Wesley College granted 150,000 in government grants to resurface their hockey pitch.

suicide_circus

The state has a duty to kids who go to fee paying schools too. People on here won't be happy until there is a 100% wealth transference. Socialist utopia indeed.

Stephen15

suicide_circus wrote: »

The state has a duty to kids who go to fee paying schools too. People on here won't be happy until there is a 100% wealth transference. Socialist utopia indeed.

I have no problem with people being wealthy as long they pay for it themselves aren't given stuff which they can well afford for nothing.

Schwanz

Schwanz wrote: »

I'm sure 150,000 would have fed a clothed a lot of homeless.

im sure many multiples of 150k has been used for exactly that

its hardly the only valid use (and far from the best use) of money in the country is it now.

CeilingFly

Stephen15 wrote: »

I don't agree with private fee paying schools getting grants we pay our taxes to schools which we the ordinary working people could never afford to send our kids to. Give the money to non-paying schools which are taxes are meant to fund.

Local authorities can't fix they're pitches because the government won't give them the money.

AGAIN - you don't check facts.

Wesley is a SEMI-private schools as are almost all other fee paying schools.##and guess what???

the parents of all those kids are tax payers too.

If we purely went of your assertion that "our taxes pay for our schools" then working class areas would get very very little in the way of education or recreation facilities.

If anything, the parents of kids that go to semi-private schools contribute handsomely to facilities in areas of less affluence due to the ridiculous level of PAYE tax on fairly modest wages.

Gatling

Stephen15 wrote: »

I don't agree with private fee paying schools getting grants we pay our taxes to schools which we the ordinary working people could never afford to send our kids to. Give the money to non-paying schools which are taxes are meant to fund.

Local authorities can't fix they're pitches because the government won't give them the money.

We pay taxes and so do they ,I believe they pay more than the majority do ,
But they are entitled to it and so is anyone who applies its equality ,

Local authorities are currently owed 50 million in unpaid rents ,they spent tens of millions on cycle lanes and other various projects ,
They could fix the pitchs but so far have refused to ,

CeilingFly

Stephen15 wrote: »

I have no problem with people being wealthy as long they pay for it themselves aren't given stuff which they can well afford for nothing.

maybe those earning good wages shouldn't pay tax then?

BTW - most parents of wesley pupils would not be considered wealthy. Most live in ballinteer area.

suicide_circus

Stephen15 wrote: »

I have no problem with people being wealthy as long they pay for it themselves aren't given stuff which they can well afford for nothing.

So because these kids go to school x rather than school y they shouldn't get grants to fix their pitch?

Stephen15

Gatling wrote: »

We pay taxes and so do they ,I believe they pay more than the majority do ,
But they are entitled to it and so is anyone who applies its equality ,

Local authorities are currently owed 50 million in unpaid rents ,they spent tens of millions on cycle lanes and other various projects ,
They could fix the pitchs but so far have refused to ,

And they chose to send their send their children to fee paying schools and not get their full monies worth from their taxes. Why can't they send their children to non fee paying schools and get their full money worth from their taxes.

Zebra3

Stephen15 wrote: »

And they chose to send their send their children to fee paying schools and not get their full monies worth from their taxes. Why can't they send their children to non fee paying schools and get their full money worth from their taxes.

So their kids can mingle with the "right type".

yesto24

Stephen15 wrote: »

I don't agree with private fee paying schools getting grants we pay our taxes to schools which we the ordinary working people could never afford to send our kids to. Give the money to non-paying schools which are taxes are meant to fund.

Local authorities can't fix they're pitches because the government won't give them the money.

You should really check the fees for these schools before you say you can't afford them.
You may be surprised.

super_furry

yesto24 wrote: »

You should really check the fees for these schools before you say you can't afford them.
You may be surprised.

€6250 a year for Wesley. Someone with two kids is looking at €13,000 per year or €78,000 for the cost of first to sixth year.

nice_guy80

I know secondary schools down the country that don't even have a sports hall.

they're just probably in the wrong part of the country

markodaly

super_furry wrote: »

€6250 a year for Wesley. Someone with two kids is looking at €13,000 per year or €78,000 for the cost of first to sixth year.

Parents pay more for childcare!

super_furry

super_furry wrote: »

€6250 a year for Wesley. Someone with two kids is looking at €13,000 per year or €78,000 for the cost of first to sixth year.

tot up all tge costs relating to school over a 6 year period do you 🙄

Greybottle

Berserker wrote: »

You do know that private schools save the government money, don't you? Secondly, I believe that the government should treat all children equally, irrespective of their background, don't you?

They don't save them money. For every catchment area that ha a private school you also need to keep spaces in public schools open in case people decide not to send their kids to a private one. Witness the huge drop off in places in schools in South Dublin around 2008-09-10 and you'll see what I mean.

markodaly wrote: »

Then again, the boards.ie resident Irish Tommy Robinson is probably angry this is going towards a Methodist School.

I would think that there are very few people here who are aware that Wesley is Methodist and even fewer who would have an issue with it being a Methodist school.


To me the issue here is a huge amount of money directed at a minority sport*, whose facilities are only available to the general public by paying large hourly fees that has been spent in the Ministers own constituency, only a few hundred metres from his own office.

This, as well as the fact that he specifically mentions these in his tweets and not other schools or clubs that money was given to makes this sound a lot like stroke politics to me.

Michael Ring and John O'Donoghue did this in Mayo and Kerry and were rightly roundly slated for it. There's a huge thread in the Cycling forum about Islandeady Cycling Club getting money from the Health section of the Lottery grants for turbo trainers, the only sports club ever to have received money under this allocation.

