Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

Wheeliebin30 · 11-06-2019 10:07pm

Suckit wrote: »

I think it is the Insurance companies too... No doubt they can blame the compo culture.
I think they feed off each other. The cartel investigation is just investigation motor insurance, but I'm sure if they looked around..

Nope every business is closing down because of Maria Bailey, there is no other factors like these insurance companies and how they operate.

Let’s leave out the simple facts just about to score some political goals.

Nothing changes

McMurphy · 11-06-2019 10:10pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Nope every business is closing down because of insurance chancers, Gougers on the street, and the likes of Maria Bailey, and Alan Farrel in the Dail, there is no other factors like these insurance companies and how they operate.

Let’s leave out the simple facts just about to score some political goals.

Nothing changes

Tidied that post up a wee bit.

Welcome.

InTheShadows · 11-06-2019 10:10pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Wouldn’t say inadequacy.
They’ve been quite sharp and sinister when it comes to cooking the books on unemployment figures for example.

Recently SW passed my details on to a private company they hired called seetec. If I don’t engage with seetec my payment gets cut off.
I happily engaged and got on a course I wanted and couldn’t afford, I’m now ‘off social welfare’ but instead being paid by a company that runs the course who in turn get paid by the European training fund. That’s all good.

Course only has 6 weeks left and I have to re-sign on and engage with seetec again for job placement. Seetec are rather ruthless and will put you in any job just to get their fee from government.

So again, Leo farming out the problems to others and lying about the ‘falling unemployment figures’ just for positive spin and PR. Actively cooking the books.

This is done in staggered stages every couple of months it seems.
I haven’t yet checked but I’m told seetec are shady at best, (I certainly didn’t agree to my details being handed over to a private company. But GDPR eh?) and they were also ran out of Britain and contract cancelled there by the social there for shady practices. That’s anectdotal for now, I haven’t looked it up yet.

But one thing for sure. They spent huge money on that welfare cheats campaign.
Surely how they’ve been hoisted by their own arrogance and have to apply the same ruthless approach within their own ranks.

If they don’t...there’ll be hell to pay.

Seetec sound as shady as f u c k. No wonder FG got them in.

InTheShadows · 11-06-2019 10:21pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I've been on the dole, done courses and the like. Thankfully many years ago now. it's no fun. If it was as handy as the FG'ers make out we'd be all on it sitting in our forever homes....swing set out the back, 'FG TD's swing at own risk' sign in the grass.

But but but FG'ers tell us constantly it's a great life on the dole. "Free houses. holidays to the Costa's, I phone 8's, one even said on here only yesterday every other car in a council estate is a Merc, BMW or get this a Porsche :pac:

Wheeliebin30 · 11-06-2019 10:30pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Tidied that post up a wee bit.

Welcome.

I actually can’t believe you are able to edit my post and make it look like something I didn’t post.

That is me out, how can I compete with this?

How dare you make out I have said things I haven’t.

McMurphy · 11-06-2019 10:41pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I actually can’t believe you are able to edit my post and make it look like something I didn’t post.

That is me out, how can I compete with this?

How dare you make out I have said things I haven’t.

I quite clearly stated that I tidied your post - it happens regularly on the site, only people might prefix it with the "FYP" (well known abbreviation) for "fixed your post". I have sent back and bolded my added text so it stands out.

I'm sure if I was bothered enough I might possiblyeven see evidence of you doing it yourself, maybe not, no Biggie though either way. It's a handy get out clause though - draw a line in the sand, move on etc matter closed and so on and so forth.

Precious.

Wheeliebin30 · 11-06-2019 10:45pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I quite clearly stated that I tidied your post - it happens regularly on the site, only people might prefix it with the "FYP" (well known abbreviation)

I'm sure if I was bothered enough I might possiblyeven see evidence of you doing it yourself, maybe not, no Biggie though either way. It's a handy get out clause though - draw a line in the sand, move on etc matter closed and so on and so forth.

No you wouldn’t see evidence of me doing it.

Another lie about what I do and say.

As I said the other day there is no discussion or debating here.

Just abuse, lies and personal slagging.

Pathetic.

_blaaz · 11-06-2019 10:49pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Just abuse, lies and personal slagging.

Pathetic.

Complains about abuse and personal slagging....calls someone pathetic

:pac:

McMurphy · 11-06-2019 10:49pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

No you wouldn’t see evidence of me doing it.

