Wesley College granted 150,000 in government grants to resurface their hockey pitch.

MilesMorales1 · 11-03-2018 1:27pm #1

https://twitter.com/Shane_RossTD/status/972174105456861185?s=09

I'm sure a fee paying school needed that grant. What with their establishment of

4 Rugby pitches
1 floodlit Rugby grid
1 Soccer pitch
2 full size Hockey astro-turf pitches
2 mini Hockey pitches
2 full size Hockey grit pitches
16 Tennis courts during the Summer season
2 Cricket pitches
2 outdoor Basketball courts
1 gymnasium
1 sports hall

Poor mites.

Jimbob1977 · 11-03-2018 1:30pm

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Shane_RossTD/status/972174105456861185?s=09

I'm sure a fee paying school needed that grant. What with their establishment of

4 Rugby pitches
1 floodlit Rugby grid
1 Soccer pitch
2 full size Hockey astro-turf pitches
2 mini Hockey pitches
2 full size Hockey grit pitches
16 Tennis courts during the Summer season
2 Cricket pitches
2 outdoor Basketball courts
1 gymnasium
1 sports hall

Poor mites.

If they're eligible, they're eligible.

Gatling · 11-03-2018 1:30pm

Ohhh feel the fauxrage ,

They got a grant along with any other number of clubs and schools that also applied ,
Just under 40 million in grants were handed out

Are Am Eye · 11-03-2018 1:34pm

I don't think the whole 150k will be spent on the new hockey pitch.
There was also talk of buying coal for the staff room fire as stocks of cash bundles are low.

Harry Palmr · 11-03-2018 1:39pm

Where do you think the next generation of rugger buggers are going to come from if the state does not invest in private school sport facilities ?

MilesMorales1 · 11-03-2018 1:42pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Where do you think the next generation of rugger buggers are going to come from if the state does not invest in private school sport facilities ?

Yes I suppose we need them for handbag at dawn slap fights like the one we got the video of a little while ago.

Richard Hillman · 11-03-2018 1:45pm

The pitches can be rented out for the likes of Football, Tag Rugby and yes, even Hockey. A big income puller for schools. My old school has an astro pitch that gets upgraded every few years. It's a business, everyone needing to upgrade facilities to stay competitive against the other pitches.

I think my old schools pitch is about €70 an hour and used probably 4 hours a night. Probably pulls in about 1k a week, likely tax free. Only expenses are electricity and one staff member to take the payment's.

Schwanz · 11-03-2018 1:54pm

I'm sure 150,000 would have fed a clothed a lot of homeless.

11-03-2018 1:56pm

Yet more corporate welfare; great to see our taxes being handed to private businesses to enhance their value rather than invested in publicly owned schools.

What a really bad joke is the fact that only c. 15% of all Irish schools are owned by the Irish state but our taxes are used to perpetuate the existing private businesses which own our schools (most of the 85% of schools that are privately owned are not fee-charging, even though people wrongly equate fee-charging schools with private schools).

Mantis Toboggan · 11-03-2018 1:56pm

Shane Ross is some pleb.

Your Face · 11-03-2018 1:58pm

Good for them.

super_furry · 11-03-2018 1:58pm

Good man Shane Ross, the South County Dublin Healy-Rae.

Gatling · 11-03-2018 1:59pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yet more corporate welfare; great to see our taxes

Key words Our Taxes

, Their taxes , everyones taxes

They likely pay more into tax pot than most others ,

suicide_circus · 11-03-2018 2:01pm

Some tax money going back to the middle classes from whence the lions share of tax comes from. Oh the humanity!

elefant · 11-03-2018 2:03pm

I'm usually far from the madding crowd of Facebook bleaters reducing everything to 'what about the homeless?', but this does seem a very unnecessary allocation of quite a decent sum to benefit the private interests of a school that already has some of the best facilities in the country.

Of course each school is as entitled as the next to apply for a grant, and I've no qualms with private schools getting some state support, but you'd have to question how this case could be seen as a priority for funding of facilities.

Have they an influential politician in their constituency?

Del2005 · 11-03-2018 2:07pm

elefant wrote: »

I'm usually far from the madding crowd of Facebook bleaters reducing everything to 'what about the homeless?', but this does seem a very unnecessary allocation of quite a decent sum to benefit the private interests of a school that already has some of the best facilities in the country.

The government has different allocations for different activities. This isn't coming out of the housing budget or the health budget.

People complaining about this should be more outraged by the waste in the health and housing departments, which are both massive compared to the €40m given to numerous schools across the country.

