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Woman rakes up 648 convictions

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,782 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Andrew Maxwell has let himself go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭touts


    I'll bet the Criminal's Rights lobby groups like Irish Council For Civil Liberties and Irish Penal Reform Trust won't be available for any drive time shows this afternoon. Even they couldn't defend a system that keeps this one on the streets.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    If only we had a system where the state could punish people properly, I would see nothing wrong at all with having the woman hung and such a execution would send a message to the rest of society. Bring back the Death Penalty for serial offenders like her and anyone with multiple convictions should be sent to the gallows and let us clean up society for a change.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭lalababa


    Some sort of drying out/ mental institution type thingy for this lady. ( BTW I know SFA about her personal circumstances : sending her back to prison might be the best place for her.) Putting her back in prison is just stupid.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭GhostyMcGhost


    El_Bee wrote: »
    Guys, prison doesn't work, they tried prison in america and there's still crime over there. this poor woman clearly suffers from a Difficult home life, Substance abuse issues, Learning difficulties, Having a "bad time of it", she probably has a letter from a social worker saying that she swears she'll turn things around..... THIS time! so lay off the poor woman. No-one is perfect I'm sure you're all no angles, stop being busy bodies and worrying about other people stick to your own lives ok?

    Don't be so obtuse
    This woman is acute hoor not fit for the streets

    Wonder would you have the same degree of sympathy if you ended up one of her victims. You'd be going 90....

    She claims she'll do a 360 this time around but I can't see her going straight


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    lalababa wrote: »
    Some sort of drying out/ mental institution type thingy for this lady. ( BTW I know SFA about her personal circumstances : sending her back to prison might be the best place for her.) Putting her back in prison is just stupid.

    The mental health act purposefully excludes all addiction related issues.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭Odelay


    theguzman wrote: »
    If only we had a system where the state could punish people properly, I would see nothing wrong at all with having the woman hung and such a execution would send a message to the rest of society. Bring back the Death Penalty for serial offenders like her and anyone with multiple convictions should be sent to the gallows and let us clean up society for a change.

    You might be going just a tad overboard there. Locking up for 10 years after 10 convictions will do nicely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    I believe she’ll change.





    Then again my boss also believed me when I said I was sick two weeks ago after a night on the sauce


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Weird, that would mean she's been in the entire time since she was 17. Must work quick to get caught again each time.

    Herald must have made a mistake so, maybe didn't included suspended sentences? But your second point seems pretty likely. Sounds like she just gets released and goes straight back on the booze, and since shes got no money coming out she steals it and is straight back inside


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/serial-thief-handed-one-last-chance-as-she-walks-free-after-648th-conviction-38312544.html

    Clearly this person will never change and she will just continue to steal, assault and be a burden to us the taxpayers.

    The only solution for people like this is a long sentence to the central mental health hospital with/or psychiatric drugs to inhibit their behaviors or a lobotomy.


    Lobotomy sounds like a great idea, the do gooders would never go for it though...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    Worth noting that this type of consequence-free approach to criminal justice enables serious crimes, like the violent rape of a Spanish student some years ago by a man who was free to offend despite persistent breaches of his bail conditions for prior charges, all of which were ignored.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Herald must have made a mistake so, maybe didn't included suspended sentences? But your second point seems pretty likely. Sounds like she just gets released and goes straight back on the booze, and since shes got no money coming out she steals it and is straight back inside




    That would be it, precisely. She needs hospital treatment, because just chucking her inside doesn't work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,578 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    Worth noting that this type of consequence-free approach to criminal justice enables serious crimes, like the violent rape of a Spanish student some years ago by a man who was free to offend despite persistent breaches of his bail conditions for prior charges, all of which were ignored.

    Way too simplistic, especially regarding the rapist in that case.

    He was a symptom and a consequence of a dysfunctional mental / social care system way before any failings in the the criminal justice system.

    Went into care at 15 months, fell through every crack right up to the time before the horrific attack. Eventually diagnosed with several severe disorders.

    Will do 10 years in jail where he won't get any help and will eventually come out and re-offend again in all likely-hood.

    The next one of him is being made at the moment, with a 3 year waiting list in some parts of the country for children to access a psychologist it's inevitable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    Banned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Turner wrote: »
    !!!

    Wouldnt make financial sense to the legal profession to lock her up.
    !

    This always gets trotted out here with cases like this.

    Youd swear we had a shortage of scumbags in the country and the solicitors were all spending their days staring at the wall.

