High protein LOW carb.. HELP

Disko biscuits · 09-12-2011 11:12pm #1

Could someone please tell me what foods would be good for this diet..
tryin to cut the fat and gain muscle..

Thanks

mbiking123 · 10-12-2011 12:02am

What exactly do you want to achieve? Are you a bodybuilder ?

Disko biscuits · 10-12-2011 12:12am

mbiking123 wrote: »

What exactly do you want to achieve? Are you a bodybuilder ?

No, was told this is the best way to get the results I want which is to lose some body fat and gain more muscle

mbiking123 · 10-12-2011 12:22am

protein is good for muscle repair after excerise, but you need carbs for energy

Sounds like you want to go on the atkins diet, which have been proven not to work. You loose muscle mass not fat.

To loose weight very simple, get moderate excerise. Eat whatever you want before 6pm and no food after that. Start there and you will find you will slowly eat less and less. After some time then improve diet before 6pm. Drink plenty of liquids after 6pm to make you feel your stomack is full.

Eating biscuits late at night etc are a no no

Keep away from beer etc as high in sugar

El Tarangu · 10-12-2011 12:55am

This chap taught me loads:
http://www.youtube.com/user/scooby1961

Some of the meals that he suggests are a bit spartan, but basically he recommends reducing calorie consumption and easing yourself into an exercise programme.

danlen · 10-12-2011 2:40am

mbiking123 wrote: »

protein is good for muscle repair after excerise, but you need carbs for energy

Sounds like you want to go on the atkins diet, which have been proven not to work. You loose muscle mass not fat.

Incorrect.

mbiking123 wrote: »

To loose weight very simple, get moderate excerise. Eat whatever you want before 6pm and no food after that. Start there and you will find you will slowly eat less and less. After some time then improve diet before 6pm. Drink plenty of liquids after 6pm to make you feel your stomack is full.

Not necessary really.

OP, if you want to go low carb good food options include quality meat, salmon, nuts, veg, eggs, etc. If you are going to go low-carb, up your fat intake for energy.

mbiking123 · 11-12-2011 1:11am

Well documented

Dr. Robert Atkins, creator of the high-protein, low-carbohydrate Atkins Diet

Dr. Atkins, when he died, weighed 258 pounds. He was 6 foot tall. With these figures he would be classified as obese.

Atkins diet dont work

danlen · 11-12-2011 3:18am

mbiking123 wrote: »

Well documented

Dr. Robert Atkins, creator of the high-protein, low-carbohydrate Atkins Diet

Dr. Atkins, when he died, weighed 258 pounds. He was 6 foot tall. With these figures he would be classified as obese.

Atkins diet dont work

How does that prove the atkins diet doesnt work for fat loss?? Try use some actual science.

Orla K · 11-12-2011 3:00pm

mbiking123 wrote: »

Well documented

Dr. Robert Atkins, creator of the high-protein, low-carbohydrate Atkins Diet

Dr. Atkins, when he died, weighed 258 pounds. He was 6 foot tall. With these figures he would be classified as obese.

Atkins diet dont work

Also didn't he retain alot of fluid when he was unconscious, that his weight being admitted was completely different to his postmortum weight.

I'm not a huge fan of atkins but I wouldn't knock it for that reason.

El_Dangeroso · 11-12-2011 3:23pm

OP buy a good book, there's more to low carb than eschewing bread and potatoes.

I like the Perfect Health diet, as it allows some carbs to keep a lot of variety in the diet and doesn't encourage eating a lot of vegetable oil like atkins though I don't take all the supplements they recommend as it would involve swallowing about 20 pills a day.

Laisurg · 11-12-2011 3:26pm

Things like fish, chicken and turkey (actual meat that you cook yourself none of that processed crap) With brown rice and whole wheat pasta for your carbs. If you're still finding it hard to get your required amount of protein while keeping your carbs/calories low enough to lose weight then you could look into protein shakes.

