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Temporary Closure of Section of Lough Atalia Road from 23rd March to May, 2015

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  • #202
    dloob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭dloob


    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    The last time I looked this was a northern European University city - that implies cyclists and pedestrians and also implies that changes to traffic management will generally also impact cyclists and pedestrians.

    If you don't like it you are quite free to find somewhere else to live for yourself.

    And the road closures were arranged to facilitate the majority of travelers aka motorists.

    If you don't like it you are quite free to find somewhere else to live for yourself.


  • #203
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    dloob wrote: »
    And the road closures were arranged to facilitate the majority of travelers aka motorists.

    If you don't like it you are quite free to find somewhere else to live for yourself.

    Sorry, but what roads are closed?


  • #204
    Crumbs868
    Closed Accounts Posts: 438 ✭✭Crumbs868


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Sorry, but what roads are closed?

    Lough atalia road is closed to westbound traffic

    College road is closed to eastbound traffic

    Lough atalia bridge is closed to all traffic


  • #205
    ben.schlomo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,266 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    Got the 409 into town this evening and the driver cut into the left lane just opposite the coach station.


  • #206
    ratracer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,314 ✭✭✭ratracer


    ben.schlomo wrote: »
    Got the 409 into town this evening and the driver cut into the left lane just opposite the coach station.

    The buses are allowed do that, it's written in the signs, albeit in small writing!


  • #207
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    dloob wrote: »
    And the road closures were arranged to facilitate the majority of travelers aka motorists.

    The traffic management plan was indeed arranged to facilitate motorists. Yet the City Council gave lip service to the idea of transport alternatives, all the same:
    snubbleste wrote: »
    Joe O'Neill (Acting CEO GCC) was on the wireless morning literally pleading with townsfolk to use bicycles and public transport during these roadworks.

    Wonder if the car park in City Hall will be less full during the period?


  • #208
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    So, now that College Road was closed for tackling a blazing fire.. What happened to motorists?
    All had to go through Eyre Sq?


  • #209
    MarysCurtins
    Registered Users Posts: 30 ✭MarysCurtins


    snubbleste wrote: »
    So, now that College Road was closed for tackling a blazing fire.. What happened to motorists?
    All had to go through Eyre Sq?

    I would presume so, is it only closed for motorists? What about the cyclists / pedestrians / buses?


  • #210
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    MarysCurtins wrote: »
    I would presume so, is it only closed for motorists? What about the cyclists / pedestrians / buses?
    Well obviously pedestrians could get through, as could cyclists.
    It was closed to facilitate firefighter machinery tackling the off-road blaze


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  • #211
    Idioteque
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 630 ✭✭✭Idioteque


    Howdy,

    I've to get to the Radisson in the morning around 9am - coming in from Dublin Road.

    Whats the best approach with roadworks and traffic at that time? I'm open to parking further away and walking if it's bad.

    Thanks


  • #212
    Julabo
    Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭Julabo


    So haven't had to negotiate this yet.

    Decided to do it today. Wow, i pity anyone who has to do it daily.

    People jumping the lanes is horrendous. Used my horn plenty.

    Any word on progress? On time? What date is completion due?


  • #213
    joeKel73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭joeKel73


    The latest thing seems to be to take the right lane then turn in to the Radisson and do a U-turn back out onto the road. Makes it legitimate, apparently....


  • #214
    ratracer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,314 ✭✭✭ratracer


    J o e wrote: »
    The latest thing seems to be to take the right lane then turn in to the Radisson and do a U-turn back out onto the road. Makes it legitimate, apparently....

    I don't know why peeps even bother to do this, if you're gonna lane jump, just do it properly, all the way down to the park house car park entrance, then hop in while the yellow box is clear:cool:


  • #215
    Zzippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    ratracer wrote: »
    I don't know why peeps even bother to do this, if you're gonna lane jump, just do it properly, all the way down to the park house car park entrance, then hop in while the yellow box is clear:cool:

    People are getting so annoyed with this that they're driving onto the yellow box to prevent it. I don't blame them...