    Giving her a decent sentence will have no impact on the income of the countrys solicitors.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    branie2 wrote: »
    That's a lot!

    No way, is it?!?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    El_Bee wrote: »
    Guys, prison doesn't work, they tried prison in america and there's still crime over there.

    How many people are victims of crime committed by people while they're in prison?

    Scumbags gonna scumbag. The longer they spend in jail the longer the respite the general public gets.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,546 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    648 convictions! says a whole lot more about our justice system than it does about her, tbf. I'm sure the Garda are sick of cases like this.

    She should be made work for her dole, permanent community service. If she keeps offending, cut her off altogether, restricting what she calls income is the only way to get her attention.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    The mental health act purposefully excludes all addiction related issues.

    Would be interested in the timing of that clause? and if it covers crime caused by addiction , or self harm while drink etc?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,578 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    She should be made work for her dole

    She is homeless.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,546 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    Boggles wrote: »
    She is homeless.

    Does that stop her getting dole?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    She should be locked up in a mental health facility. She's obviously got issues and it's pretty disgusting, not to mention a waste of tax payer money, to let her repeat these actions over and over like it's acceptable. If she were from Dublin 4 she'd be in a clinic for treatment somewhere after the first few convictions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,704 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Boggles wrote: »
    He was a symptom and a consequence of a dysfunctional mental / social care system way before any failings in the the criminal justice system.

    Always the system’s fault. Never the individual, is it?
    Boggles wrote: »
    Will do 10 years in jail where he won't get any help and will eventually come out and re-offend again in all likely-hood.

    So why let him out? His crime deserved an indefinite sentence. As does a rap sheet of over 600 convictions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    What a joke of a system, people like her and that waste of space that had 200+ convictions knocking down a Law student (who suffered severe brain injuries from) should be permanently removed from society.

    Why should we suffer and them protected by this revolving door system??


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Aside from the absurdity of the 'last chance', that actually beggars belief. She has been an adult for 26 years (shorter than the amount of time she'd been behind bars), or almost 9,500 days. This is an average of one conviction per 27 days, every 27 days, for over a quarter of a century.

    I'm all against imprisonment for non-violent crime, but how in the name of Christ are you s'posed to fix something that is that broken? I mean, at this stage, it would be nearly cheaper to just pay for the stuff she's stealing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    when does the wellbeing of the many outweigh the rights of the one?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,578 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Nermal wrote: »
    Always the system’s fault. Never the individual, is it?

    No one said that. This Edgelord nonsense is just tiring. :rolleyes:

    Nermal wrote: »
    So why let him out? His crime deserved an indefinite sentence. As does a rap sheet of over 600 convictions.

    His crime "deserved" 14 years according to a Judge.

    Take it up with him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭Lackadaisical


    That’s an average of 648 offenses 24.9 offenses per year for her entire adult life, or 14.7 for her entire life

    I mean at that rate she was probably in the courts more often than many barristers!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    Boggles wrote: »
    Way too simplistic, especially regarding the rapist in that case.

    He was a symptom and a consequence of a dysfunctional mental / social care system way before any failings in the the criminal justice system.

    Went into care at 15 months, fell through every crack right up to the time before the horrific attack. Eventually diagnosed with several severe disorders.

    Will do 10 years in jail where he won't get any help and will eventually come out and re-offend again in all likely-hood.

    The next one of him is being made at the moment, with a 3 year waiting list in some parts of the country for children to access a psychologist it's inevitable.

    If the bail conditions were enforced he would have been imprisoned on remand and could not have committed that violent rape. That's a simple fact, which you seem to confuse with simplistic.

    You can blather on about people falling through the cracks until you're blue in the face but the fact is we already spend a significant amount on social services and may not be able to spend much more. Whereas a functioning criminal justice system that protects people from criminals is quite feasible and could easily make a dent in the obscene level of recidivism in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    is kleptomania not a mental disorder?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    Simple solution. 1 month mandatory prison sentence with no early release per previous conviction. You'd die of old age before you got over 30 convictions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,578 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    If the bail conditions were enforced he would have been imprisoned on remand and could not have committed that violent rape.

    Maybe. Depends on how long he got. The offences were relatively minor. Wouldn't have stopped him raping someone else when he eventually got out though.

    What we do know for sure though, is if he had been sanctioned before that time he definitely couldn't of done it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    She's 44 she looks in her late 60s....

    Hard work that robbing.