Another lie about what I do and say.

As I said the other day there is no discussion or debating here.

Just abuse, lies and personal slagging.

Pathetic.

I haven't abused you, or lied, I said "might possibly" - you say you have never did so, I'll take you at your word.

You okay? Are the past few weeks getting to you?

The Bishop Basher · 11-06-2019 11:25pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

No you wouldn’t see evidence of me doing it.

Another lie about what I do and say.

As I said the other day there is no discussion or debating here.

Just abuse, lies and personal slagging.

Pathetic.

You sound like someone desperately looking for a way out of this rat hole you’ve found yourself in.

It often happens when you try to defend the indefensible.

No one is abusing you.

Snow Garden · 11-06-2019 11:27pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Nope every business is closing down because of Maria Bailey, there is no other factors like these insurance companies and how they operate.

Let’s leave out the simple facts just about to score some political goals.

Nothing changes

Ok let's focus a little here. Tell me what you think of this extract. It has always bothered me. Bear with me.

From the SO'R interview;

MB: I had my beer in my hand, and then I was reaching for my friend’s, I had a bottle of wine, she was taking her camera out of her jacket, I then found myself on the floor.
MB: I was mortified, I jumped up, because I was just mortified.
<snip>
MB: I was told I had a clear cut case.

Huh?? She was mortified (to feel very embarrassed or ashamed) and yet she somehow took someone's word that she had a clear cut case? How could that possibly happen? To a TD? It's quite scary really. Insurance companies must be at the end of their tether with the likes of Bailey/Farrell. How could she admit this on radio? What level of delusion or wanton corruption does that require?

Please explain. I cannot get my head around it. How do you rationalise it?
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InTheShadows · 11-06-2019 11:43pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I haven't abused you, or lied, I said "might possibly" - you say you have never did so, I'll take you at your word.

You okay? Are the past few weeks getting to you?

He had to talk to an unemployed person the other day. The horror. :eek:

AbdulAbhaile · 12-06-2019 5:05am

So now we are to believe that poor Maria and Allen are victims of the insurance companies, really.

So to make a political point seeing as that was brought up, and as an early riser who voted for FG in order to keep FF out why shouldn't I, the problem with Irish politics is the "party man" who will excuse anything their crowd do no matter how reprehensible and this is what empowers the Farrels Baileys and Aherns. They know that their useful idiots will come out to bat for them regardless.

Anyway its 5am and I'm off to work so I can pay my taxes and exorbitant insurance bills.

Shemale · 12-06-2019 7:04am

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Basically insurance companies are making more then enough to cover those costs but are happy to make out that’s the reason.

They arent really, I worked for a large Insurer whose target profit was 9% after claims and expenses, they didnt get near it in the 4 years I worked there.

People milking the system are the issue, false claims, solicitors and people trebling their repair costs when they hear insurance.

I knew of a guy who had 7 accidents where he was rear ended in one year, the money put into investigating him was unreal so as not to pay out, 3 were declined before I left the firm and he was threatening to sue for breach of policy, that isnt easy to manage.

Wheeliebin30 · 12-06-2019 7:41am

Shemale wrote: »

They arent really, I worked for a large Insurer whose target profit was 9% after claims and expenses, they didnt get near it in the 4 years I worked there.

People milking the system are the issue, false claims, solicitors and people trebling their repair costs when they hear insurance.

I knew of a guy who had 7 accidents where he was rear ended in one year, the money put into investigating him was unreal so as not to pay out, 3 were declined before I left the firm and he was threatening to sue for breach of policy, that isnt easy to manage.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/ireland/motor-insurance-hikes-not-reflected-in-claims-data-as-payouts-have-not-risen-significantly-421063.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/opinion/insurance-industry-misleading-public-over-reasons-for-higher-premiums-1.2660988?mode=amp

“Insurance industry figures are claiming increases in the number of personal injury claims are a contributing factor in premium increases, yet published data from the Courts Service Annual Report and the Injuries Board does not support these claims”

Fair enough I’m just going by report like the above and the raids carried out last year by the EU on insurance companies accused of operating like cartels.

But you work in the area so I take your word.

As I said I won’t be voting for FG until Bailey is gone.

Stop moaning ffs · 12-06-2019 7:47am

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

All makes sense now from reading your story.

I should have known and been wiser to not get caught out.

