Wesley College granted 150,000 in government grants to resurface their hockey pitch.

super_furry

Trigger Happy wrote: »

One is a boys school, one is a girls school and one is a private hockey club. And all are well used, not sitting idle.
Should they share toilets too?

They do in Tallaght. St Mark's Community School and Glenanne Hockey club share a hockey pitch.

markodaly

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh, edgy and so original.

It is true though. The richest sporting organisation in the country is the GAA, yet they get huge money from both the National Lottery and government.

The only reason this is making headlines is because money is spent on the middle class.

Gatling

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is the equivalent of demanding that the government should subsidise Mercedes drivers along with a public bus service "because it's likely* the Merc driver pays more taxes". State money should only be spent on a state-owned school system.

* It's likely the Merc driver is, unlike people on lower incomes, also availing of a slew of tax avoidance schemes to reduce the percentage of his income that goes on tax.

This part of the allocation for Dublin

tuisginideach

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Yes I suppose we need them for handbag at dawn slap fights like the one we got the video of a little while ago.

I have no affiliation to any rugby school but you can be 100% sure that Wesley College was NOT one of the schools involved in those rugby match fights. I think that is very unfair of you to suggest that.

markodaly

Gatling wrote: »

Not it's more simple they were simply entitled like all the following in Dublin.
The below are just for Dublin ,
GAA , local football ,pitches ,
Lawn mowers at 20+000 plus to name but a few

Yeap, lots of money there going to GAA clubs.

Personally fair play to anyone who gets money, I do not really care. It is good to invest in sporting facilities no matter who the 'class' of the people are or what sport it is.

What gets me, is the hypocrisy of the whole thing. Make a big stink about this, yet stay silent about more money going elsewhere.

Then again, the boards.ie resident Irish Tommy Robinson is probably angry this is going towards a Methodist School.

flas

markodaly wrote: »

It is true though. The richest sporting organisation in the country is the GAA, yet they get huge money from both the National Lottery and government.

The only reason this is making headlines is because money is spent on the middle class.

Thats not the reason people are calling it out, its because its a fee paying school, which, in my opinion should get no government money what so ever. If you want to send your kids to a fee paying school then you should have to pay for it fully, not have it subsided by government money, which irish fee paying schools are, which is outrageous. Nothing wrong with fee paying schools,once the parents actually pay for it, the whole lot of it, if they can afford that more power to them.

suicide_circus

flas wrote: »

Thats not the reason people are calling it out, its because its a fee paying school, which, in my opinion should get no government money what so ever. If you want to send your kids to a fee paying school then you should have to pay for it fully, not have it subsided by government money, which irish fee paying schools are, which is outrageous. Nothing wrong with fee paying schools,once the parents actually pay for it, the whole lot of it, if they can afford that more power to them.

The parents who pay those fees pay an absolute fortune in PRSI, LPT, DIRT, capital gains, corporation tax. Why shouldn't they see a little of it back for their kids school facilities?

Berserker

flas wrote: »

Thats not the reason people are calling it out, its because its a fee paying school, which, in my opinion should get no government money what so ever. If you want to send your kids to a fee paying school then you should have to pay for it fully, not have it subsided by government money, which irish fee paying schools are, which is outrageous. Nothing wrong with fee paying schools,once the parents actually pay for it, the whole lot of it, if they can afford that more power to them.

You do know that private schools save the government money, don't you? Secondly, I believe that the government should treat all children equally, irrespective of their background, don't you?

tuisginideach

suicide_circus wrote: »

The parents who pay those fees pay an absolute fortune in PRSI, LPT, DIRT, capital gains, corporation tax. Why shouldn't they see a little of it back for their kids school facilities?

So do I (as a working parent of children attending non-fee paying schools).

suicide_circus

tuisginideach wrote: »

So do I (as a working parent of children attending non-fee paying schools).

Yeah and your kids can get facilities so why can't theirs?

markodaly

flas wrote: »

Thats not the reason people are calling it out, its because its a fee paying school, which, in my opinion should get no government money what so ever. If you want to send your kids to a fee paying school then you should have to pay for it fully, not have it subsided by government money, which irish fee paying schools are, which is outrageous. Nothing wrong with fee paying schools,once the parents actually pay for it, the whole lot of it, if they can afford that more power to them.

Then why are GAA clubs getting money? You have to pay a fee, normally nominal to be a member. Thus its a private organisation.

tuisginideach

suicide_circus wrote: »

Yeah and your kids can get facilities so why can't theirs?

I never said they couldn't; I am just reminding you that I, as a working parent, also pay all taxes and charges. The money in the Exchequesr does not come only from fee-paying parents. The rest of us make equal contributions.

