Random EV thoughts.....

slave1 wrote: »

Isn't great for us early adopters to see what's available nowadays, they were always a year or two away and now we're in the thick of it

It does feel like there's a tsunami of new EVs coming out in the next 12 months.


Great for consumer choice, as long as you like compacts SUVs :rolleyes:

slave1 wrote: »

Perhaps getting tired of the Leaf but hard to argue with a car in perfect nick and perfectly suited for the trips around the town, basically PV powered nowadays also.
Nope, not tiring of the S, not getting an opportunity do drive it much but that's out of my hands

Yeah my wife is taking my Leaf on a temporary basis when I get my ID.4


The plan is that she's going to save for a newer car for herself and then we'll sell the Leaf


I'm hoping she'll get an EV for her next car as frankly she doesn't drive very far and can use the ID.4 for the odd time she travels long distance


Something like an E-Up or Dacia Spring EV or a Zoe would suit her fine, but frankly it's hard to justify the expense of a new car when there's nothing wrong with the Leaf and it's got enough range and space for her needs

this is a even smaller car (I think 2 seats) with only 13Kwh battery. really a joke for 10k price.

unkel wrote: »

(only half joking - my eldest is nearly 17 and we need something for her and her younger siblings to learn to drive in)

I'm still 11 years off my son driving, but have come to the conclusion that he'll be learning to drive in an automatic EV..

for some reason I always had notions of wanting him to learn like me (and probably all of us), in a car with a manual gearbox.... whereas now, in reality I know he won't even be learning in a car with an ICE....

You can now get a cheap leaf for 4k. In a couple of years this will be sub 2k. Same for a Zoe (but they have battery lease or a price premium).
A leaf 24 is a perfect car for a teenager to learn in. No power, no range LOL

Just watched Bjorn's 1000km challenge with the ID.3 77kWh version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPE8CPmC96s

Final time was 10:20, 25 mins slower than the Model 3 Performance on the same route with similar weather

It's an interesting result I think because the Model 3's peak charging power is much higher (200kW I think?) and is more efficient, but for all that it was only 25 mins faster

I think it shows that if there's a decent HPC network to back it up, then there are alternatives to Tesla for travelling long distances in an EV

unkel wrote: »

Pretty decent time. A bit slower than Model 3 LR AWD would be in similar circumstances and only a slightly cheaper EV. Also a 4 seater only. I don't feel the higher end VW ID.3 cars are good value for money. The lower end ones sure are if you can live with the poor spec.

Yeah the ID.3 definitely needs an upgrade on the interior. There's a 5 seater version coming soon, and VW's CEO has said he wants to update the interior


But, if you need the range and don't have Tesla money, then it's probably the only option


I could see it being popular as a company vehicle for mobile workers

unkel wrote: »

Pretty decent time. A bit slower than Model 3 LR AWD would be in similar circumstances and only a slightly cheaper EV. Also a 4 seater only. I don't feel the higher end VW ID.3 cars are good value for money. The lower end ones sure are if you can live with the poor spec.

Slightly cheaper?

The LR model 3 with metallic and alloys is over €61K.
The ID.3 Tour with Metallic and alloys is €41.

Only if you're one of the 1% is that slightly cheaper.

I don't feel that the Tesla would be good value for money, but I'm not in love with Elon, so there's that.

That's some delta, 20k!

unkel wrote: »

An (admittedly very) quick google would suggest your prices are way off. Unless I am missing something? That ID.3 price is the mid range (58kWh), not the long range (77kWh) we are discussing here?

No, it's what I paid for my ID.3 Tour (77kWh).. on the road.

unkel wrote: »

That seems like a very decent price for a very long range EV! So hefty discounts are available then and you bought with cash with no trade-in? Or are you paying them a nice margin on top of that for PCP? Always hard to compare deals otherwise...

I paid cash for the cost of change from the e-Niro I traded in. I got a decent price for it, and they sold it for €34K, everybody happy.

The list price was €41,065, I took delivery at the end of February.

And for that I get 77kWh battery with 125kW charging (rumour has it that that'll be raised to 170kW, not holding my breath though), electric heated Massage seats, heated steering wheel, HUD with augmented reality, granny charger, matrix LED headlights, cornering lights and bad weather lights (fog?).

..Oh and some dodgy software.

Black_Knight wrote: »

Yup, 77kWh net. Bjorn got 500km from the eNiro on a 26C summers day at 90km/hr, and 449km from the ID.4 on a 15C spring day at 90km/hr. He doesn't have a 120km/hr result for the eNiro published to his spreadsheet, but the ID.4 did 297km in 9C weather. I'd say the motorway range is pretty similar, which is nice going from the smaller battery eNiro. (eSoul did 305km in 18C weather, same weight as the eNiro)

ID.4 is ~400kg heavier than the eNiro. Significantly more space in it though.

Yeah I haven't seen the E-Niro and ID.4 side by side but my impression of both is that the ID.4 is a good bit bigger


Unfortunately bigger car generally equals less efficiency, so what you gain from the bigger battery, you lose some of it down to losses

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

I think the list price is now €43k OTR

Ah ok. And I had a look at Nylands table and the 1000km time is pretty much identical to the Tesla Model 3 SR+ , which has a much smaller battery, but is probably more efficient at speed because of better aerodynamics and it can charge faster? That really is only a few grand more than €43k here, isn't it?

Obviously comparing apples and oranges as the Model 3 is a saloon car, which is just not practical as a family car if you need to carry large objects or you have a dog. That's the reason I cancelled my reservation for one several years back (same reason I cancelled my reservation for ID.3 - simply far too small in the back for 3 adults)

Should be interesting in about a year or so when the choice of EV is far bigger again then it is today. Remember 2 years ago the only new EV with a long range you could buy south of €40k was the tiny and poorly specced Kona!