Disko biscuits · 11-12-2011 8:10pm

Laisurg wrote: »

Things like fish, chicken and turkey (actual meat that you cook yourself none of that processed crap) With brown rice and whole wheat pasta for your carbs. If you're still finding it hard to get your required amount of protein while keeping your carbs/calories low enough to lose weight then you could look into protein shakes.

Yep im on the protein shakes m8

eqwjewoiujqorj · 11-12-2011 8:31pm

The dukan diet is another high protein diet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukan_Diet recipes http://mydukandiet.com/

EdoErgoSum · 11-12-2011 8:57pm

eqwjewoiujqorj wrote: »

The dukan diet is another high protein diet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukan_Diet recipes http://mydukandiet.com/

Dukan works only if you are really overweight, and it works because it is low carb not high protein.
The only problem with this diet is that is low in fat, which is bad...

mbiking123 · 11-12-2011 9:27pm

danlen does that prove the atkins diet doesnt work for fat loss?? Try use some actual science.

It did not work for him and he invented it and wrote a book about it. How can it work

Orla K Also didn't he retain alot of fluid when he was unconscious, that his weight being admitted was completely different to his postmortum weight.

He was 258 pounds when he died, or 117 kgs. Sorry but that excuse cannot explain that amount of weight. If he lost 18 kgs (almost 40 pounds)that would just about make him overweight at 29 BMI. He was way off being proper weight. IN fact his BMI of 34.99 he was nearly in obese class 2.

To loose weight needs life changes, not silly diets. Hence why I said avoid eating late at night. Small changes over time, that way you loose weight nice and slow and keep it off as opposed to some hype diet that dont work. A big change is too hard for people to sustain, thats why little changes is best. When you are easily able to avoid snacking late in evening, then make another small change to your lifestyle. Its all about a lifestyle change

El_Dangeroso · 11-12-2011 9:40pm

mbiking123 wrote: »

It did not work for him and he invented it and wrote a book about it. How can it work

He was 258 pounds when he died, or 117 kgs. Sorry but that excuse cannot explain that amount of weight. If he lost 18 kgs (almost 40 pounds)that would just about make him overweight at 29 BMI. He was way off being proper weight. IN fact his BMI of 34.99 he was nearly in obese class 2.

To loose weight needs life changes, not silly diets. Hence why I said avoid eating late at night. Small changes over time, that way you loose weight nice and slow and keep it off as opposed to some hype diet that dont work. A big change is too hard for people to sustain, thats why little changes is best. When you are easily able to avoid snacking late in evening, then make another small change to your lifestyle. Its all about a lifestyle change

Ehh, he gained 60lb from edema while lying in a coma for two weeks, this is in his medical notes that were released by the family, but ignore that.

And of course ignore the hundreds of studies that show that low carb is a highly effective and safe method of losing weight, or the fact that people who make drastic changes to their lifestyle are actually more likely to keep the weight off long term, or the fact that lots of people on here have lost weight with low carb and kept it off, in some cases for years and years.

I'm sure you know better.:rolleyes:

Bottle_of_Smoke · 11-12-2011 9:49pm

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Ehh, he gained 60lb from edema while lying in a coma for two weeks, this is in his medical notes that were released by the family, but ignore that.

And of course ignore the hundreds of studies that show that low carb is a highly effective and safe method of losing weight, or the fact that people who make drastic changes to their lifestyle are actually more likely to keep the weight off long term, or the fact that lots of people on here have lost weight with low carb and kept it off, in some cases for years and years.

I'm sure you know better.:rolleyes:

Its painfully annoying that myth has stuck. Right up there with the claims evolution is bullsh*t because Darwin became a born again Christian on his deathbed.

mbiking123 · 11-12-2011 9:50pm

I would advice some of the people here to talk to a dietitian

El_Dangeroso · 11-12-2011 9:52pm

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Its painfully annoying that myth has stuck. Right up there with the claims evolution is bullsh*t because Darwin became a born again Christian on his deathbed.

More annoying again considering that the myth is busted on the first page of google.