Ajsoprano

At the end of the day ask yourself where would these kids be if there were no fee paying schools.

In public schools using all the money.

So a private school saves the taxpayer money.

Why shouldn’t they get a bit of funding when they pay for their own teachers and heating and stuff.

If it was found that they got a disproportionate amount of funding I’d be annoyed but disadvantages areas get funding too.

eurokev

150k for the national yatch clubto increase female and teenage participation, ffs.
At least the hockey pitch a tangible

eurokev

eurokev wrote:

150k for the national yatch clubto increase female and teenage participation, ffs. At least the hockey pitch a tangible

eurokev wrote:

150k for the national yatch clubto increase female and teenage participation, ffs. At least the hockey pitch a tangible

Gatling wrote:

Not it's more simple they were simply entitled like all the following in Dublin. The below are just for Dublin , GAA , local football ,pitches , Lawn mowers at 20+000 plus to name but a few

142k for the national yatch club to increase female and teenage participation, ffs.
At least the hockey pitch something tangible

tuisginideach

Ajsoprano wrote: »

Why shouldn’t they get a bit of funding when they pay for their own teachers and heating and stuff.

"They pay for their own teachers "????? - They pay for their extra teachers, their specialist coaches, their laboratory assistants etc and the supplementary payments (let's not call them bonuses) to other teachers. The DES pays the salaries of all teachers employed by the DES in these schools (who would probably outnumber the school's own teachers by 8 to 1).

Ajsoprano

tuisginideach wrote: »

"They pay for their own teachers "????? - They pay for their extra teachers, their specialist coaches, their laboratory assistants etc and the supplementary payments (let's not call them bonuses) to other teachers. The DES pays the salaries of all teachers employed by the DES in these schools (who would probably outnumber the school's own teachers by 8 to 1).

That’s interesting. So they are a normal school but to get in the parents top up the department money to make the school really good.
Surely they should have state funding for facilities just like other schools. My local schools are not fee paying but we have all weather pitches in all of them.

Do people think that because the parents pay to make the local school better we should just take away what they had in the first place?

CeilingFly

flas wrote: »

Thats not the reason people are calling it out, its because its a fee paying school, which, in my opinion should get no government money what so ever. If you want to send your kids to a fee paying school then you should have to pay for it fully, not have it subsided by government money, which irish fee paying schools are, which is outrageous. Nothing wrong with fee paying schools,once the parents actually pay for it, the whole lot of it, if they can afford that more power to them.

There is a school opening later this year that will receive no money from government. - Fees will start from €16,000 and go up to €25,000

Kilkenny college changed from fee based system to being public school with no fees - the extra cost to the taxpayer? - In excess of €1m. Parents still contribute handsomely to extra curricular activity and optional extra tuition, but mos are saving handsomely on the fees they used to pay.

As for funding for pitches - keeping school kids fit will save a fortune in future health services and fitness facilities are as important to a child's development as classrooms.

CeilingFly

tuisginideach wrote: »

"They pay for their own teachers "????? - They pay for their extra teachers, their specialist coaches, their laboratory assistants etc and the supplementary payments (let's not call them bonuses) to other teachers. The DES pays the salaries of all teachers employed by the DES in these schools (who would probably outnumber the school's own teachers by 8 to 1).

Public school teacher pupil ratio = 1/19
Fee paying school teacher pupil ratio = 1/23

So it not just the extra teaching staff they pay for, they also get a lower number of state supported teaching staff.

Stephen15

Fúcking riddiculous IMO all the local DLR/SDCC/DCC council owned football pitches in South Dublin have been off since before Christmas and that cùnt Ross goes and gives money to build another private pitch which cannot be used by the general public. Start replacing grass pitches with Astros or properly drained grass pitches if that's too expensive.

No one in Ireland bar a small minority of fee paying girls schools play hockey whereas most children and some adults play football. You could even share them with Gaelic and Rugby. If schools want to play hockey they should fund it themselves.

Zonda999

Ajsoprano wrote: »

That’s interesting. So they are a normal school but to get in the parents top up the department money to make the school really good.
Surely they should have state funding for facilities just like other schools. My local schools are not fee paying but we have all weather pitches in all of them.

Do people think that because the parents pay to make the local school better we should just take away what they had in the first place?

See this is the real argument about the public vs private thing. There is definitely an argument for the idea that a private school should be truly private and the state should not have to pay the teachers. However, lets call a spade a spade here, if it was like this, the kind of middle class parents who sent their kids to these schools would simply not be able to afford them, or at least a lot less of them would. From a purely social equality point of view, this is surelymore equitable though?