Never again.

Still waiting on a reply to this.
What does it even mean?

Shemale · 12-06-2019 7:56am

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/ireland/motor-insurance-hikes-not-reflected-in-claims-data-as-payouts-have-not-risen-significantly-421063.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/opinion/insurance-industry-misleading-public-over-reasons-for-higher-premiums-1.2660988%3fmode=amp

“Insurance industry figures are claiming increases in the number of personal injury claims are a contributing factor in premium increases, yet published data from the Courts Service Annual Report and the Injuries Board does not support these claims”

This is only an investigation and all bluster if you ask me, they say "if" it is found to be a cartel and premiums "could" fall. Utter garbage imo even if found to be true I dont know what powers EU have to force private companies to reduce rates, secondly the claims culture would most likely deter any would be companies.

In terms of the report they refer to courts and injuries board but that leaves a huge gap(I think) in the middle where cases have come out of injuries board but get settled before court. Companies preference is to settle before court due to the expense involved in a court case.

More claims were being settled before court as the spiralling costs of a day in court and it is more cost efficient to pay an out of court that is less than the cost of a day in court.

As an aside I left the industry three years ago as the salary was crap and got non stop abuse about the premiums so I have no vested interest in siding with insurance.

Thinkingaboutit · 12-06-2019 8:05am

Looking like FG are hoping this will be forgotten about.

smurgen · 12-06-2019 8:09am

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

Looking like FG are hoping this will be forgotten about.

Don't think it will though.everytime a ridiculous claim hits the papers this will get brought up.

angel eyes 2012 · 12-06-2019 8:16am

Snow Garden wrote: »

Ok let's focus a little here. Tell me what you think of this extract. It has always bothered me. Bear with me.

From the SO'R interview;

MB: I had my beer in my hand, and then I was reaching for my friend’s, I had a bottle of wine, she was taking her camera out of her jacket, I then found myself on the floor.
MB: I was mortified, I jumped up, because I was just mortified.
<snip>
MB: I was told I had a clear cut case.

.

This part of the interview is particularly relevant and represents the mindset that Maria and her ilk possess. If I fell off that swing similar to Maria with a drink in each hand and landed on my ass, I would sit there and have a good laugh about the situation and I know my friends would too. Now they would ask me if I was ok, but because I can laugh at myself they would join in and I would make a few jokes about it and get on with my night.

However, Ms. Bailey was "mortified", I don't get this, was she mortified about what her "friends" thought of her or the other patrons - why would she care what the other patrons thought. This mindset started the wheels in motion and in the next breath someone, possibly a former FG solicitor allegedly on the scene, said the words "the hotel is liable" and then the night took a different course and hence the episode swing-gate commenced.

Meanwhile, in an alternate universe, my friends and I would be getting on with the night and having another go on the swings.

I will be awaiting the result of Leo's review, however my fear is that it will be buried and MB will retain her seat.

Poor_old_gill · 12-06-2019 8:17am

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

Looking like FG are hoping this will be forgotten about.

Looks that way alright- they will drag out this investigation until some other big news story breaks and they will release some pointless findings then.

All brushed under the carpet, maybe a wrap on the knuckles for Bailey - hopefully her medical bills aint too high after it.

I'd imagine an even more concerted effort will be made in the near future to rehabilitate her reputation by looking to, once again, play the mental health card.

It's absolutely pathetic that she/supporters of hers have been using this as a way to try move the debate.

Maria please dont bring mental health into it as you are down because the insurance scam that you tried to pull off has failed and you have been badly caught out. You need to act like an adult and take the disdain that will come your way as you were very willing to take the money if the opportunity had arisen.

McMurphy · 12-06-2019 8:19am

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

Looking like FG are hoping this will be forgotten about.

Surely they're not cynical enough to be stalling for time awaiting some other headline to hit the news so they can bury Kennedy's findings in behind it?

Best part of a month this has been hanging over them now, the report due to be delivered by today going by what FG sources say.

tigerboon · 12-06-2019 10:08am

angel eyes 2012 wrote: »

This part of the interview is particularly relevant and represents the mindset that Maria and her ilk possess. If I fell off that swing similar to Maria with a drink in each hand and landed on my ass, I would sit there and have a good laugh about the situation and I know my friends would too. Now they would ask me if I was ok, but because I can laugh at myself they would join in and I would make a few jokes about it and get on with my night.