Squatter · 11-03-2018 2:07pm

Schwanz wrote: »

I'm sure 150,000 would have fed a clothed a lot of homeless.

Are there many naked homeless people living in your area?

Photographic evidence required, please.

elefant · 11-03-2018 2:11pm

Del2005 wrote: »

The government has different allocations for different activities. This isn't coming out of the housing budget or the health budget.

People complaining about this should be more outraged by the waste in the health and housing departments, which are both massive compared to the €40m given to numerous schools across the country.

I didn't say anything about the housing or health budget.

Greybottle · 11-03-2018 2:51pm

Loreto Beaufort got €150,000 for a new surface for it's hockey pitch. https://twitter.com/Shane_RossTD/status/972180201257013248
Three Rock Rovers got €150,000 for a new surface for it's hockey pitch. https://twitter.com/Shane_RossTD/status/972176193851133952
Wesley got €150,000 for a new surface for it's hockey pitch. https://twitter.com/Shane_RossTD/status/972174105456861185

Less than 2.4 miles to walk past the three of them.
All in the constituency of the Minister for Sport.

I expect an Olympic medal in Paris 2024.

The whole thing stinks to high heaven.

Ulysses Gaze · 11-03-2018 2:56pm

OP

How much money did the Grab All Association get from the Government to upgrade Pairc Ui Chaoimh? €30 million.

€150,000 is chump change.

wakka12 · 11-03-2018 2:59pm

Improved sports facilities for children.. Theres worse things we could be spending money on

Im just surprised it costs that much to resurface a hockey pitch. That seems insanely expensive.

11-03-2018 3:01pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

OP

How much money did the Grab All Association get from the Government to upgrade Pairc Ui Chaoimh?

Oh, edgy and so original.

The Backwards Man · 11-03-2018 3:04pm

Damn proddy sports taking our GAA money! Whenever I see a wain with a hockey bat or a shuttlecock I can visibly see a part of Ireland dying before my eyes. They should all be banished.

Your Face · 11-03-2018 3:07pm

Let's be honest, this isnt about the money.

11-03-2018 3:08pm

Gatling wrote: »

Key words Our Taxes

, Their taxes , everyones taxes

They likely pay more into tax pot than most others ,

This is the equivalent of demanding that the government should subsidise Mercedes drivers along with a public bus service "because it's likely* the Merc driver pays more taxes". State money should only be spent on a state-owned school system.

* It's likely the Merc driver is, unlike people on lower incomes, also availing of a slew of tax avoidance schemes to reduce the percentage of his income that goes on tax.

Trigger Happy · 11-03-2018 3:09pm

Greybottle wrote: »

Less than 2.4 miles to walk past the three of them.

One is a boys school, one is a girls school and one is a private hockey club. And all are well used, not sitting idle.
Should they share toilets too?

Ajsoprano · 11-03-2018 3:18pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

One is a boys school, one is a girls school and one is a private hockey club. And all are well used, not sitting idle.
Should they share toilets too?

I’m only half reading this thread deciding whether I should be angry or not.

Are you suggesting boys and girls sharing hockey facilities is akin to sharing a toilet?

Berserker · 11-03-2018 3:33pm

More power to Shane Ross for providing this funding. Those pitches will be valued and used by the current crop of students and many more in years to come. Played hockey on their pitches on many occasions myself. The general public will get use of them also.

Gatling · 11-03-2018 3:39pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is the equivalent of demanding that the government should subsidise Mercedes drivers along with a public bus service "because it's likely* the Merc driver pays more taxes". State money should only be spent on a state-owned school system.

* It's likely the Merc driver is, unlike people on lower incomes, also availing of a slew of tax avoidance schemes to reduce the percentage of his income that goes on tax.

Not it's more simple they were simply entitled like all the following in Dublin.
The below are just for Dublin ,
GAA , local football ,pitches ,
Lawn mowers at 20+000 plus to name but a few

Trigger Happy · 11-03-2018 3:51pm

Ajsoprano wrote: »

I’m only half reading this thread deciding whether I should be angry or not.

Are you suggesting boys and girls sharing hockey facilities is akin to sharing a toilet?

No, I am suggesting that just because three utilities are close to each other and are well used is not a reason to deny one or any of them funding.

Ajsoprano · 11-03-2018 3:53pm

The national yacht club got 150 000 to increase women and children participation?

super_furry · 11-03-2018 3:57pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

One is a boys school, one is a girls school and one is a private hockey club. And all are well used, not sitting idle.
Should they share toilets too?