    Apt username by the way!


  • #216
    Fozzie Bear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Fozzie Bear


    ratracer wrote: »
    then hop in while the yellow box is clear:cool:

    I hate them. Hate them with an all consuming firey passion. B@stards one and all.

    It should be legal that people who do this, can be dragged from their car by their fellow motorists and beaten to death with their own shoes.

    *Sigh* some day, some glorious day when I'm Supreme Ruler and Over Lord.....


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  • #217
    Diabhal Beag
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    I've noted that last week was the breaking point for most of us not letting right laners in. It's the same cars that pass you in Lough Atalia doing 80 that expect you to let them out by the Radisson. No longer will such a major atrocity be ignored.


  • #218
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Diabhal Beag wrote: »
    I've noted that last week was the breaking point for most of us not letting right laners in. It's the same cars that pass you in Lough Atalia doing 80 that expect you to let them out by the Radisson. No longer will such a major atrocity be ignored.
    Still happening this morning..every minute


  • #219
    boardzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭boardzz


    They should put a warden at the yellow box stopping cars from moving lane, make them go all the way around again. Only let the buses and taxi in.


  • #220
    Julabo
    Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭Julabo


    boardzz wrote: »
    They should put a warden at the yellow box stopping cars from moving lane, make them go all the way around again. Only let the buses and taxi in.

    That was what I was thinking.

    So date of reopening? Anyone know?


  • #221
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    boardzz wrote: »
    They should put a warden at the yellow box stopping cars from moving lane, make them go all the way around again. Only let the buses and taxi in.

    The Council has a grand total of six Community Wardens at present.

    Their duties include
    • detection of Motor Tax offences
    • parking control
    • enforcement of alcohol consumption by-laws
    • litter control
    • dog control
    • horse control
    • monitoring of lifebuoys
    • monitoring of "activities which are licensable by Galway City Council (e.g. opening of roads, placing of skips in public roads, erection of scaffolding, placing of tables and chairs on public roads, non-motorised passenger transporters etc.)"
    • monitoring of compliance with tenancy agreements
    • identifying breaches of Planning legislation, Buildings Control Legislation and Pollution Control Legislation
    • identifying "hazards or other problems which require rectification by Galway City Council, for example, hazards on footpaths, damage to signage, inadequate road marking, defective public lighting"
    • "provision of information and advice to tourists/visitors as appropriate", and
    • "such other duties as may be assigned."
    What are the chances of adding Yellow Box Monitoring, realistically?


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  • #222
    joeKel73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭joeKel73


    Sounds more like a job for a Garda...


  • #223
    boardzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭boardzz


    One warden at peak times over the period of construction will not break the bank.


  • #224
    dastardly00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,457 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    A Garda for an hour in the morning and evening for a few days in a row will sort a lot of it out pretty quickly.


  • #225
    ratracer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,314 ✭✭✭ratracer


    I don't do it btw, but there is no law against changing lanes. It is annoying watching brazen drivers do it, but they are breaking no law!


  • #226
    joeKel73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭joeKel73


    They are in the lane clearly marked as College Road Only (with some exceptions).


  • #227
    boardzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭boardzz


    ratracer wrote: »
    I don't do it btw, but there is no law against changing lanes. It is annoying watching brazen drivers do it, but they are breaking no law!

    Road Traffic Act:

    Careless driving.

    52.—(1) A person shall not drive a vehicle in a public place without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the place.

    (2) A person who contravenes subsection (1) of this section shall be guilty of an offence.


  • #228
    joeKel73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭joeKel73


    Surely they could be nailed with some of these?