Disko biscuits · 11-12-2011 11:10pm

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Its painfully annoying that myth has stuck. Right up there with the claims evolution is bullsh*t because Darwin became a born again Christian on his deathbed.

Didn Darwins sister claim that he never became a born again christian?

mbiking123 · 11-12-2011 11:12pm

NARRATOR: For two weeks one of the twins was put on the high fat, high protein Atkins diet. While the other was put on the conventional low fat diet. They were then locked inside this sealed chamber. By measuring how much oxygen they breathed in and out the computers could calculate how quickly their bodies were burning fuel. The hope was that this would begin to answer whether more calories are worked off on the Atkins diet by breaking down fats and proteins. Donnelly also tested Dr Atkins’s theory of calories lost as ketones down the toilet. The twins had to donate their bodily fluids for the duration of their internment.

Prof JOSEPH DONNELLY: We’ve collected a litre and a half of urine at each collection period. They’ll be analysed for urinary ketones and then we will know how many calories are lost in the urine. NARRATOR: If Dr Atkins’s theories were right the twin on the Atkins diet should be losing significantly more calories than the twin on low fat. In the morning the twins were released and the results were in. To prove you burn off significantly more calories breaking down the Atkins diet researchers expected the twin on Atkins to have lost at least a hundred calories more than the twin on low fat. And the Atkins dieter did lose some more calories this way, but a total of just twenty two.

Prof JOSEPH DONNELLY: Twenty two calories is too small to suggest that there really is anything going on.

NARRATOR: In other words burning fats and proteins appeared to take up hardly any more energy than burning carbohydrates. It seemed Dr Atkins’s theory that you lose calories when breaking down his diet might be wrong. Next the researchers looked to see whether any calories were lost as ketones in the urine. The twin on the Atkins diet had lost less than a single calorie more than his brother on low fat.

Prof JOSEPH DONNELLY: This is not enough to suggest that this particular demonstration showed a difference.

NARRATOR: It seemed being in ketosis made barely any difference at all. Again Dr Atkins’s theory appeared to be wrong. This came as little surprise to Donnelly.

As requested medical fact as described/reported on Horizon BBC
http://forum.lowcarber.org/archive/index.php/t-161764.html

Yes his family denied that Dr Atkins was obese, but then again with little information cant prove one way or the other. If he put on 60 pounds as the family suggested while in a coma then he was overweight before he had the accident 198 pounds for 6ft man 26.85 BMI

El_Dangeroso · 11-12-2011 11:34pm

mbiking123 wrote: »

As requested medical fact as described/reported on Horizon BBC
http://forum.lowcarber.org/archive/index.php/t-161764.html

Yes his family denied that Dr Atkins was obese, but then again with little information cant prove one way or the other. If he put on 60 pounds as the family suggested while in a coma then he was overweight before he had the accident 198 pounds for 6ft man 26.85 BMI

Nice grasping at straws there, no one here was claiming a metabolic advantage, low carb diets work by massively reducing hunger, people report eating much much less and not being hungry.

So now you're suggesting the official medical records are wrong, what proof do you have of this? Actually don't bother, you've proved several times you don't know what you're talking about.

mbiking123 · 11-12-2011 11:54pm

El_Dangeroso Nice grasping at straws there, no one here was claiming a metabolic advantage, low carb diets work by massively reducing hunger, people report eating much much less and not being hungry.

So now you're suggesting the official medical records are wrong, what proof do you have of this? Actually don't bother, you've proved several times you don't know what you're talking about.

no straws just facts, what exactly am I suggesting then again you are proving you dont like the facts with your tone

El_Dangeroso · 11-12-2011 11:55pm

mbiking123 wrote: »

no straws just facts, what exactly am I suggesting then again you are proving you dont like the facts with your tone

What facts would these be?

mbiking123 · 12-12-2011 12:01am

El_Dangeroso you've proved several times you don't know what you're talking about.

