Dublin routes news and general chat

Jamie2k9 · 26-02-2018 12:24pm

– 7 new routes: Athens (2 wkly), Bari (2 wkly), Frankfurt (2 daily), Luxembourg (3 wkly), Marrakesh (2 wkly), Paphos (1 wkly) & Santander (2 wkly)

– More flights on 11 other routes: Barcelona (3 daily), Birmingham (6 daily), Budapest (2 daily), Cologne (2 daily), Faro (2 daily), Krakow (2 daily), Lanzarote (8 wkly), Madrid (3 daily), Malaga (9 wkly), Manchester (6 daily) & Venice (3 wkly)

FRA is 12 weekly rather than 2 daily.

https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/ryanair-launches-biggest-ever-irish-winter-2018-schedule/?market=ie

Idbatterim · 26-02-2018 1:47pm

What do you guys reckon growth rates will be this year? I reckon 7% ish

Noxegon · 26-02-2018 1:57pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

FRA is 12 weekly rather than 2 daily.

https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/ryanair-launches-biggest-ever-irish-winter-2018-schedule/?market=ie

They’re claiming Dublin to Marrakech is a new route, which is blatantly untrue. I used it this time last year.

IngazZagni · 26-02-2018 2:46pm

Noxegon wrote: »

They’re claiming Dublin to Marrakech is a new route, which is blatantly untrue. I used it this time last year.

Ryanair always spin their PR. Marrakech didn't operate this winter so it's a "new winter route". Same goes for Paphos, Bari and Santander which are summer routes going year round.

Good news anyway. Growth is always welcomed especially in the winter months.

notuslimited · 27-02-2018 7:17am

I fly DUB-FRA every week and the flight times are perfect. Because I’m in and out all the time I book well in advance and I’m currently booked to 1 October. On average I pay EI about €80 return during the winter schedule and €142 during the summer schedule. The prices FR put onto their system are more expensive than this for the winter so I’ll wait to see how the fares pan out during a sale. As a Concierge with EI I get all the benefits with even the saver fares and to get seat assignments and priority boarding with FR will mean I will need to pay the Plus fare (making it more uncompetitive). On that basis it might mean that I will stick with EI as cash is king and I will choose the cheapest option. The good news is that FR joining the route will keep EI on their toes re pricing.

Jamie2k9 · 12-03-2018 6:35pm

Loganair will operate a new 6 weekly service to Carsile starting 4 June.

nsa0bupkd3948x · 12-03-2018 7:52pm

Do people think there is any chance of Air India to Delhi anytime soon?

JCX BXC · 12-03-2018 7:56pm

Arian Cuddly Vigil wrote: »

Do people think there is any chance of Air India to Delhi anytime soon?

Not in my opinion. I assume it will be mooted a long time before it starts.

Jamie2k9 · 12-03-2018 9:08pm

Suggestion PEK non stop will be announced on Thursday starting in June. The same poster was correct about AC at DUB/SNN.

https://www.pprune.org/10081458-post123.html

Rawr · 12-03-2018 9:26pm

Arian Cuddly Vigil wrote: »

Do people think there is any chance of Air India to Delhi anytime soon?

There were murmurings a while back of Air India using Dublin it's transatlantic hub (and thus I'm guessing opening up of passenger routes from DUB to various cities in India), but haven't heard anything since.

So, maybe a possibility in the future if Air India really do choose DUB as a hub, but probably not in the near future.

Tenger · 14-03-2018 10:15am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Suggestion PEK non stop will be announced on Thursday starting in June. The same poster was correct about AC at DUB/SNN.
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That would be quite the feather in cap for the DAA. Hong Kong and Bejing launched the same season?

EICVD · 14-03-2018 1:06pm

Arian Cuddly Vigil wrote: »

Do people think there is any chance of Air India to Delhi anytime soon?

Maybe Indigo a few years down the line if they do order those 50 A330s anytime soon

California Dreamer · 14-03-2018 8:02pm

https://www.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-airport-to-announce-china-flights-1-4705583/amp?__twitter_impression=true

LiamaDelta · 14-03-2018 8:34pm

Appreciate if you'd give some indication of what that is rather than link-dumping

Shn99 · 14-03-2018 9:13pm

LiamaDelta wrote: »

Appreciate if you'd give some indication of what that is rather than link-dumping

or perhaps you could click the link and read for yourself?

L1011 · 14-03-2018 9:20pm

Shn99 wrote: »

or perhaps you could click the link and read for yourself?