    - Proceeding beyond a traffic lane control sign other than in accordance with such sign or without yielding. 1 penalty point. €60 fine

    - Entry by driver into hatched marked area of roadway. 1 penalty point. €80 fine

    - Failure to obey requirements at junctions, e.g. Not being in the correct lane when turning onto another road. 1 penalty point. €60 fine

    - Failure to comply with traffic lane markings. 1 penalty point. €60 fine


  • #229
    manna452121
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭manna452121


    Heading up to Salthill from Limerick early tomorrow morning,with the buses not working,will the roads be very busy around city centre?


  • #230
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,714 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Late merging is encouraged in many countries as its a more efficient use of road space and reduces queues.


  • #231
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    manna452121 wrote: »
    Heading up to Salthill from Limerick early tomorrow morning,with the buses not working,will the roads be very busy around city centre?

    If you come proper early it won't be a problem.

    If you're going to Salthill you could avoid the city centre, which will get increasingly busy with morning market etc.

    No need to go near Lough Atalia Road.

    Try this route perhaps.


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  • #232
    Zzippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    The Council has a grand total of six Community Wardens at present.
    ...
    What are the chances of adding Yellow Box Monitoring, realistically?

    They said at the start that wardens would enforce the extension of the clearway on Forster Street to prevent trucks blocking the 2-lane system during the works. The other morning I drove past one of these wardens on said Forster Street, who was calmly observing as a delivery driver unloaded his parked truck that was blocking the RH lane, undeterred by her presence...
    Lea Limited Schoolwork wrote: »
    Late merging is encouraged in many countries as its a more efficient use of road space and reduces queues.

    Are you mad man? This is Ireland! Don't be talking crazy... :pac:


  • #233
    Eeden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,912 ✭✭✭✭Eeden


    Zzippy wrote: »
    Are you mad man? This is Ireland! Don't be talking crazy... :pac:

    Zzippy - funny, as it is also known as zip merging.

    Yes, I think this should be encouraged; but for some weird reason, we would rather have an empty lane rather than have cars merge only when they really need to.


  • #234
    joeKel73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭joeKel73


    Lea Limited Schoolwork wrote: »
    Late merging is encouraged in many countries as its a more efficient use of road space and reduces queues.

    It reduces queue length but it does not increase throughput. Wouldn't make sense at Lough Atalia as that road can handle a very long backlog without blocking the junctions behind. Also it would unnecessarily delay those using the right lane correctly.


  • #235
    zarquon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭zarquon


    Zip merging is the most efficient use of road space, particularly along lough atalia atm. If everyone did it, it would be grand. The problem is about 5 to 10% only do it which means cars tearing up unused lanes and cutting in which only adds to road rage.

    If you can't beat them, join them. The advantage is greatly diminished when more people used the empty lane effectively making both lanes equal in progression time.

    I think the greatest issue are passive drivers who are almost incapable of switching lanes in busy traffic without a massive gap. There are far too many drivers in Galway who are incapable of proactive driving and making reasonable progress so they take the easy approach and stay in massive lane queues getting mad at more progressive drivers and blocking up junctions and roundabouts by not making reasonable progress. It's a nightmare to be stuck behind such drivers who require loads of (non existant) empty road space before making progress.

    If you want to be a cowardly driver - fine, but don't get angry with progressive drivers. Especially considering that failing to make reasonable progress is a driving test fail.


  • #236
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    J o e wrote: »
    It reduces queue length but it does not increase throughput. Wouldn't make sense at Lough Atalia as that road can handle a very long backlog without blocking the junctions behind. Also it would unnecessarily delay those using the right lane correctly.

    Exactly.

    In fact, it slows progress if lots of people are merging. In countries where periodic slow/passing lanes are routinely built into road designs, these lanes are sometimes closed during high volume periods to allow the road to handle more traffic overall.

    Routine use of both lanes is good if there is a road capacity issue. But that's not the case here.


  • #237
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    zarquon wrote: »
    Zip merging is the most efficient use of road space, particularly along lough atalia atm. If everyone did it, it would be grand. The problem is about 5 to 10% only do it which means cars tearing up unused lanes and cutting in which only adds to road rage.