What have I proved, oh the medical facts as discuused on Horizon BBC or Dr Atkins BMI at time of death or before accident. One proves he was overweight at time of accident (his wife gave this information)the other shows he was obese when he died - cant dispute the facts

El_Dangeroso · 12-12-2011 12:05am

mbiking123 wrote: »

What have I proved, oh the medical facts as discuused on Horizon BBC or Dr Atkins BMI at time of death or before accident. One proves he was overweight at time of accident (his wife gave this information)the other shows he was obese when he died - cant dispute the facts

Yeah, lets go chastise all the coma patients for getting fat from edema, lazy buggers, they should learn to watch their calorie intake.

mbiking123 · 12-12-2011 12:10am

Why not stick to the facts that the atkins diet did not work for Dr Atkins cause whatever way you want to look at it he was overweight before the accident. Cant blame edema, blame his diet it dont work

A person needs a proper balanced diet, doctors hve concerns of the long term effects of a person being on this type of diet

'you've proved several times you don't know what you're talking about.'

Bottle_of_Smoke · 12-12-2011 12:18am

mbiking123 wrote: »

Why not stick to the facts that the atkins diet did not work for Dr Atkins cause whatever way you want to look at it he was overweight before the accident. Cant blame edema, blame his diet it dont work

A person needs a proper balanced diet, doctors hve concerns of the long term effects of a person being on this type of diet

'you've proved several times you don't know what you're talking about.'

Right - just to play along with your argument.

Can you prove he actually followed the diet he wrote about?

If you can - its a sample of one person so not very meaningful. Whereas there are peer reviewed studies showing the benefits of low carb diets.

Similarly - even if Darwin did denounce evolution on his deathbed - it wouldn't matter a toss because his scientific research showed it was true

mbiking123 · 12-12-2011 12:34am

Bottle_of_Smoke Right - just to play along with your argument.

Can you prove he actually followed the diet he wrote about?

If you can - its a sample of one person so not very meaningful. Whereas there are peer reviewed studies showing the benefits of low calorie diets.

Similarly - even if Darwin did denounce evolution on his deathbed - it wouldn't matter a toss because his scientific research showed it was true

If he did not follow his own diet, why does it prove that he himself did not believe in it . In any case I dont know one way or the other, but this is a question you need to answer for yourself if you believe in his diet.

It is not a low calorie diet, it is a high protein diet and reducing carbs. So bananas are out, fiber is out which can have health problems long term. etc etc as per the link to BBC report

I never brought up Darwin and if you believe 100% in him or not that is a seperate discussion. Go to http://www.vliz.be/docs/Zeecijfers/Origin_of_Species.pdf and go to chapter 5 about sex and age, you may not feel so strong with his views-in any case a different argument

Bottle_of_Smoke · 12-12-2011 1:09am

mbiking123 wrote: »

If he did not follow his own diet, why does it prove that he himself did not believe in it . In any case I dont know one way or the other, but this is a question you need to answer for yourself if you believe in his diet.

I believe in the diet because scientific studies and personal experience have shown me it works. I also know a bit about human physiology and its interaction with carbs versus protein or fat. What Dr Atkins ate or died from are irrelevant to my position on the diet he put forward.

It is not a low calorie diet, it is a high protein diet and reducing carbs. So bananas are out, fiber is out which can have health problems long term. etc etc as per the link to BBC report

That was a mistake. I meant to say low carb

Thomas Magnum · 12-12-2011 1:17am

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

I believe in the diet because scientific studies and personal experience have shown me it works.

What scientific studies show that the Atkins diet works? And please define "works". I don't know how anybody could follow a diet that is so nutrient deficient that it's creator had to sell and recommend multiple vitamin supplements in order to get adequate nutrition.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 12-12-2011 1:53am

Its only restrictive in the first 2 weeks. Are you one of the people who thinks you stay on 20g of carb per day for life? Sorry to disappoint.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002934302011294

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022347602402065

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa022207

These are three studies from the first page of google scholar results for "low carbohydrate diets"

They show weight loss and two of them improved HDL status compared to low fat diets.