    That's the toll spending 27 of your 44 years in jail has on her.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    Everyone deserves a 649th chance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Ronaldinho


    +1 for a death sentence but if anyone can point out a positive effect she has on society I'd reconsider.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    Simple solution:

    3 strikes and your out - mandatory 1000 year sentence, hard labour, cracking rocks on the moon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    gifted wrote: »
    10 convictions should automatically warrant a 10 year jail sentence

    She is a terrible thief, despite all the convictions , she is a homeless addict, she needs to be in a psychiatric unit for her own safety but the liberals who dictate policy view that as not nice so this is what we get


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Would be interested in the timing of that clause? and if it covers crime caused by addiction , or self harm while drink etc?

    It's just a straight out exclusion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭Lackadaisical


    To be quite honest, I'd rather see the focus being put on dealing with the supply of drugs at the top and mid levels. The majority of people who are ending up before the district courts are victims of addictive substances being sold by these gangs. Yeah, their actions are annoying and even infuriating if you're the victim of petty crime, but it's petty crime.

    We seem to spend an awful lot of time chasing petty stuff and it will not be resolved until we go after the mid and high level stuff in a much more aggressive way.

    I'd rather see very well funded treatment programmes and support programmes for addicts at the lower end of the pyramid. It's worth investing in, as we're not getting anywhere with the current approach which seems to be to burry our heads in the sand and pretend it will go away with normal policing.

    I mean someone like that turning up in court hundreds of times for the same offences is shocking but it's more an indictment of the policies and the system that for whatever reason, she's not getting the help to deal with her chaotic lifestyle. It's not good for her and it's not good for society.

    All these calls for capital punishment and extreme stuff are utter nonsense. Deal with the damn mess that has been allowed to grow up in our towns and cities. There's been so much handwringing for so long!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    people like that dont change. prison wont improve them. getting let off doesn't either.

    so off with her head i say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭dhaughton99


    Crack is wack!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    The majority of people who are ending up before the district courts are victims of addictive substances being sold by these gangs. Yeah, their actions are annoying and even infuriating if you're the victim of petty crime, but it's petty crime.

    Yes its petty crime but it's still the likes of breaking into people's houses which is vile. If the low level criminals want help they can get help and in return help catch the mid level criminals


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Greyfox wrote: »
    Yes its petty crime but it's still the likes of breaking into people's houses which is vile. If the low level criminals want help they can get help and in return help catch the mid level criminals
    "If low-level criminals want help they can get help" -- are you kidding me, or are you excluding drug addicts from that?

    Do you know how difficult/ almost impossible it is to access state-funded rehabilitation in this country for people with heroin addiction?

    I agree with you that breaking into someone's home is one of the most serious crimes on the law books, and is way too trivialised. It can ruin a person's sense of security and some people never recover.

    Still, the answer isn't retribution and anger, it's engagement with social services, including drug rehab.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭Bio Mech


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Those drugs kids are scary though

    Only if you say yes to them. Otherwise: grand


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35 nuyil simp


    Boggles wrote: »
    She is homeless.

    she's just like you and me...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    We seem to spend an awful lot of time chasing petty stuff and it will not be resolved until we go after the mid and high level stuff in a much more aggressive way.
    AKA The War on Drugs


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    She is a terrible thief, despite all the convictions , she is a homeless addict, she needs to be in a psychiatric unit for her own safety but the liberals who dictate policy view that as not nice so this is what we get

    Jaysus, I was with you until the last bit.
    Which is more liberal continuing to lock her up or sending her to a clinic to get dried out and psychiatric help? Let me guess the one that makes least sense (after the 648th time) and costs more?

    Remember that woman who was naked in the cells and the Garda taking selfies or what ever. Just reminded of that.

    Maybe the like of Gerry Ryan getting done might have deterred a few, including himself. The well to do can tackle it and fund it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Do you know how difficult/ almost impossible it is to access state-funded rehabilitation in this country for people with heroin addiction?

    Yeah it's hard but there's so many other things that are also underfunded.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭cannotlogin


    It's very roughly one conviction a month since she was born or one a fortnight since she turned 18!!!


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Greyfox wrote: »
    Yeah it's hard but there's so many other things that are also underfunded.
    You're right, we have limited resources and have to direct those resources to the areas of the greatest need.

    But either this is a big problem or not.

    If the current crime rate, or that which is caused by addicts, is tolerable then OK.

    If it really needs to be addressed then we might want to look at the pitifully weak resources we contribute to rehabilitation, to the point that getting clean is currently a fantasy for almost everyone.


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