They do in Tallaght. St Mark's Community School and Glenanne Hockey club share a hockey pitch.

markodaly · 11-03-2018 4:01pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh, edgy and so original.

It is true though. The richest sporting organisation in the country is the GAA, yet they get huge money from both the National Lottery and government.

The only reason this is making headlines is because money is spent on the middle class.

Gatling · 11-03-2018 4:02pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is the equivalent of demanding that the government should subsidise Mercedes drivers along with a public bus service "because it's likely* the Merc driver pays more taxes". State money should only be spent on a state-owned school system.

* It's likely the Merc driver is, unlike people on lower incomes, also availing of a slew of tax avoidance schemes to reduce the percentage of his income that goes on tax.

This part of the allocation for Dublin

tuisginideach · 11-03-2018 4:02pm

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Yes I suppose we need them for handbag at dawn slap fights like the one we got the video of a little while ago.

I have no affiliation to any rugby school but you can be 100% sure that Wesley College was NOT one of the schools involved in those rugby match fights. I think that is very unfair of you to suggest that.

markodaly · 11-03-2018 4:07pm

Gatling wrote: »

Not it's more simple they were simply entitled like all the following in Dublin.
The below are just for Dublin ,
GAA , local football ,pitches ,
Lawn mowers at 20+000 plus to name but a few

Yeap, lots of money there going to GAA clubs.

Personally fair play to anyone who gets money, I do not really care. It is good to invest in sporting facilities no matter who the 'class' of the people are or what sport it is.

What gets me, is the hypocrisy of the whole thing. Make a big stink about this, yet stay silent about more money going elsewhere.

Then again, the boards.ie resident Irish Tommy Robinson is probably angry this is going towards a Methodist School.

flas · 11-03-2018 4:34pm

markodaly wrote: »

It is true though. The richest sporting organisation in the country is the GAA, yet they get huge money from both the National Lottery and government.

The only reason this is making headlines is because money is spent on the middle class.

Thats not the reason people are calling it out, its because its a fee paying school, which, in my opinion should get no government money what so ever. If you want to send your kids to a fee paying school then you should have to pay for it fully, not have it subsided by government money, which irish fee paying schools are, which is outrageous. Nothing wrong with fee paying schools,once the parents actually pay for it, the whole lot of it, if they can afford that more power to them.

suicide_circus · 11-03-2018 4:46pm

flas wrote: »

Thats not the reason people are calling it out, its because its a fee paying school, which, in my opinion should get no government money what so ever. If you want to send your kids to a fee paying school then you should have to pay for it fully, not have it subsided by government money, which irish fee paying schools are, which is outrageous. Nothing wrong with fee paying schools,once the parents actually pay for it, the whole lot of it, if they can afford that more power to them.

The parents who pay those fees pay an absolute fortune in PRSI, LPT, DIRT, capital gains, corporation tax. Why shouldn't they see a little of it back for their kids school facilities?

Berserker · 11-03-2018 4:46pm

flas wrote: »

Thats not the reason people are calling it out, its because its a fee paying school, which, in my opinion should get no government money what so ever. If you want to send your kids to a fee paying school then you should have to pay for it fully, not have it subsided by government money, which irish fee paying schools are, which is outrageous. Nothing wrong with fee paying schools,once the parents actually pay for it, the whole lot of it, if they can afford that more power to them.

You do know that private schools save the government money, don't you? Secondly, I believe that the government should treat all children equally, irrespective of their background, don't you?

tuisginideach · 11-03-2018 4:48pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

The parents who pay those fees pay an absolute fortune in PRSI, LPT, DIRT, capital gains, corporation tax. Why shouldn't they see a little of it back for their kids school facilities?

So do I (as a working parent of children attending non-fee paying schools).

suicide_circus · 11-03-2018 4:50pm

tuisginideach wrote: »

So do I (as a working parent of children attending non-fee paying schools).

Yeah and your kids can get facilities so why can't theirs?

markodaly · 11-03-2018 5:32pm

flas wrote: »

Thats not the reason people are calling it out, its because its a fee paying school, which, in my opinion should get no government money what so ever. If you want to send your kids to a fee paying school then you should have to pay for it fully, not have it subsided by government money, which irish fee paying schools are, which is outrageous. Nothing wrong with fee paying schools,once the parents actually pay for it, the whole lot of it, if they can afford that more power to them.