The one from the American Journal of Medicine is a "very low carbohydrate diet" which I guess would be similar to atkins. That resulted in significant decrease in LDL/ significant increase in HDL as well as sustained weight loss over 6 months.

The validity of low carb diets is not in doubt like.

Thomas Magnum · 12-12-2011 2:04am

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Its only restrictive in the first 2 weeks. Are you one of the people who thinks you stay on 20g of carb per day for life? Sorry to disappoint.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002934302011294

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022347602402065

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa022207

These are three studies from the first page of google scholar results for "low carbohydrate diets"

They show weight loss and two of them improved HDL status compared to low fat diets.

The one from the American Journal of Medicine is a "very low carbohydrate diet" which I guess would be similar to atkins. That resulted in significant decrease in LDL/ significant increase in HDL as well as sustained weight loss over 6 months.

The validity of low carb diets is not in doubt like.

Just skimmed those studies and as I suspected they are all short-term studies and the participants were given vitamin supplements as well. Weightloss is known to cause an initial lowering of LDL and if people are restricting calories, whether intentional or not, then they will lose weight. However whats going on under the hood may not be so great. Do you have any long-term studies to show me? I suspect not.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 12-12-2011 4:01am

Thomas Magnum wrote: »

Just skimmed those studies and as I suspected they are all short-term studies and the participants were given vitamin supplements as well. Weightloss is known to cause an initial lowering of LDL and if people are restricting calories, whether intentional or not, then they will lose weight. However whats going on under the hood may not be so great. Do you have any long-term studies to show me? I suspect not.

Well how long is long term? The problem is people on these diets don't exist in one country as a big group so its difficult to do a long term observational study. Though as we all know obesity levels started getting really bad around the same time fat got really demonised over increasing cholesterol in the eighties.

I found one that claims to be investigating a long term effect but its actually only 4 months - less than the one above. it compared low carb vs low fat. Similar (good) results in both.

The reason I have more time for low carb is its much tastier. I suspect its healthier myself for the effect of carbs on blood sugars too.

However whats going on under the hood may not be so great.

I think this statement is a bit sneaky. In that there isn't evidence that "whats going on under the hood may not be so great" So I don't see why we should assume low fat is better than low carb.

The other thing is grains/vegetable oils. Came into human diet very late into our history. Grains pretty essential for low fat diets. not required at all for low carb diets. So as above I think its unfair to assume low carb is likely to be bad.

EdoErgoSum · 12-12-2011 6:24am

Thomas Magnum wrote: »

Just skimmed those studies and as I suspected they are all short-term studies and the participants were given vitamin supplements as well. Weightloss is known to cause an initial lowering of LDL and if people are restricting calories, whether intentional or not, then they will lose weight. However whats going on under the hood may not be so great. Do you have any long-term studies to show me? I suspect not.

is 12 m. enough??

http://med.stanford.edu/news_releases/2007/march/diet.html

Jumpy · 12-12-2011 8:23am

mbiking123 wrote: »

Well documented

Dr. Robert Atkins, creator of the high-protein, low-carbohydrate Atkins Diet

Dr. Atkins, when he died, weighed 258 pounds. He was 6 foot tall. With these figures he would be classified as obese.

Atkins diet dont work

*facepalm*

Even if that urban legend were true. My doctor smokes, he is also quite chubby.

Do you think the ****ing Chairman of the Board of KFC eats nothing but chicken?

People who develop scientific method or a legitimate business do not automatically follow the path of said method or business.

Ronald McDonald said this in an interview once.*

*true story.

RobAMerc · 12-12-2011 11:35am

mbiking123 wrote: »

Well documented

Dr. Robert Atkins, creator of the high-protein, low-carbohydrate Atkins Diet

Dr. Atkins, when he died, weighed 258 pounds. He was 6 foot tall. With these figures he would be classified as obese.

