:38pm

If anyone watched the Netflix F1 documentary series (and you should), there was one scene where they asked Horner who was his favourite driver that he worked with, and obviously he was diplomatic and said something vague about the current ones, but his young daughter immediately chimed in in the background and said Vettel which was clearly the real answer.

Hardly surprising either, without Seb in the car previously, Red Bull would be a team with zero titles to their name. The car Vettel won his titles in was never good enough to claim second in the championship with another driver in the car.

Unlike Merc, and the current Ferrari management, I get the impression Red Bull are a team that are not afraid to have two top drivers. They've never really had team orders and their whole brand is around selling excitement and heroic drivers, rather than showing off their reliable and fuel efficient cars like the manufacturers. So it would make sense.

It would be a shame for Albon who's doing a decent job, but he hasn't been particularly close to Verstappen in reality and he's still young and has time to improve. It would be a crime for a driver like Vettel to not be in a top team while Albon and a third rate driver like Bottas are taking up top seats.

SureYWouldntYa · 09-07-2020 5:45pm

quokula wrote: »

They've never really had team orders

Multi 21 aside

I agree Vettel not having a seat is a pity, but he has himself to blame with his performances last couple years for that as much as circumstances

Bottas is the best driver for the 2nd Mercedes seat, but probably not the 2nd best driver out there

Things weren't always smooth between Ricciardo and Max, and considering how things looked in 2019 I'm not sure Vettel and Max would end up any different than Vettel and Leclerc, Red Bull might well want to steer clear

BikeRacer · 09-07-2020 6:08pm

Apparently Racing Point had approached Alonso to come drive for them, so if they're that serious about getting someone of that calibre (And either buying Perez out of contract or booting your own son out the door) I'd imagine Vettel has a seat there if he wants it.
I also can't shake the feeling Toto will want to personally see his £8m Aston Martin investment put to good use.

Inquitus · 09-07-2020 6:09pm

So Ferrari upgrades, how much quicker do they make the car in a) Qualifying and b) Race. I am going to say 0.1s - 0.2s maximum.

quokula · 09-07-2020 6:33pm

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

Multi 21 aside

I agree Vettel not having a seat is a pity, but he has himself to blame with his performances last couple years for that as much as circumstances

Bottas is the best driver for the 2nd Mercedes seat, but probably not the 2nd best driver out there

Things weren't always smooth between Ricciardo and Max, and considering how things looked in 2019 I'm not sure Vettel and Max would end up any different than Vettel and Leclerc, Red Bull might well want to steer clear

Multi 21 kind of proves that they didn't have a team order philosophy given that it was them asking their top driver not to attack and overtake their second driver in order to preserve reliability. Mercedes or the current Ferrari management would have asked them to swap.

g1983d · 09-07-2020 7:45pm

Sort some old boxes from the attic and I came across an old Jordan magazine, interesting page at the back showing grid position and finish or each of their drivers for 1st 12 years

duploelabs · 09-07-2020 9:21pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Portimao should be good. If not the F2 race will be Mugello is an awful track for F1, even moreso with the current massive cars.

Portimao has lots of elevation changes, more than Red Bull Ring, should test the suspensions

PukkaStukka · 09-07-2020 9:35pm

Interesting :- my information suggests these are on the same Astra satellite (19.2E) that currently carries RTL which is ceasing its FTA coverage at the end of this year. If so, Free To Air coverage continues, albeit in German!!

https://www.f1technical.net/news/225941

Inquitus · 09-07-2020 9:37pm

PukkaStukka wrote: »

Interesting :- my information suggests these are on the same Astra satellite (19.2E) that currently carries RTL which is ceasing its FTA coverage at the end of this year. If so, Free To Air coverage continues, albeit in German.

https://www.f1technical.net/news/225941

Austria is showing it on Free to air for 2021, not sure if you can pick up these chans from Satellite?

https://www.racefans.net/2020/07/07/red-bull-owned-tv-channel-to-broadcast-f1-in-austria/#:~:text=Red%20Bull%2Downed%20television%20channel,free%2Dto%2Dair%20television.&text=Servus%20TV%20and%20ORF%20have,year%20deal%20beginning%20next%20year.

recyclebin · 09-07-2020 9:46pm

PukkaStukka wrote: »

Interesting :- my information suggests these are on the same Astra satellite (19.2E) that currently carries RTL which is ceasing its FTA coverage at the end of this year. If so, Free To Air coverage continues, albeit in German!!

https://www.f1technical.net/news/225941

I watched the grand prix on RTL at the weekend. I think I counted 7 or 8 ad breaks. 4 of them were before any ad breaks. It was the most frustrating viewing ever!!! Worse than anything on ITV ever had.

Formula 1 2020 - General Discussion Thread (See MOD warning on first post)

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