However, Ms. Bailey was "mortified", I don't get this, was she mortified about what her "friends" thought of her or the other patrons - why would she care what the other patrons thought. This mindset started the wheels in motion and in the next breath someone, possibly a former FG solicitor allegedly on the scene, said the words "the hotel is liable" and then the night took a different course and hence the episode swing-gate commenced.

Meanwhile, in an alternate universe, my friends and I would be getting on with the night and having another go on the swings.

I will be awaiting the result of Leo's review, however my fear is that it will be buried and MB will retain her seat.

What about the bit where she "jumped up". Some feat considering the injuries sustained wouldn't you say

InTheShadows · 12-06-2019 11:17am

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Surely they're not cynical enough to be stalling for time awaiting some other headline to hit the news so they can bury Kennedy's findings in behind it?

Best part of a month this has been hanging over them now, the report due to be delivered by today going by what FG sources say.

As i said a while back the next big world event/disaster/terror attack FG's spin department will be Johnny on the spot with the press release.

Snow Garden · 12-06-2019 11:22am

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

Looking like FG are hoping this will be forgotten about.

They are one month away from the summer recess. They will try and get as close to that as possible.

Poor_old_gill · 12-06-2019 11:36am

tigerboon wrote: »

What about the bit where she "jumped up". Some feat considering the injuries sustained wouldn't you say

(Almost) dead cat bounce?

InTheShadows · 12-06-2019 12:09pm

Snow Garden wrote: »

They are one month away from the summer recess. They will try and get as close to that as possible.

The bloody summer recess ffs, the rest of us get a couple of weeks off work and despite 90% of these clowns doing the square root of f u ck all they'll be off for months. Joke of a system.
Maybe Bailey could go get some swinging lessons in her spare time. :mad:

ohnonotgmail · 12-06-2019 12:13pm

InTheShadows wrote: »

The bloody summer recess ffs, the rest of us get a couple of weeks off work and despite 90% of these clowns doing the square root of f u ck all they'll be off for months. Joke of a system.
Maybe Bailey could go get some swinging lessons in her spare time. :mad:

I'm sure there a few here that would love to educate her. Fnarr.

Shemale · 12-06-2019 1:08pm

InTheShadows wrote: »

Maybe Bailey could go get some swinging lessons in her spare time. :mad:

Fine Gael could well be the party for swingers after Tom Barry got caught rapid on Dail TV pulling Aine Collins into his lap.

McMurphy · 12-06-2019 1:08pm

Just been announced in the 1pm news on Newstalk - Leo has refused to say whether or not he will reveal the details of the report to the public, which was due to have been delivered today.

Leo said "he will have to read it first"

He's surely in a lose lose situation on this, sure it's better for the plebs to just join the dots and form their own version of events leo.

inajock · 12-06-2019 1:12pm

Has she been turning up to the dail at all or completely gone to ground.

Auguste Comte · 12-06-2019 1:25pm

Shemale wrote: »

Fine Gael could well be the party for swingers after Tom Barry got caught rapid on Dail TV pulling Aine Collins into his lap.

In his defence I do believe he had been drinking in work, something that would get most of us plebs sacked. But it's OK, it was only a debate on The Protection of Life During Pregnancy bill.

McMurphy · 12-06-2019 1:52pm

Looks like wheeliebin is an ex FG voter.....

Ms Bailey is chairing a meeting of the Oireachtas Housing committee this morning, her first appearance at the committee since news of her claim against the Dean Hotel first broke last month

James Brown · 12-06-2019 1:56pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Nope every business is closing down because of Maria Bailey, there is no other factors like these insurance companies and how they operate.

Let’s leave out the simple facts just about to score some political goals.

Nothing changes

No they are not, but she shows up Fine Gael for what some members are behind the spin.
To be fair wheels FG can't go from chastising compo culture participants one week to dismiss one of their own doing it as inconsequential the next as you seem to be trying.
True we keep giving FF/FG a pass, nothing changes.

James Brown · 12-06-2019 2:02pm

inajock wrote: »

Has she been turning up to the dail at all or completely gone to ground.

Hey, have some sensitivity, the poor woman fell off a swing ffs....

InTheShadows · 12-06-2019 2:08pm

Every word that comes out of FG'ers mouths now about insurance cheats is worthless and every time someone get's a crazy insurance renewal they will remember people the ilk of Bailey are responsible.