Atkins diet dont work

this makes everything else you say, no matter how good your argument, have 0 credibility I'm afraid.

themoocher · 12-12-2011 1:40pm

mbiking123 wrote: »

To loose weight very simple, get moderate excerise. Eat whatever you want before 6pm and no food after that. Start there and you will find you will slowly eat less and less. After some time then improve diet before 6pm. Drink plenty of liquids after 6pm to make you feel your stomack is full.

Very bad advice, so you can eat pizzas, takeaways etc.. all day as long as its before 6pm- do moderate exercise and loose weight?????? read the nutrition stickies first and see what it is you want to achieve

mbiking123 · 12-12-2011 2:28pm

themoocher wrote: »

Very bad advice, so you can eat pizzas, takeaways etc.. all day as long as its before 6pm- do moderate exercise and loose weight?????? read the nutrition stickies first and see what it is you want to achieve

Did I say you could eat whatever junk you wanted

Come on be realistic, I said make lifestyle changes starting with avoiding eating late in evening as a start to your lifestyle change

Lifestyle change also includes a proper diet with vitamins, carbs, fibre and protein etc

Lifestyle change include regular exercise

etc etc etc, as I said before I think some people here with their views need to talk to a dietitian

mbiking123 · 12-12-2011 2:31pm

Jumpy wrote: »

*facepalm*

Even if that urban legend were true. My doctor smokes, he is also quite chubby.

Do you think the ****ing Chairman of the Board of KFC eats nothing but chicken?

People who develop scientific method or a legitimate business do not automatically follow the path of said method or business.

Ronald McDonald said this in an interview once.*

*true story.

He made a whack amount of money telling people how to avoid being overweight. So tell me what Dr Atkins BMI was ? if it is as good as some people here believe I am sure it was somewhere between 18.5 and 24.9

mbiking123 · 12-12-2011 2:33pm

RobAMerc wrote: »

this makes everything else you say, no matter how good your argument, have 0 credibility I'm afraid.

Thats your opinion and i'm sure your not really afraid to say it

mbiking123 · 12-12-2011 2:37pm

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Well how long is long term? The problem is people on these diets don't exist in one country as a big group so its difficult to do a long term observational study. Though as we all know obesity levels started getting really bad around the same time fat got really demonised over increasing cholesterol in the eighties.

I found one that claims to be investigating a long term effect but its actually only 4 months - less than the one above. it compared low carb vs low fat. Similar (good) results in both.

The reason I have more time for low carb is its much tastier. I suspect its healthier myself for the effect of carbs on blood sugars too.

I think this statement is a bit sneaky. In that there isn't evidence that "whats going on under the hood may not be so great" So I don't see why we should assume low fat is better than low carb.

The other thing is grains/vegetable oils. Came into human diet very late into our history. Grains pretty essential for low fat diets. not required at all for low carb diets. So as above I think its unfair to assume low carb is likely to be bad.

What about fibre, colon cancer problems !

themoocher · 12-12-2011 3:47pm

mbiking123 wrote: »

Did I say you could eat whatever junk you wanted

Eat whatever you want before 6pm and no food after that.

The main point was that you didn't state what to eat at all ^^^^

Unfortunately people would jump at that as everyone wants a quick easy fix and that seems so simple! Just pointing out that your advice was way too general and posting wrong advice like that can be seen and picked up on by many looking at this thread.

mbiking123 · 12-12-2011 6:06pm

themoocher wrote: »

Eat whatever you want before 6pm and no food after that.

The main point was that you didn't state what to eat at all ^^^^

Unfortunately people would jump at that as everyone wants a quick easy fix and that seems so simple! Just pointing out that your advice was way too general and posting wrong advice like that can be seen and picked up on by many looking at this thread.

