US congresswomen refuse to condemn brutal attack on ICE facility.

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Well then families with children go somewhere else.
See what happens if you try to enter Mexico illegally from Honduras

The world is full of concentration camps full of innocent people who have done nothing wrong.

Its still not right.

What is your point?

Oh that is correct you have no legitimate point. You want to play the whataboutery game.

Well let me tell you about that game. It comes from soviet and russian propaganda.

So lets get back to the point. Is there any reason not to call American concentration camps concentration camps?

You realize they are not letting children go now. Even if their parents leave. Their excuse is they cannot FIND them in the system.

Its really a message. We will TAKE your children. And we will keep them.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I still champion what ICE do, but these detention centres have existed for over a decade , theyre only being called ‘concentration camps’ since 2017. Not one issue was taken with them before then, but sure dont let that get in the way of blaming trump.

Incorrect.
In 2007, the program, Secure Communities, was created within ICE to identify criminal aliens, prioritize them based on the severity of the crimes that they committed, and transform the processes necessary to remove them by increasing efficiency.

It was used only to identify criminals at this stage.


In a memo dated November 20, 2014, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson discontinued the Secure Communities program. On January 25, 2017, the Secure Communities program was restarted by the Department of Homeland Security per an executive order signed by President Donald Trump. The program was expanded to include ALL immigrants without papers not just those with criminal records and children.

Further more facilities were designed for brief detention stays, after which migrants are usually turned over to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or in the case of parent–child pairs and other children, to the Office of Refugee Resettlement. Under standard procedures, this detention should not exceed 72 hours, but in mid-2019, the average length of detention exceeded one week.

This is all Trump.

SoundsRight wrote: »

These women seem to be stirring up a race war. They are polarising opinion much more than Trump could ever do.

Eh where have you been the last 2 years. Polarising opinion worldwide is literally all Trump has done since taking office.........swing and a miss.

notobtuse wrote: »

AOC is fascinating to watch, politically. Every time she opens her mouth we get a new lesson in stupidity and ignorance. Luckily I’m older and won’t be around to see someone like AOC run America into the ground, if the likes of her are our future. Feel sorry for my kids, though.

When Donald Trump fans come out with sentences like this

weldoninhio wrote: »

Except he never said that did he.

He said that if they were so worried about the state of the countries their families came from, then they should go there and help make them better. They are American citizens, elected by the American people, to work for them in the interests of America. He is 100% right that if they want to improve another country, they should go there, get elected there, and help improve them.

But its a lot easier to compact it down to "go home" isn't it.

Except he said something quite different, didn't he?

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how...

1. Three of the four Congresswomen were born in the US
2. They are all US citizens
3. They were all elected by other US citizens to govern the US - that's their job
4. Highlighting the deficiencies in the existent US was the very basis for Trump's campaign. In more loud and vicious rhetoric, for that matter. Should he go to Scotland or Germany then?

Aren't these 4 targeting other non-white legislators in the Democratic party ?

They seem to be quite dangerous and divide as much as Trump does.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why would he? He is a US citizen, trying to make US better.

As are the Congresswomen.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Your analogy would only work if was whinging and moaning that Scots and Germans should get a free pass into the states because their countries were a mess. :rolleyes:

He's claimed both Germany and the UK are a mess.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why would he? He is a US citizen, trying to make US better. Your analogy would only work if was whinging and moaning that Scots and Germans should get a free pass into the states because their countries were a mess.

his analogy is correct.
US citizens rightly complaining about the state of the government. US citizen runs for president on a mantra of complaining about the state of the government. US citizen who becomes president complains about the state of other countries.
the only way your point works is if people were whinging that americans should get a free pass into scotland/germany/wherever.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why would he? He is a US citizen, trying to make US better. Your analogy would only work if was whinging and moaning that Scots and Germans should get a free pass into the states because their countries were a mess. :rolleyes:

What are you on about. He attacked them for criticizing America (and him and Pelosi) not for wanting immigrants to get in. How much more of the metal arithmetic do you need do to excuse his nonsense. I'm no fan of the Squad but it's pretty clear who is behaving like complete bigot in this spat to win the votes of uneducated and poor white voters. And they will lap it up because opinionated young liberal women scare them.

splashuum wrote: »

Who told her to go back to her own country? Can you provide evidence of this?

From Trump's twitter:

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

Trump very clearly and explicitly said they came from other countries and should go back to those countries. He drew a very clear distinction between the countries they came from, and the United States.

Any other interpretation of what he said is bullsh*t.

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Or maybe the message is If you enter our country illegally will will detain you..same as pretty much every other country with a defined border.




Why do you people always get so outraged about the US? It's actually the most liberal country on earth.

It's far from it. And the Trump administration isn't just detaining those who enter illegally - it's got (an illegal) policy of keeping all asylum seekers in indefinite detention. Direct Provision here may be an absolute abomination, but at least we're not locking people up for exercising their right to seek asylum.

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Opinionated young liberal women don't scare anybody...the majority of them don't even have jobs and even fewer have any intelligence.

If you say so:

In the 2016 election, 48 percent of college-educated white voters voted for Trump, compared with 66 percent of non-college-educated white voters. A Marist poll in October of this year found that 55 percent of non-college-educated white voters approved of the job Trump was doing, compared with just 39 percent of college-educated white voters. When Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh squeaked through a Senate confirmation hearing with a sexual assault allegation in tow, 54 percent of non-college-educated white voters supported him, compared with 38 percent who had gone to college. And the partisan diploma divide held steady last night, reflecting a divide in values between those with degrees and those without.

The growing diploma divide is less a result of non-college-educated white voters becoming Republicans, and more of college-educated white voters finding that they can’t fully support the party anymore. “What's happened since 2016 is that the low-educated whites have kind of plateaued in their support for the Republicans,” Tesler says. “But you've seen this trend increase [of] high-educated whites [moving] towards the Democrats.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/11/education-gap-explains-american-politics/575113/

There is clear divide showing and getting stronger under Trump. You can claim they are stupid and unemployed but the likelihood is that they are neither and probably in better position than those sneering at them.

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Or maybe the message is If you enter our country illegally will will detain you..same as pretty much every other country with a defined border.




Why do you people always get so outraged about the US? It's actually the most liberal country on earth.

there is a massive difference between simply detaining people until their application is heard and a decision made, with families kept together (women and children at least) as is practiced by most western countries, and detaining people for an unknown duration in concentration camp like conditions, separating the children from their parents, and even with-holding them upon the parents release.
that isn't about sending a message that you will be detained if you enter the country illegally.

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Opinionated young liberal women don't scare anybody...the majority of them don't even have jobs and even fewer have any intelligence.

you obviously have followed all of these women around to be able to make that conclusion. very interesting, could you tell us more based on the large amount of information you have gathered?
oh wait, you are just making up nonsense. grand so.