Sound suspicious? Well, it's Enda Kennys home village and they got the cash when he was Taoiseach. http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/taoiseachs-mayo-village-cycling-club-hits-jackpot-with-lottery-grant/

Shane Ross built his career on the back of outrage over wasteful government spending and critiscising stroke politics. Then he gets in to a Minsiters seat and we get this.

*I've no issue with minority sports.

fleet_admiral

The money should go towards steam cleaning the floor of the disco after a friday night

mikemac2

It would have been more surprising if this didn’t happen OP

Minister in your constituency = goodies

When Alan Kelly was minister for transport he laid on extra train services in Tipp North that tbh nobody asked for and barely used but it got publicity.

As said above Michael Ring was pumping tourism development money into Mayo for years ^^

Even Michael D did it for Galway when he was a minister

Coillte_Bhoy

mikemac2 wrote: »

It would have been more surprising if this didn’t happen OP

Minister in your constituency = goodies

When Alan Kelly was minister for transport he laid on extra train services in Tipp North that tbh nobody asked for and barely used but it got publicity.

As said above Michael Ring was pumping tourism development money into Mayo for years ^^

Even Michael D did it for Galway when he was a minister

What exactly did Michael D do that was out of order?

Unclebumble

Don’t think people who are complaining have read the tweet correctly.
The new Astro turf is at Wesley but will also be used by YMCA Hockey Club which is not part of the school, has been in existence for 100 years, has 5 men’s teams, 2 ladies teams and a large junior section.
If that doesn’t qualify, like plenty of of clubs for a sports grant, then I don’t know what does!
And no, I’m not part of YMCA - just like to know some facts before getting on the Outrage Bus!

Poor Uncle Tom

That scheme is open for all schools to make an application, if you are not in you can't win.

yesto24

nice_guy80 wrote: »

I know secondary schools down the country that don't even have a sports hall.

they're just probably in the wrong part of the country

They probably didn't get their act together and fund raise, build and apply for grants.

Are Am Eye

Just for a sense of balance - Wesley give scholarships to young people from disadvantaged backgrounds who meet target academic level. I don't know the exact numbers and some might say it is a token gesture. But they could as easily not do it.

Ulysses Gaze

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh, edgy and so original.

How about arguing the substantive issue?

If there is so much outrage here for a €150,00 grant for a schools sporting facilities, why no outrage over the richest sporting organisation in the country getting €30 million from the Taxpayer to upgrade a stadium?

lazygal

super_furry wrote: »

€6250 a year for Wesley. Someone with two kids is looking at €13,000 per year or €78,000 for the cost of first to sixth year.

Loads of parents pay more for child care every year. I know we do.

Galwayguy35

Schwanz wrote: »

I'm sure 150,000 would have fed a clothed a lot of homeless.

They get enough money already.

tuisginideach

fleet_admiral wrote: »

The money should go towards steam cleaning the floor of the disco after a friday night

Check your facts. Wesley disco is nowhere near Wesley college.

tuisginideach

CeilingFly wrote: »

Wesley is a SEMI-private schools as are almost all other fee paying schools.##and guess what???

SEMI-private school? What on earth is that? It's not the health service we're talking about.

Greybottle

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

How about arguing the substantive issue?

If there is so much outrage here for a €150,00 grant for a schools sporting facilities, why no outrage over the richest sporting organisation in the country getting €30 million from the Taxpayer to upgrade a stadium?

Because Pairc Ui Chaoimh will regularly sell out it's 45,000 seats. It will also hst dozens of games a year where thousands will attend.

It hosts Gaelic Football, Hurling, Camogie and Ladies Football.

It will host concerts, Ed Sheeran has sold over 100,000 tickets for 3 conderts this May.

It's not a pitch, it's a multi functional venue for arts, sports and conferences in our second biggest city, hosting primarily our two most popular sports. It helps the local economy significantly on many weekends of the year and employs a fair few people full time as well as several hundred part time on event days.

There is a difference.

Gatling

Greybottle wrote: »

Because Pairc Ui Chaoimh will regularly sell out it's 45,000 seats. It will also hst dozens of games a year where thousands will attend.

It hosts Gaelic Football, Hurling, Camogie and Ladies Football.

It will host concerts, Ed Sheeran has sold over 100,000 tickets for 3 conderts this May.

It's not a pitch, it's a multi functional venue for arts, sports and conferences in our second biggest city,

So it's a profit making venue ,but yet the GAA get sports grants for it

markodaly

markodaly wrote: »

The only reason this is making headlines is because money is spent on the middle class.

You've a very 19th-century understanding of sport and its politics in Dublin if you think English sports and fee-charging anglocentric schools are synonymous with the "middle class" in Dublin in 2018. Not even close to the reality. Although the GAA haters would love if it could go back to the glory days of John Bull's sports being the sports of the powerful in this city and the days when the British Army directly organised soccer in Ireland (It's not called the garrison game for nothing!). In reality, sport has always been deeply political in this city - it's far from coincidental that every single one of the 27 fee-charging schools in Dublin - mostly controlled by the great collaborators of Irish history, the Roman Catholic Church - still apes the sport of the powerful under British colonial rule, rugby. To think taxes from a sovereign Irish republic in 2018 subsidise that Irish culture-hating colonial hangover is galling.

Thanks be to Jesus for the Fenians, Parnell, Michael Cusack, Conradh na Gaeilge and the Easter Rising for keeping the flame of well over a millennium of Irish cultural distinctiveness alive when every cultural cringe lowly educated Johnny-come-lately Irish knacker was (and still is) trying to emulate the coloniser's sport and wider culture. Amen.