No its about making small life changes

Start off by avoiding eating late in the evening ..................................................... been said already

For example I did not say 'not to snort cocaine before/after 6pm', ok for everybody out there dont snort, inject, smoke drugs.

come on be realistic. For a person who eats alot, for them to stop eating after 6pm is a big accomplishment. These life changes are over the long term. Rapid weight loss is bad for the health and cannot be sustained. Needs to be gradual

If you want to make a different life change then thats your decision, perhaps only eating red meat 3 times per week. That may be an accomplishment for you. In the end eating late will also have to be cut out. Where you want to start and end is up to you, making life changes is the way to go, and if people are ready to go mad on junk food then they need to talk to a dietitian, not get the information here

Bottle_of_Smoke · 12-12-2011 6:08pm

mbiking123 wrote: »

What about fibre, colon cancer problems !

been pretty much debunked in recent years. Inverse associations with veg and CRC continue to be shown alright - and they can be eaten on low carb diets. As well as many fruits

People seem to think the atkins diet means eating nothing but fat and protein for life. That's only the first 2 weeks. Why won't you accept that?

mbiking123 · 12-12-2011 6:12pm

Bottle_of_Smoke Why won't you accept that?

No offence but I would prefer to take the opinion of a dietitian over the opinion of somebody I dont know.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 12-12-2011 6:22pm

mbiking123 wrote: »

No offence but I would prefer to take the opinion of a dietitian over the opinion of somebody I dont know.

You don't need to be f*cking dietician to read the indisputable fact the Atkins diet is only extremely restrictive in the first 2 weeks. Then you introduce veg nuts berries/alcohol. Eventually even wholegrain carbs become acceptable

This all just proves you haven't a f*cking clue what the Atkins diet is and are just basing your opinions on tabloid journalism

SteelyDanJalapeno · 12-12-2011 6:29pm

mbiking123 wrote: »

He made a whack amount of money telling people how to avoid being overweight. So tell me what Dr Atkins BMI was ? if it is as good as some people here believe I am sure it was somewhere between 18.5 and 24.9

Man, your such a major facepalm,

Your argument is ridiculous, if i brought a book stating that if you left heavier weights you'll gain muscle, if i die today with a small amount of muscle, would my claims in the book be disregarded?

He might not of followed his diet all of his life, and as said 60lbs of the weight was fluid put on over the last 2 months,

And here we go again with the "you cant eat late at night" bullcrap

danlen · 12-12-2011 7:04pm

mbiking123 wrote: »

etc etc etc, as I said before I think some people here with their views need to talk to a dietitian

You need need to talk to a dietician about this, all you need is a basic understanding of how science works.

If someone creates a diet and they are overweight, you cannot say the diet doesn't work. The fact this one person (who may not even be following the diet strictly) is overweight tells us nothing about the effects of the diet itself.

However, if there is abundant peer-reviewed, scientific research out there proving that a low-carb diet is effective for weight-loss and health (which there is), you can say that this is the case.

If you understand the basic prinicples of scientific research, which tbh I doubt you do, then there really is no need for any consultation with a dietician on this matter. In any case, if the dietician is worth their salt and keeps on top of recent research, they will be able to verify the effectiveness and safety of low-carbohydrate nutrition.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 12-12-2011 7:10pm

danlen wrote: »

You need need to talk to a dietician about this, all you need is a basic understanding of how science works.

If someone creates a diet and they are overweight, you cannot say the diet doesn't work. The fact this one person (who may not even be following the diet strictly) is overweight tells us nothing about the effects of the diet itself.

However, if there is abundant peer-reviewed, scientific research out there proving that a low-carb diet is effective for weight-loss and health (which there is), you can say that this is the case.

If you understand the basic prinicples of scientific research, which tbh I doubt you do, then there really is no need for any consultation with a dietician on this matter. In any case, if the dietician is worth their salt and keeps on top of recent research, they will be able to verify the effectiveness and safety of low-carbohydrate nutrition.

Agreed. I think dietitians are more for stuff like diets for people with kidney disease.

To me going to a dietitian for weight loss is like going to your GP for a papercut

mbiking123 · 12-12-2011 7:25pm

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Agreed. I think dietitians are more for stuff like diets for people with kidney disease.

To me going to a dietitian for weight loss is like going to your GP for a papercut

No - incorrect includes obesity

High protein LOW carb.. HELP

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