US congresswomen refuse to condemn brutal attack on ICE facility.

ILoveYourVibes

I don't agree with what ICE are doing. But the mask is slipping for Ocasio Cortez and Ilhan Omar.

Neither of them are kind people. They are angry people. They have succumbed to extremism.

They are very very naive.

Daphne Disgusting Pasta

Daphne Disgusting Pasta wrote:

It's not rhetoric. They are concentration camps.

It's rhetoric

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

It's rhetoric

They are concentration camps.

There is no reason to have children there or to separate families.

However to launch attacks at this stage etc highly psychotic.

ILoveYourVibes

In my view neither Ocasio Cortex or Ilhan Oman are suitable for public office and I am a leftist. But thats democracy for you.

Ocasio Cortex has basically become the lefts version of Trey Gowdy.

They are the mirror image of each other.

The Enbalmer

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

There is no reason to have children there or to separate families.

Well then families with children go somewhere else.
See what happens if you try to enter Mexico illegally from Honduras

Eric Cartman

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

They are concentration camps.

There is no reason to have children there or to separate families.

However to launch attacks at this stage etc highly psychotic.

But do you acknowledge that these ‘camps’ as you call them existed and ran in the same manor under presidents predating donald trump and they are not a tool he has installed

RayPurchase

Not quite on Trump's level of calling neo nazi terrorists very fine people, but her lack of a condemnation is very poor form.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Please defend that in any manor, this actually seems like the most outrageousstatement of this thread

Eric Cartman wrote: »

But do you acknowledge that these ‘camps’ as you call them existed and ran in the same manor under presidents predating donald trump and they are not a tool he has installed

Is this a country manor?

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Trump's recent remarks are undoubtedy racist. If you disagree, you are probably a racist too.

Eric Cartman

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Is this a country manor?

Ofcourse not, security would have removed you already.

RayPurchase

Eric Cartman wrote: »

But do you acknowledge that these ‘camps’ as you call them existed and ran in the same manor under presidents predating donald trump and they are not a tool he has installed

This seems to have done a complete 180 with Trump supporters compared to one year ago when it was all fist pumping about hard borders, scaring off potential illegals by any means necessary, not using 'kiddie gloves' like Obama who supposedly just let anyone in, and so on.

Trump supporters loved playing the "big tough guy" on this one and claiming those before them were too weak to do what they deemed necessary, now they seem eager to claim it was like this all along and that basically nothing changed under Trump.

But if immigrant numbers go down, they'll be right back there cheering the throwing of children into what are for all intents and purposes concentration camps as a success of Trump's making. Until people point out how utterly scummy it is, then they'll be just as quick to claim it was always like this, and nothing changed under Trump.

And on and on the cycle goes.

Eric Cartman

RayPurchase wrote: »

This seems to have done a complete 180 with Trump supporters compared to one year ago when it was all fist pumping about hard borders, scaring off potential illegals by any means necessary, not using 'kiddie gloves' like Obama who supposedly just let anyone in, and so on.

Trump supporters loved playing the "big tough guy" on this one and claiming those before them were too weak to do what they deemed necessary, now they seem eager to claim it was like this all along and that basically nothing changed under Trump.

But if immigrant numbers go down, they'll be right back there cheering the throwing of children into what are for all intents and purposes concentration camps as a success of Trump's making. Until people point out how utterly scummy it is, then they'll be just as quick to claim it was always like this, and nothing changed under Trump.

And on and on the cycle goes.

I still champion what ICE do, but these detention centres have existed for over a decade , theyre only being called ‘concentration camps’ since 2017. Not one issue was taken with them before then, but sure dont let that get in the way of blaming trump.

ILoveYourVibes

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Well then families with children go somewhere else.
See what happens if you try to enter Mexico illegally from Honduras

The world is full of concentration camps full of innocent people who have done nothing wrong.

Its still not right.

What is your point?

Oh that is correct you have no legitimate point. You want to play the whataboutery game.

Well let me tell you about that game. It comes from soviet and russian propaganda.

So lets get back to the point. Is there any reason not to call American concentration camps concentration camps?

You realize they are not letting children go now. Even if their parents leave. Their excuse is they cannot FIND them in the system.

Its really a message. We will TAKE your children. And we will keep them.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

It's funny how Trump lovers will denounce Mexico as a lawless narco-state one minute, then use its treatment of migrants to justify their own idol's record the next.

ILoveYourVibes

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I still champion what ICE do, but these detention centres have existed for over a decade , theyre only being called ‘concentration camps’ since 2017. Not one issue was taken with them before then, but sure dont let that get in the way of blaming trump.

Incorrect.
In 2007, the program, Secure Communities, was created within ICE to identify criminal aliens, prioritize them based on the severity of the crimes that they committed, and transform the processes necessary to remove them by increasing efficiency.

It was used only to identify criminals at this stage.


In a memo dated November 20, 2014, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson discontinued the Secure Communities program. On January 25, 2017, the Secure Communities program was restarted by the Department of Homeland Security per an executive order signed by President Donald Trump. The program was expanded to include ALL immigrants without papers not just those with criminal records and children.

Further more facilities were designed for brief detention stays, after which migrants are usually turned over to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or in the case of parent–child pairs and other children, to the Office of Refugee Resettlement. Under standard procedures, this detention should not exceed 72 hours, but in mid-2019, the average length of detention exceeded one week.