Its general forum ettiquette to sum up why the link is relevant.

dogcat · 14-03-2018 9:48pm

"A long-awaited air route to China has been secured by Edinburgh Airport, The Scotsman understands.

Hainan Airlines will fly between the capital and the Chinese capital of Beijing, it is to be announced tomorrow.

The flights will continue to and from Dublin.

However, an industry observer feared Edinburgh could lose out to Dublin if the Irish capital generated more passengers and the Scottish leg was ditched by Hainan.

Ireland does not charge air passenger duty - which will add £83 per passenger to the cost of a ticket from Edinburgh - and the Scottish Government's plans to halve the tax have been shelved."

LXFlyer · 15-03-2018 8:48am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Suggestion PEK non stop will be announced on Thursday starting in June. The same poster was correct about AC at DUB/SNN.

https://www.pprune.org/10081458-post123.html

Four flights per week by Hainan Airlines from June - 2 direct and 2 via Edinburgh per Dublin Airport Twitter below.

https://twitter.com/dublinairport/status/974189616885530624?s=21

Zonda999 · 15-03-2018 11:47am

Great news! Will it be operated by an A330-200 I wonder? 36 Business and 186 Economy seats in that case.

Jamie2k9 · 15-03-2018 12:22pm

Zonda999 wrote: »

Great news! Will it be operated by an A330-200 I wonder? 36 Business and 186 Economy seats in that case.

300

Meanwhile FR havw announced a weekly Dalaman service from June.

LXFlyer · 15-03-2018 1:16pm

Zonda999 wrote: »

Great news! Will it be operated by an A330-200 I wonder? 36 Business and 186 Economy seats in that case.

Full details of times and aircraft in the link above.

JCX BXC · 15-03-2018 1:55pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

300

Meanwhile FR havw announced a weekly Dalaman service from June.

Very interesting, first route to Turkey. Lovely region of turkey, was there in 2016. Very good prices too.

Ryanairs longest route from Dublin?

LiamaDelta · 15-03-2018 3:47pm

JCX BXC wrote: »

Very interesting, first route to Turkey. Lovely region of turkey, was there in 2016. Very good prices too.

Ryanairs longest route from Dublin?

No, Paphos is longer.

IQO · 15-03-2018 6:29pm

LiamaDelta wrote: »

No, Paphos is longer.

Nice prices now with Ryanair to Dalaman - surely it will only last a couple of days as an introductory offer. For more or less the same days/weeks in August prices are currently about 380 EUR return to Paphos, but just 120 EUR to Dalaman.

JCX BXC · 15-03-2018 6:36pm

LiamaDelta wrote: »

No, Paphos is longer.

Ah had forgotten about Cyprus.

Flights earlier were only €80 return, have increased to €129 now but still a great deal.

LiamaDelta · 15-03-2018 7:33pm

JCX BXC wrote: »

Ah had forgotten about Cyprus.

Flights earlier were only €80 return, have increased to €129 now but still a great deal.

I think Oslo to Tenerife is their longest route overall.

ozzy jr · 15-03-2018 9:20pm

With Beijing and Hong Kong about to start and the ME3 all now established in Dublin, any speculation as to what the next (non EI) long haul route might be?

Bangkok?
Tokyo?
Somewhere in India?

L1011 · 15-03-2018 9:36pm

I would think Tokyo - Bangkok is too low yield; as are the ones where you would think demographics could play a part - Manila, etc.

The Veteran · 15-03-2018 9:48pm

CPT or JNB? Fair bit of traffic every day on the traditional carriers via their hubs (FRA, DXB, CDG, LHR, ADD, AMS, AUH, etc) - not sure it would fill a flight everyday but maybe 3/4 times a week?

Traffic from ZAF can be problematic but could be made to work; ADD does at the moment (most of the time)

JCX BXC · 15-03-2018 10:09pm

LiamaDelta wrote: »

I think Oslo to Tenerife is their longest route overall.

Ryanair do have quite a portfolio of routes, am aware there would definitely be some longer than from Dublin!

Stephen Strange · 15-03-2018 10:24pm

ozzy jr wrote: »

With Beijing and Hong Kong about to start and the ME3 all now established in Dublin, any speculation as to what the next (non EI) long haul route might be?

Bangkok?
Tokyo?
Somewhere in India?

Norwegian to Canada? They've applied for a Canadian licence (although destinations are unknown).