However, in the real world, these parent who make sacrifices to afford these schools for their chil;dren are paying for them to have an advantage in the real world and giving a much better chance of them doing really in life such that its an investment worth making. I'm not sure where I stand on the issue, there are pro's and con's. I can't help but feel though there is definitely something unfair about it and it doesn;t sit completely right with meem

Berserker

Stephen15 wrote: »

No one in Ireland bar a small minority of fee paying girls schools play hockey whereas most children and some adults play football. You could even share them with Gaelic and Rugby. If schools want to play hockey they should fund it themselves.

Firstly, what use is a hockey pitch to others? Secondly, why does everything have to be shared with the GAA? They have countless pitches around Dublin, many of which they refuse to share with other sports, interestingly enough. Finally, you do know that you can rent these pitches out when they are not in use, don't you?

Gatling

Stephen15 wrote: »

Fúcking riddiculous IMO all the local DLR/SDCC/DCC council owned football pitches in South Dublin have been off since before Christmas and that cùnt Ross goes and gives money to build another private pitch which cannot be used by the general public. Start replacing grass pitches with Astros or properly drained grass pitches if

But sdcc and DCC Clubs and pitches got money and regulary get grants ,

super_furry

Stephen15 wrote: »

No one in Ireland bar a small minority of fee paying girls schools play hockey whereas most children and some adults play football. You could even share them with Gaelic and Rugby. If schools want to play hockey they should fund it themselves.

That's nonsense. I grew up and went to school in Tallaght and played it there for my school.

CeilingFly

Stephen15 wrote: »

Fúcking riddiculous IMO all the local DLR/SDCC/DCC council owned football pitches in South Dublin have been off since before Christmas and that cùnt Ross goes and gives money to build another private pitch which cannot be used by the general public. Start replacing grass pitches with Astros or properly drained grass pitches if that's too expensive.

No one in Ireland bar a small minority of fee paying girls schools play hockey whereas most children and some adults play football. You could even share them with Gaelic and Rugby. If schools want to play hockey they should fund it themselves.

You should check facts before ranting rubbish.

ALL wesley pitches including their soccer, rugby, hockey and tennis facilities are available to hire for a small fee by ANY sports club.

Also, almost 300 schools play hockey (boys and girls) - considering there are just 55 fee paying schools in Ireland, the vast majority of players are in non fee paying schools.

But sure why lets facts get in the way of a whine?

JohnnyFlash

There’s a smell of socialist Republican off this thread. Any day now lads......

Stephen15

Berserker wrote: »

Firstly, what use is a hockey pitch to others? Secondly, why does everything have to be shared with the GAA? They have countless pitches around Dublin, many of which they refuse to share with other sports, interestingly enough. Finally, you do know that you can rent these pitches out when they are not in use, don't you?

There are countless GAA and soccer pitches but they're all unplayable for almost half the year unless they are well drained which most are not. The state of some of the Soccer in particular pitches is a disgrace.

I have played football (soccer) on a hockey as my club rents they are crap for football you slip everywhere and if you fall you're knees are destroyed. I'm not against hockey all I am saying is state money shouldn't be pumped into privately owned pitches in private schools. They should be spending the money on state schools and projects which the general public can use.

Stephen15

CeilingFly wrote: »

You should check facts before ranting rubbish.

ALL wesley pitches including their soccer, rugby, hockey and tennis facilities are available to hire for a small fee by ANY sports club.

Also, almost 300 schools play hockey (boys and girls) - considering there are just 55 fee paying schools in Ireland, the vast majority of players are in non fee paying schools.

But sure why lets facts get in the way of a whine?

So the government is spending 150k so Wesley (a private school) can make a profit off renting pitches. Why can't the council build pitches on council land and they could actually be paid off by renting them out.

Gatling

Stephen15 wrote: »

There are countless GAA and soccer pitches but they're all unplayable for almost half the year unless they are well drained which most are not. The state of some of the Soccer in particular pitches

But surely that's a question for local councils to fix they've known about how bad pitches have been for decades and refuse to do anything about it ,
Complainting about a grant given to one single school when hundreds of others got grants too and will do every year

Stephen15

Gatling wrote: »

But surely that's a question for local councils to fix they've known about how bad pitches have been for decades and refuse to do anything about it ,
Complainting about a grant given to one single school when hundreds of others got grants too and will do every year

I don't agree with private fee paying schools getting grants we pay our taxes to schools which we the ordinary working people could never afford to send our kids to. Give the money to non-paying schools which are taxes are meant to fund.

Local authorities can't fix they're pitches because the government won't give them the money.