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Woman rakes up 648 convictions

  • 15-07-2019 7:15am
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    Registered Users Posts: 3,916 ✭✭✭


    indo wrote:
    Serial thief Jennifer Armstrong (44), who has one of the longest criminal records ever seen in this country, was arrested for shoplifting wine just two days after she was released from a 16-month prison sentence.

    Among her staggering litany of past offences, described as an Irish "record", Armstrong has been convicted for assault and stealing from and harassing the public around Dublin city centre.
    Judge Carol Anne Coolican spared her jail for her latest offence, giving her a one-month suspended sentence after Armstrong begged for "one last chance".

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/serial-thief-handed-one-last-chance-as-she-walks-free-after-648th-conviction-38312544.html

    Clearly this person will never change and she will just continue to steal, assault and be a burden to us the taxpayers.

    The only solution for people like this is a long sentence to the central mental health hospital with/or psychiatric drugs to inhibit their behaviors or a lobotomy.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,489 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The only solution for people like this is a long sentence to the central mental health hospital with/or psychiatric drugs to inhibit their behaviors or a lobotomy.

    She's not going to change, because she doesn't want to change.

    Why suggest wasting the limited resources of mental health services in a B Movie film plot just because she is happy to be in and out of jail.

    She'll continue to plead for leniency when caught, but doesn't care if she gets it or not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    You can be sure she has already offended since this court case was dealt with, to some committing crime is an occupation.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Absolute piece of s**t, she should have a long sentence by now.

    Don't worry some fruitcake will be on here soon saying its better to give her one more chance.

    And some people think we dont have a lenient legal system :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,277 ✭✭✭Your Face


    Jaysus, she's 44?!
    Looks like one of Macbeth's crones.

    Sorry that was a bit rash, I meant, of course, The Scottish Play.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭gifted


    10 convictions should automatically warrant a 10 year jail sentence


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    She's 44 she looks in her late 60s....

    Hard work that robbing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    Needs a bit of lateral thinking - how about a system of assisted emigration, a deal with say Putin to take in recidivists and settle them in Siberia!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,817 ✭✭✭dodzy


    Jasus, she’s some hound.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    Another suspended sentence - she's obviously well-connected, comes from a good family, posh or upper class.


  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Get Real


    Some of my point here is whataboutery I'll concede- but if this woman was in Texas, theresr a good chance she'd be doing a life sentence. Their three strikes law is particularly harsh and can include simple theft.

    I understand those who make an argument regarding rehabilitation over punishment. But a happy medium needs to be found in this country.

    Surely something warrants a ten year sentence automatically. What do people class as "fair"? 50 convictions?

    The fact she's committed 648 crimes- or rather convicted of that amount and probably done many more that she wasn't caught for- is an absolute kick to the victims, the guards, the retail community.

    In theory, a six month sentence per offence, would mean 320 years. She'd be locked up long ago.

    She commits offences while already being out in bail for others she has before the court.

    Each and every time she appears has to be taken on it's merits, and her past offending cannot be used to presume she is guilty this time around, as she still has the same presumption if innocence as anyone else.

    I think at some point, if we don't have a ten years for 50 convictions, then at the very least, legislation should allow for anyone with over 50 convictions to be automatically denied bail while their current case is being dealt with. They should still have a "presumption of innocence" with regard to the case and it's technical points. But they should lose their right to bail as a consequence of 50 confirmed crimes in the past.

    At what point do the rights of victims and the rights of criminals find a balanced medium? Because at the moment, in court, it's all about the offender.


  • Registered Users Posts: 614 ✭✭✭notsoyoungwan


    Why do you think she needs psychiatric treatment rather than prison? While she has the almost obligatory sob story background trotted out by defence solicitors, there’s nothing to suggest serious mental illness. The picture is one of recidivistic criminal behaviour with no care for the consequences.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,847 ✭✭✭py2006


    If she was a man...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    Why do you think she needs psychiatric treatment rather than prison? While she has the almost obligatory sob story background trotted out by defence solicitors, there’s nothing to suggest serious mental illness. The picture is one of recidivistic criminal behaviour with no care for the consequences.