JCX BXC · 15-03-2018 10:25pm

Stephen Strange wrote: »

Norwegian to Canada? They've applied for a Canadian licence (although destinations are unknown).

Motives unknown as usual for Norwegian

Stephen Strange · 15-03-2018 10:25pm

JCX BXC wrote: »

Motives unknown as usual for Norwegian

Very true

JCX BXC · 15-03-2018 10:29pm

I note Dublin Airport have stated on Twitter that tickets will be sold on the Dublin-Edinburgh leg of the journey to Bejjing. Not that I place much faith in what's posted on social media, would this not require 5th freedom rights?

Stephen Strange · 15-03-2018 10:34pm

JCX BXC wrote: »

I note Dublin Airport have stated on Twitter that tickets will be sold on the Dublin-Edinburgh leg of the journey to Bejjing. Not that I place much faith in what's posted on social media, would this not require 5th freedom rights?

As far as I am aware, fifth freedom rights were granted (this has been in the works for quite a while).

15-03-2018 10:36pm

The Veteran wrote: »

CPT or JNB? Fair bit of traffic every day on the traditional carriers via their hubs (FRA, DXB, CDG, LHR, ADD, AMS, AUH, etc) - not sure it would fill a flight everyday but maybe 3/4 times a week?

Traffic from ZAF can be problematic but could be made to work; ADD does at the moment (most of the time)

Won’t by South Africa unless it’s EI, SAA is broke big time

JCX BXC · 15-03-2018 10:36pm

Stephen Strange wrote: »

As far as I am aware, fifth freedom rights were granted (this has been in the works for quite a while).

Interesting to say the least. Can't imagine too many seats will be available unless they're expecting a slow takeup from Dublin. Would be an interesting short trip!

Stephen Strange · 15-03-2018 10:40pm

JCX BXC wrote: »

Interesting to say the least. Can't imagine too many seats will be available unless they're expecting a slow takeup from Dublin. Would be an interesting short trip!

I don't fully understand 5th freedom rules, but I think it may be important. The British Irish visa scheme encorages people to spend time in both countries, hence why they will have people breaking up the trip. So PEK to EDI for a few days, then onto DUB, then back to PEK from DUB or vice versa.

L1011 · 15-03-2018 10:40pm

Its what, 7x daily on peak days on EI and I think 3x on FR (Ryanair's site is incredibly slow for me tonight so having to trust skyscanner)

2x weekly really isn't going to impact there.

hynesie08 · 15-03-2018 11:20pm

JCX BXC wrote: »

Motives unknown as usual for Norwegian

Surely they would be attempting a wow airesque situation, fly to gander/Toronto then refuel and onwards to West coast Cities. There's surely a market there.

HTCOne · 15-03-2018 11:25pm

hynesie08 wrote: »

Surely they would be attempting a wow airesque situation, fly to gander/Toronto then refuel and onwards to West coast Cities. There's surely a market there.

They have more 787s being delivered than they know what to do with, there’s no need for fuel stops.

Also that would be very poor utilization of a narrow body vs using it on east coast or intra Europe. They’ll have the MAX and LRs for East Coast, the 787s for further afield and thicker routes.

hynesie08 · 15-03-2018 11:51pm

HTCOne wrote: »

They have more 787s being delivered than they know what to do with, there’s no need for fuel stops.

Also that would be very poor utilization of a narrow body vs using it on east coast or intra Europe. They’ll have the MAX and LRs for East Coast, the 787s for further afield and thicker routes.

Fair enough, I knew about the MAX'S, but was unaware they had 787s on order as well.

Doltanian · 16-03-2018 12:24am

With two Chinese flights launching there is definitely room for a Dublin to Sao Paolo or Rio flight. E.g. Dublin-Rio de Janeiro-Sao Paolo-Dublin flight, these is thousands of South Americans in Ireland now and they are badly underserved and flights via LHR,AMS and FRA are really overpriced. IAG dictating to Aer Lingus to serve the US only is really hampering this and Aer Lingus should be flying to South America now.

JCX BXC · 16-03-2018 12:27am

Doltanian wrote: »

With two Chinese flights launching there is definitely room for a Dublin to Sao Paolo or Rio flight. E.g. Dublin-Rio de Janeiro-Sao Paolo-Dublin flight, these is thousands of South Americans in Ireland now and they are badly underserved and flights via LHR,AMS and FRA are really overpriced. IAG dictating to Aer Lingus to serve the US only is really hampering this and Aer Lingus should be flying to South America now.