This is all Trump.

is_that_so

steddyeddy wrote: »

I mostly hear about her from right wing nut jobs. They do a great job of advertising her policies.

Interestingly enough in the same week Trump said airports were raided during the American war of Indepence AOC was being called stupid by republicans.

She plays well in place the Dems are safe in. The trouble is that she fully embraces and almost encourages the vilification. That's an admirable quality in general but when you seem to be the lightning rod for all that's "bad" about the Dems she's something of a liability. In the context of this topic she needs to work out a more balanced, more nuanced commentary on it. Sure it'll offend some people but it puts yet another AOC story to bed.

SoundsRight

These women seem to be stirring up a race war. They are polarising opinion much more than Trump could ever do.

notobtuse

notobtuse wrote: »

AOC is fascinating to watch, politically. Every time she opens her mouth we get a new lesson in stupidity and ignorance. Luckily I’m older and won’t be around to see someone like AOC run America into the ground, if the likes of her are our future. Feel sorry for my kids, though.

I keep hearing this all over certain parts of reddit. Can you point me to something where she's been stupid and ignorant?

ollkiller

SoundsRight wrote: »

These women seem to be stirring up a race war. They are polarising opinion much more than Trump could ever do.

Eh where have you been the last 2 years. Polarising opinion worldwide is literally all Trump has done since taking office.........swing and a miss.

weldoninhio

Matt Barrett wrote: »

The Commander in chaps.

Except he never said that did he.

He said that if they were so worried about the state of the countries their families came from, then they should go there and help make them better. They are American citizens, elected by the American people, to work for them in the interests of America. He is 100% right that if they want to improve another country, they should go there, get elected there, and help improve them.

But its a lot easier to compact it down to "go home" isn't it.

Billy Mays

notobtuse wrote: »

AOC is fascinating to watch, politically. Every time she opens her mouth we get a new lesson in stupidity and ignorance. Luckily I’m older and won’t be around to see someone like AOC run America into the ground, if the likes of her are our future. Feel sorry for my kids, though.

When Donald Trump fans come out with sentences like this

alastair

K.Flyer wrote: »

Nonsense, she only won in her area because of no competition.
A glass of water with a "D" beside it could have won in her district.

She beat a well established and influential sitting candidate with a D beside his name. So, no.

alastair

weldoninhio wrote: »

Except he never said that did he.

He said that if they were so worried about the state of the countries their families came from, then they should go there and help make them better. They are American citizens, elected by the American people, to work for them in the interests of America. He is 100% right that if they want to improve another country, they should go there, get elected there, and help improve them.

But its a lot easier to compact it down to "go home" isn't it.

Except he said something quite different, didn't he?

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how...

1. Three of the four Congresswomen were born in the US
2. They are all US citizens
3. They were all elected by other US citizens to govern the US - that's their job
4. Highlighting the deficiencies in the existent US was the very basis for Trump's campaign. In more loud and vicious rhetoric, for that matter. Should he go to Scotland or Germany then?

weldoninhio

alastair wrote: »

Except he said something quite different, didn't he?



1. Three of the four Congresswomen were born in the US
2. They are all US citizens
3. They were all elected by other US citizens to govern the US - that's their job
4. Highlighting the deficiencies in the existent US was the very basis for Trump's campaign. In more loud and vicious rhetoric, for that matter. Should he go to Scotland or Germany then?

Why would he? He is a US citizen, trying to make US better. Your analogy would only work if was whinging and moaning that Scots and Germans should get a free pass into the states because their countries were a mess. :rolleyes:

Calhoun

Aren't these 4 targeting other non-white legislators in the Democratic party ?

They seem to be quite dangerous and divide as much as Trump does.

is_that_so

Calhoun wrote: »

Aren't these 4 targeting other non-white legislators in the Democratic party ?

They seem to be quite dangerous and divide as much as Trump does.

They are first time politicians, full of the energy of the convictions. Their ideas are appealing to a certain cohort and in principle not completely crazy, However, first-timers often imagine they will change the system, get everything done yesterday and in their case barrack other people for getting in their way. Their similarity to Trump is only incidental but their brand of populism is not a whole lot different to his draining the swamp mantra and just as appealing to their own base.

alastair

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why would he? He is a US citizen, trying to make US better.

As are the Congresswomen.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Your analogy would only work if was whinging and moaning that Scots and Germans should get a free pass into the states because their countries were a mess. :rolleyes:

He's claimed both Germany and the UK are a mess.

weldoninhio

alastair wrote: »

As are the Congresswomen.



He's claimed both Germany and the UK are a mess.

Did he say that they should get a free pass into USA, like AOC etc want for illegals from other countries??

end of the road

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why would he? He is a US citizen, trying to make US better. Your analogy would only work if was whinging and moaning that Scots and Germans should get a free pass into the states because their countries were a mess.

his analogy is correct.
US citizens rightly complaining about the state of the government. US citizen runs for president on a mantra of complaining about the state of the government. US citizen who becomes president complains about the state of other countries.
the only way your point works is if people were whinging that americans should get a free pass into scotland/germany/wherever.

alastair

weldoninhio wrote: »

Did he say that they should get a free pass into USA, like AOC etc want for illegals from other countries??

And where did she say that then? I look forward to the link.