    If you can't beat them, join them. The advantage is greatly diminished when more people used the empty lane effectively making both lanes equal in progression time.

    I think the greatest issue are passive drivers who are almost incapable of switching lanes in busy traffic without a massive gap. There are far too many drivers in Galway who are incapable of proactive driving and making reasonable progress so they take the easy approach and stay in massive lane queues getting mad at more progressive drivers and blocking up junctions and roundabouts by not making reasonable progress. It's a nightmare to be stuck behind such drivers who require loads of (non existant) empty road space before making progress.

    If you want to be a cowardly driver - fine, but don't get angry with progressive drivers. Especially considering that failing to make reasonable progress is a driving test fail.

    So is ignoring all the road markings & signs that tell you to stay in lane. The queue isn't being caused by passive drivers. It's being caused by ignorant bullies who ignore the signs & markings & push in.

    Zip merging can't be used on Lough Atalia because the two lanes serve different destinations.


  • #238
    O.A.P
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭O.A.P


    [QUOTE=Discodog;95328683

    Zip merging can't be used on Lough Atalia because the two lanes serve different destinations.[/QUOTE]
    That's the best answer on this thread so far.
    Sorry I did not post it first frown.png


  • #239
    joeKel73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭joeKel73


    zarquon wrote: »
    Zip merging is the most efficient use of road space, particularly along lough atalia atm. If everyone did it, it would be grand.

    You're just latching on to something to try excuse giving yourself priority over your fellow road users.

    Road space on Lough Atalia is not an issue, there's plenty of space for a long line of cars.

    If a zip/late merging traffic plan was in place here (and not just in your self-serving fantasy land) how would it help here?? It wouldn't improve the traffic flow through to Eyre Square at all and it just delays all traffic going to the bus station and College Road.


  • #240
    zarquon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭zarquon


    Discodog wrote: »
    So is ignoring all the road markings & signs that tell you to stay in lane. The queue isn't being caused by passive drivers. It's being caused by ignorant bullies who ignore the signs & markings & push in.

    Zip merging can't be used on Lough Atalia because the two lanes serve different destinations.

    That's different so, i wasn't aware of signage requesting to stay in lane.

    For the record i was hypothesizing only. I'm fortunate enough to not have to use lough atalia much and therefore have not been near this area since the works began and i don't intend to until they're complete, if i can help it.

    As long as the queues are not backing up past the college road/lough atalia junction, then i agree there is no need to encourage zip merging behaviour. If there are blockages on this junction at peak times then multi lane use should be encouraged.


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  • #241
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    As I bypassed two lines of near-stationary traffic on Fairgreen Road recently, I had a quick look at the yellow box just here.

    Its actual function when I saw it was to allow motorists avail of the gap to cut in from the right lane into the left lane. Cue furious blowing of horns by motorists behind who were queuing in the left lane.

    If motorists taking the left lane, as required by the Traffic Management Plan, did not leave space at this point, the queue jumpers would not get any advantage. So what is being achieved by dutifully leaving the yellow box clear?


  • #242
    Sconsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    As I bypassed two lines of near-stationary traffic on Fairgreen Road recently, I had a quick look at the yellow box just here.

    Its actual function when I saw it was to allow motorists avail of the gap to cut in from the right lane into the left lane. Cue furious blowing of horns by motorists behind who were queuing in the left lane.

    If motorists taking the left lane, as required by the Traffic Management Plan, did not leave space at this point, the queue jumpers would not get any advantage. So what is being achieved by dutifully leaving the yellow box clear?

    I believe that yellow box is painted there so that busses can travel in the college road lane to avoid queues and then turn left into the station (as per the road signs saying busses can travel in the college road lane on Lough Atalia road).
    Of course it is rendered fairly pointless because of all the ignorant fools who think it is ok to try to skip the queue and end up blocking the whole of the college road lane.


  • #243
    Delicia
    Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭Delicia


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    As I bypassed two lines of near-stationary traffic on Fairgreen Road recently, I had a quick look at the yellow box just here.