I disagree, what correlation is there between South America and China? Manchester has had a Chinese route for years, yet has never had a route to South America. Using your logic there should definitely be a route to South America from this airport.

Under their own leadership, I very much doubt that Aer Lingus would be even remotely thinking about SA anyway.

Routes from Europe to SA are fairly limited when you look at how much traffic goes to Asia and the US. Most routes to SA (South America) are from Portugal and Spain, where have naturally the largest amount of traffic.

Remember, a personal wish is often not a realistic market.

Zonda999 · 16-03-2018 12:53am

I was looking into Hainans operations at Beijing airport. The only disappointing thing about Hainan operating this route instead of Air China is that Hainan have no where near as expansive a network onwards from Beijing that Air China do. I could be wrong in this but for example, in terms of codeshares I can't see how one could fly Dublin to Australasia with the single stop in Beijing on the one booking. Just in terms of giving another option on this route to the ME3 and Cathay

Donegal Storm · 16-03-2018 2:18am

JCX BXC wrote: »

I disagree, what correlation is there between South America and China? Manchester has had a Chinese route for years, yet has never had a route to South America. Using your logic there should definitely be a route to South America from this airport.

Under their own leadership, I very much doubt that Aer Lingus would be even remotely thinking about SA anyway.

Routes from Europe to SA are fairly limited when you look at how much traffic goes to Asia and the US. Most routes to SA (South America) are from Portugal and Spain, where have naturally the largest amount of traffic.

Remember, a personal wish is often not a realistic market.

The South American aviation market seems massively underdeveloped from the little I know of it, if DUB was in South America it'd be narrowly behind Sao Paolo as the second biggest airport on the whole continent. Rio only had 17m pax last year, Buenos Aires (metro pop. of 13 million) only had 9m pax.

Doubt we'll see a flight any time soon though Turkish mentioned that they were looking at a DUB - MEX flight in the future, presumably when both Mexico & Istanbul's new airports are up and running

Locker10a · 16-03-2018 7:02am

hynesie08 wrote: »

HTCOne wrote: »

They have more 787s being delivered than they know what to do with, there’s no need for fuel stops.

Also that would be very poor utilization of a narrow body vs using it on east coast or intra Europe. They’ll have the MAX and LRs for East Coast, the 787s for further afield and thicker routes.

Fair enough, I knew about the MAX'S, but was unaware they had 787s on order as well.

Norwegian have been flying 787s since like 2013

irishrover99 · 16-03-2018 9:10am

Zonda999 wrote: »

I was looking into Hainans operations at Beijing airport. The only disappointing thing about Hainan operating this route instead of Air China is that Hainan have no where near as expansive a network onwards from Beijing that Air China do. I could be wrong in this but for example, in terms of codeshares I can't see how one could fly Dublin to Australasia with the single stop in Beijing on the one booking. Just in terms of giving another option on this route to the ME3 and Cathay

Maybe a stopover for a day or two in Beijing and then fly out with a different airline.
If the price is cheap enough with Hainan, it could be worth it

Captain_Crash · 16-03-2018 9:19am

Zonda999 wrote: »

I was looking into Hainans operations at Beijing airport. The only disappointing thing about Hainan operating this route instead of Air China is that Hainan have no where near as expansive a network onwards from Beijing that Air China do. I could be wrong in this but for example, in terms of codeshares I can't see how one could fly Dublin to Australasia with the single stop in Beijing on the one booking. Just in terms of giving another option on this route to the ME3 and Cathay

Ive actually been looking at flights to BNE recently and the cheapest by far was with Air China via Beijing with a 14hr stopover in PEK. So you arrive in the morning and leave for BNE in the evening and get to spend a day in the city. I wonder if Hainan could compete on price with Air China for such routes.

EDIT: Just checked Hainan's route map and they only fly to BNE from Shenzhen.

rameire · 16-03-2018 9:27am

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Ive actually been looking at flights to BNE recently and the cheapest by far was with Air China via Beijing with a 14hr stopover in PEK. So you arrive in the morning and leave for BNE in the evening and get to spend a day in the city. I wonder if Hainan could compete on price with Air China for such routes.

EDIT: Just checked Hainan's route map and they only fly to BNE from Shenzhen.

Could you
DUB-PEK via Plane
PEK-PVG via high speed train 5 hrs
PVG-BNE via Plane

or
DUB-PEK via Plane
PEK-SZX via high speed train 9 hrs
SZX-BNE via Plane

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