Snow Garden · 12-06-2019 2:08pm

inajock wrote: »

Has she been turning up to the dail at all or completely gone to ground.

Both. She has been going to the Dail and falling on the ground a lot.

RustyNut · 12-06-2019 2:59pm

InTheShadows wrote: »

Every word that comes out of FG'ers mouths now about insurance cheats is worthless and every time someone get's a crazy insurance renewal they will remember people the ilk of Bailey are responsible.

Or dole cheats, or FF cheats or any other cheats really. Is this sort of thing because the FF tail has been wagging the FG dog?

Qui Cum Canibus Concumbunt Cum Pulicibus Surgent.

ohnonotgmail · 12-06-2019 3:00pm

RustyNut wrote: »

Or dole cheats, or FF cheats or any other cheats really. Is this sort of thing because the FF tail has been wagging the FG dog.

Qui Cum Canibus Concumbunt Cum Pulicibus Surgent.

ooh, fancy.

Auguste Comte · 12-06-2019 3:37pm

RustyNut wrote: »

Qui Cum Canibus Concumbunt Cum Pulicibus Surgent.

LOL.. We had a Christian brother who was always coming out with that. He was warning us off about the girls from the protestant school down the road. We laughed because he said girls and cum in the same sentence.

Innocent times.

James Brown · 12-06-2019 3:54pm

That's it, like we needed more proof. Leo's dole fraud PR stunt and the comp culture talk. The whole FG shtick is built on calling out people as chancers without a thought to vulnerable and/or genuine people...like that poor Maria Bailey

McMurphy · 12-06-2019 6:47pm

Anyone think these two articles placed side by side on the Indo are strategically placed so, rather than coincidentally so?

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Who is Paddy McKillen?

Meet the teetotal Dublin pub boss who's taking over the capital

So take a deep breath and count his successes: Sophie's; Angelina's; Dollard & Co; Elephant & Castle; Roberta's; Tomahawk; Union Cafe; Wagamama; Wowburger; The Dean Hotel; The Devlin Hotel; the Bison Bar; Everleigh Garden; The Garage Bar, Kennedy's Bar; Mary's Bar; Peruke & Periwig; Stella Cocktail Club; Suas; the Liquor Rooms; the Workman's Club, Vintage Cocktail Club; and the hip new Stella Theatre are all on his books. He is set to open another venue, The Dutch Billy, in the coming weeks.

bmc58 · 12-06-2019 6:51pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Hey, have some sensitivity, the poor woman fell off a swing ffs....

And she "only has one drink at home before going out" and one at the hotel.She has holding "the third one on the swing" when she had her catastrophic tumble.

Rows Grower · 12-06-2019 7:53pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Anyone think these two articles placed side by side on the Indo are strategically placed so, rather than coincidentally so?

Who is Paddy McKillen?

Meet the teetotal Dublin pub boss who's taking over the capital

I like the cut of his jib, low profile hard worker, risk taker and massive employer.

golfball37 · 12-06-2019 8:04pm

Rows Grower wrote: »

I like the cut of his jib, low profile hard worker, risk taker and massive employer.

Noonan tried to blacken him when he wouldn’t go into Nama.

Suckit · 12-06-2019 8:16pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Anyone think these two articles placed side by side on the Indo are strategically placed so, rather than coincidentally so?

And she going back to work on the same day that the 'independent investigation' is supposed to conclude..

nuac · 12-06-2019 8:18pm

Looking at those swings - they seem to be only 15 inches at most from the floor.

Unless one were standing up on the boards, hard to see how any serious injury, or indeed any injury could be sustained.

McMurphy · 12-06-2019 8:23pm

nuac wrote: »

Looking at those swings - they seem to be only 15 inches at most from the floor.

Unless one were standing up on the boards, hard to see how any serious injury, or indeed any injury could be sustained.

I wondered how she needed plasters from polished wood tbh?

Can you put a plaster on a bruised ego?

mikemac2 · 12-06-2019 8:34pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Who is Paddy McKillen?

Meet the teetotal Dublin pub boss who's taking over the capital

New pub named the Dutch Billy? Oooh controversial. Drinks promotions on July 12th? Will be a gay bar for sure like King Billy himself

Tom1991 · 12-06-2019 8:38pm

Old article but it became the lucky duck

Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

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