Then why are GAA clubs getting money? You have to pay a fee, normally nominal to be a member. Thus its a private organisation.

tuisginideach · 11-03-2018 5:35pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

Yeah and your kids can get facilities so why can't theirs?

I never said they couldn't; I am just reminding you that I, as a working parent, also pay all taxes and charges. The money in the Exchequesr does not come only from fee-paying parents. The rest of us make equal contributions.

Ajsoprano · 11-03-2018 5:37pm

At the end of the day ask yourself where would these kids be if there were no fee paying schools.

In public schools using all the money.

So a private school saves the taxpayer money.

Why shouldn’t they get a bit of funding when they pay for their own teachers and heating and stuff.

If it was found that they got a disproportionate amount of funding I’d be annoyed but disadvantages areas get funding too.

eurokev · 11-03-2018 5:38pm

150k for the national yatch clubto increase female and teenage participation, ffs.
At least the hockey pitch a tangible

eurokev · 11-03-2018 5:40pm

eurokev wrote:

150k for the national yatch clubto increase female and teenage participation, ffs. At least the hockey pitch a tangible

Gatling wrote:

Not it's more simple they were simply entitled like all the following in Dublin. The below are just for Dublin , GAA , local football ,pitches , Lawn mowers at 20+000 plus to name but a few

142k for the national yatch club to increase female and teenage participation, ffs.
At least the hockey pitch something tangible

tuisginideach · 11-03-2018 5:42pm

Ajsoprano wrote: »

Why shouldn’t they get a bit of funding when they pay for their own teachers and heating and stuff.

"They pay for their own teachers "????? - They pay for their extra teachers, their specialist coaches, their laboratory assistants etc and the supplementary payments (let's not call them bonuses) to other teachers. The DES pays the salaries of all teachers employed by the DES in these schools (who would probably outnumber the school's own teachers by 8 to 1).

Ajsoprano · 11-03-2018 5:48pm

tuisginideach wrote: »

"They pay for their own teachers "????? - They pay for their extra teachers, their specialist coaches, their laboratory assistants etc and the supplementary payments (let's not call them bonuses) to other teachers. The DES pays the salaries of all teachers employed by the DES in these schools (who would probably outnumber the school's own teachers by 8 to 1).

That’s interesting. So they are a normal school but to get in the parents top up the department money to make the school really good.
Surely they should have state funding for facilities just like other schools. My local schools are not fee paying but we have all weather pitches in all of them.

Do people think that because the parents pay to make the local school better we should just take away what they had in the first place?

CeilingFly · 11-03-2018 5:56pm

flas wrote: »

Thats not the reason people are calling it out, its because its a fee paying school, which, in my opinion should get no government money what so ever. If you want to send your kids to a fee paying school then you should have to pay for it fully, not have it subsided by government money, which irish fee paying schools are, which is outrageous. Nothing wrong with fee paying schools,once the parents actually pay for it, the whole lot of it, if they can afford that more power to them.

There is a school opening later this year that will receive no money from government. - Fees will start from €16,000 and go up to €25,000

Kilkenny college changed from fee based system to being public school with no fees - the extra cost to the taxpayer? - In excess of €1m. Parents still contribute handsomely to extra curricular activity and optional extra tuition, but mos are saving handsomely on the fees they used to pay.

As for funding for pitches - keeping school kids fit will save a fortune in future health services and fitness facilities are as important to a child's development as classrooms.

CeilingFly · 11-03-2018 5:58pm

tuisginideach wrote: »

"They pay for their own teachers "????? - They pay for their extra teachers, their specialist coaches, their laboratory assistants etc and the supplementary payments (let's not call them bonuses) to other teachers. The DES pays the salaries of all teachers employed by the DES in these schools (who would probably outnumber the school's own teachers by 8 to 1).

Public school teacher pupil ratio = 1/19
Fee paying school teacher pupil ratio = 1/23

So it not just the extra teaching staff they pay for, they also get a lower number of state supported teaching staff.

Stephen15 · 11-03-2018 6:01pm

Fúcking riddiculous IMO all the local DLR/SDCC/DCC council owned football pitches in South Dublin have been off since before Christmas and that cùnt Ross goes and gives money to build another private pitch which cannot be used by the general public. Start replacing grass pitches with Astros or properly drained grass pitches if that's too expensive.

No one in Ireland bar a small minority of fee paying girls schools play hockey whereas most children and some adults play football. You could even share them with Gaelic and Rugby. If schools want to play hockey they should fund it themselves.

Wesley College granted 150,000 in government grants to resurface their hockey pitch.

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