    Its actual function when I saw it was to allow motorists avail of the gap to cut in from the right lane into the left lane. Cue furious blowing of horns by motorists behind who were queuing in the left lane.

    If motorists taking the left lane, as required by the Traffic Management Plan, did not leave space at this point, the queue jumpers would not get any advantage. So what is being achieved by dutifully leaving the yellow box clear?

    I was in town last week to visit Revenue offices. On leaving that office I used that very yellow box, correctly, to allow me to change lanes to head to Salthill.

    On another note, the car park beside Revenue was completely full - at 9.30 in the morning? It got me wondering if the carpark was being used by the construction workers as I wouldn't have said it was a busy car park?


  • #244
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    You'd think Tobin Consulting Engineers would be able to look out their window, see what's not working with their traffic management plan, and pop down to help fix it.

    As an aside, I think it's hilarious that Revenue's regional office is in "Apartment 12".


  • #245
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    :-)


    There are indeed a suite of apartments in the building which Revenue is in - would not surprise me if some of them are used for office space, even though the street address still says apartment. (The apartments entrance is separate from the offices one).


  • #246
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Has anyone called Tom about the traffic management plan?
    If people have any queries, you can telephone the Tobin engineer Tom on his mobile M-F 9-5


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  • #247
    Crumbs868
    Closed Accounts Posts: 438 ✭✭Crumbs868


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Has anyone called Tom about the traffic management plan?
    If people have any queries, you can telephone the Tobin engineer Tom on his mobile M-F 9-5

    No joe is the preferred option


  • #248
    WallyGUFC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭WallyGUFC


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    You'd think Tobin Consulting Engineers would be able to look out their window, see what's not working with their traffic management plan, and pop down to help fix it.

    As an aside, I think it's hilarious that Revenue's regional office is in "Apartment 12".
    What do you think isn't working about the plan and what would you do differently? I haven't used the route once since the works began so am interested.


  • #249
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    For me it's the fact that the Council and its consultants were unable and/or unwilling to facilitate cyclists. My understanding was that they could not find a way to make the temporarily revised junctions work for cyclists, so they just chose the easiest option which was to make both College Road and Lough Atalia Road a two-lane one-way system, leaving cyclists to adapt however they could.

    One reason this bugs me, apart from the obvious discommoding of cyclists, is the fact that the footpaths on LAR are routinely used for the illegal parking of cars.

    000a66fb-642.jpg

    I'm only aware of the problems for motorised traffic due to being there on a bike during a horn-blowing session, because I wouldn't dream of going there in a car.

    The big issue seems to be lane-switching and queue-jumping, which was discussed earlier in this thread, starting around here I think: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057172957&page=11

    As for doing things differently, it's too late now of course and anyway the Council/consultants probably made up their own minds long ago. However, now that I think of it, maybe one of the lanes could have been exclusively for buses (and bikes):
    Chris_5339762 wrote: »
    Actually looking at that picture why didn't they make it one way during the works but make one of those lanes a bus lane? Especially given that Lough Atalia Road is the feeder for all of Galways buses, both private and public?


  • #250
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,714 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    is the fact that the footpaths on LAR are routinely used for the illegal parking of cars.

    It was obviously you or one of your ilk who is responsible for keying my car and 4 of my friends cars on different occasions over the last few years when parked outside another friends overnight on LAR, plenty of space to pass the cars on the footpath too.

    Must have missed the person by seconds one night as one group arrived back around 3am and another a few mins later and the damage was done in-between, if they were caught well lets just say they would have enjoyed a night time swim....


  • #251
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Lea Limited Schoolwork wrote: »
    It was obviously you or one of your ilk who is responsible for keying my car and 4 of my friends cars on different occasions over the last few years when parked outside another friends overnight on LAR, plenty of space to pass the cars on the footpath too.

    What did the Gardaí say to you about this illegal behaviour and also the damage to the private property?


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