    The solicitor who defended her last month could be representing the state against her next year.

    Its absolutely bonkers the system lol


  • Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Guys, prison doesn't work, they tried prison in america and there's still crime over there. this poor woman clearly suffers from a Difficult home life, Substance abuse issues, Learning difficulties, Having a "bad time of it", she probably has a letter from a social worker saying that she swears she'll turn things around..... THIS time! so lay off the poor woman. No-one is perfect I'm sure you're all no angles, stop being busy bodies and worrying about other people stick to your own lives ok?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    py2006 wrote: »
    If she was a man...
    It's like a default reaction - no thinking, just shoot.

    I think you'll find that there are plenty of men with a massive string of convictions behind them walking the streets, but why bother with the truth when there's a battle of the sexes to be had?!


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,847 ✭✭✭py2006


    El_Bee wrote: »
    THIS time! so lay off the poor woman. No-one is perfect I'm sure you're all no angles, stop being busy bodies and worrying about other people stick to your own lives ok?

    Yea, but we are right angles...


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Turner wrote: »
    ...

    Wouldnt make financial sense to the legal profession to lock her up.

    It certainly would make sense to the retail community!

    This country isn't run for ordinary people. It never was and never will be, whatever colour flag they fly over their big buildings. The system is broadly the same.

    But of course that is just me being a populist. I should probably just know my station.


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    Greyfox wrote: »
    Absolute piece of s**t, she should have a long sentence by now.

    Don't worry some fruitcake will be on here soon saying its better to give her one more chance.

    And some people think we dont have a lenient legal system :confused:
    Nice Language..... How about checking with the people who served time behind bars for stupid stuff like non payment of fines before praising our "lenient" legal system BTW is it normal now for people to call others they don't even know "a piece of s1ht" Heaven help society......


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,801 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    At what point does criminality and recidivism segue into mental illness? And this is not an appeal or an excuse to 'let her off'; she is a liability to shopkeepers, the justice system, the gardai, and herself. There has to come a time when she should be removed to a controlled situation and some attempt made to figure out what is happening in her head that she continues to steal - an activity she is clearly not very good at judging by the number of times she has been caught.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,593 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    In certain countries she wouldn't have any hands by now, in Ireland its 649 strikes and you're out.

    I can't help feeling that we need a happy medium.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    gifted wrote: »
    10 convictions should automatically warrant a 10 year jail sentence
    Get Real wrote: »
    Some of my point here is whataboutery I'll concede- but if this woman was in Texas, theresr a good chance she'd be doing a life sentence. Their three strikes law is particularly harsh and can include simple theft.

    I understand those who make an argument regarding rehabilitation over punishment. But a happy medium needs to be found in this country.

    Surely something warrants a ten year sentence automatically. What do people class as "fair"? 50 convictions?

    Are people in the "lock 'em up brigade" willing to pay higher direct income taxes to lock people like the offender up for life/10 years? It costs money to put people in prison and yet the lock 'em up brigade want lower taxes, you can't have both!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Are people in the "lock 'em up brigade" willing to pay higher direct income taxes to lock people like the offender up for life/10 years? It costs money to put people in prison and yet the lock 'em up brigade want lower taxes, you can't have both!


    Do people who advocate for higher taxes want to see this additional revenue used for keeping criminals in prison?


  • Registered Users Posts: 224 ✭✭patmahe


    The thing is, this is the number of times she was caught and convicted, what about all the times she wasn't caught?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,569 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Spent 27 years in jail already according to the Herald. 88 convictions for theft and 200 for public intoxication. Alcoholic with history of substance abuse.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 343 ✭✭Wtf ?


    dodzy wrote: »
    Jasus, she’s some hound.

    The tide would'nt take her out....:D


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Spent 27 years in jail already according to the Herald. 88 convictions for theft and 200 for public intoxication. Alcoholic with history of substance abuse.

    Weird, that would mean she's been in the entire time since she was 17. Must work quick to get caught again each time.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭D3V!L


    Does she get a letter from Micky D when she reaches 1000 ?


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