Random EV thoughts.....

mfceiling

ELM327 wrote: »

I spent €2k on suspension parts.

Ouch!!

AndyBoBandy

mfceiling wrote: »

In the motor factors earlier getting plates made up for my van. Funny to think that bar brake pads and wiper blades there's practically nothing else you need for an EV!!

Probably still worth doing brake fluid every 2-3 years, to keep it fresh...

ELM327

ELM327 wrote: »

I spent €2k on suspension parts.

Not surprising I suppose as they're more light goods than conventional car rated.
Those batteries are so much heavier, I sometimes wonder if the suspension on some vehicles has been sufficiently engineered for the extra weight.

McGiver

ELM327 wrote:

No, that's the performance spec which is not delivered out of China and nor does it have the new crap cells that are in the SR+

Was gonna say that, thanks.
Total red herring...

McGiver

AndyBoBandy wrote:

I still believe the future (or part of the future) will be wireless charging (as you are driving) along motorway routes... meaning cars will only need small sub 50kWh batteries for when they leave the motorway networks..

Yes could be but it's capital intensive, infrastructure thing, unlike stationary chargers which are just fancy plugs or electrical equipment (DC), not really infrastructure. You'd have to break all motorways down and dig!

No chance Ireland will do this anytime soon, unicorns if you ask me. Ireland can't do infrastructure. No electrified trains (don't count dart), ancient buses, only two recent tram lines, no tube etc etc.

In terms of the tech, Swedish folks are testing it and I know Germans as well. Here it says they can do 70 kW with 90% efficiency and are aiming at 120 kW.

https://www.electrive.com/2019/04/12/sweden-inductive-road-to-be-built/

70 kW at 90% efficiency going 60 kph - that means you would charge 63 kW net on 60 km of road.

I suppose you would need to dig out 60 kms of a motorway to put the wireless charging there. That's a big thing to do.

What if you go 120 kph? You'd cover that segment in 30 minutes. Would you get 63 kWh net? Probably not. Maybe half?

BUT let's say you consume 200 Wh/km going 120 kph, so on the 60 km stretch you consume 12 kWh, so technically you'd need only gaining 12 kWh to stay even. If that's the case maybe 20 km wireless charging stretch would do, that is doable. But would have to be multiple of these stretches in regular intervals on all motorways.

I think technologically we're there. Just get the money and competent government

RandomViewer

liamog wrote: »

Was there a massive increase in coal power on the Irish grid, or are you planning a trip to Poland
The Irish grid is predominately natural gas powered.

If your going to compare the energy used in two vehicles, either do source to wheel approach or do a pump to wheel approach, don't mix the two in an effort to make one look bad.

Every unit of electricity used in Doegal comes from either wind or Hydro but or bills are still as high or higher than those coming off coal,

RandomViewer

mfceiling wrote: »

In the motor factors earlier getting plates made up for my van. Funny to think that bar brake pads and wiper blades there's practically nothing else you need for an EV!!

Bulbs, shocks, wheel bearings, bushings, pollen filter,steering parts, you are saving on a few litres of oil and fuel and oil filters but little else, you'll also have standard battery and ancillaries, AC,PAS, add in extra tyre wear and actual ownership costs will be very similar to ICE,

mfceiling

RandomViewer wrote: »

Bulbs, shocks, wheel bearings, bushings, pollen filter,steering parts, you are saving on a few litres of oil and fuel and oil filters but little else, you'll also have standard battery and ancillaries, AC,PAS, add in extra tyre wear and actual ownership costs will be very similar to ICE,

I genuinely don't believe so. No oil and filters, no diesel filters, no dpf problems, no timing belts and water pumps, no injectors, no fuel pump problems or any related problems that can be attributed to an ice car. Charging at home at approx €10 for 400kms....and reduced toll costs. I was in the north on Thursday and the charge points are free to use...no cost.
The savings are obvious.

RandomViewer

mfceiling wrote: »

I genuinely don't believe so. No oil and filters, no diesel filters, no dpf problems, no timing belts and water pumps, no injectors, no fuel pump problems or any related problems that can be attributed to an ice car. Charging at home at approx €10 for 400kms....and reduced toll costs. I was in the north on Thursday and the charge points are free to use...no cost.
The savings are obvious.

Oil and filter is every 10k, diesel problems only occur in cars that don't suit the driving style of owners, Tbelt is easy replacement, haven't had a water pump replacement in any car I've ever had, do you really think state subsidies will last much longer

mfceiling

RandomViewer wrote: »

Oil and filter is every 10k, diesel problems only occur in cars that don't suit the driving style of owners, Tbelt is easy replacement, haven't had a water pump replacement in any car I've ever had, do you really think state subsidies will last much longer

Do you really think Ice cars are cheaper to run than electric?

RandomViewer

mfceiling wrote: »

Do you really think Ice cars are cheaper to run than electric?

On average 20k cheaper to buy new, whether you pay up front or as you go is up to you, but back to back the costs will be similar

mfceiling

RandomViewer wrote: »

On average 20k cheaper to buy new, whether you pay up front or as you go is up to you, but back to back the costs will be similar

What's the comparative price on the VW ID4 and the VW Tiguan? Similar sized vehicles in the VW group.... remember the ID4 is very well equipped.
Now compare the cost of diesel/petrol against the cost of electric.
I can guarantee you the ID4 is much cheaper to run having cost a similar purchase price.

Cyrus

RandomViewer wrote: »

On average 20k cheaper to buy new, whether you pay up front or as you go is up to you, but back to back the costs will be similar

Spec up and id4 and equivalent Tiguan

It won’t be close to 20k or even 10 I’d imagine.

RandomViewer

mfceiling wrote: »

What's the comparative price on the VW ID4 and the VW Tiguan? Similar sized vehicles in the VW group.... remember the ID4 is very well equipped.
Now compare the cost of diesel/petrol against the cost of electric.
I can guarantee you the ID4 is much cheaper to run having cost a similar purchase price.

Will it pull a trailer?

0lddog

Think RV was in front of me recently

RandomViewer

0lddog wrote: »

Think RV was in front of me recently

Just like the internal combustion engine and don't rate the alternative at all,

MJohnston

RandomViewer wrote: »

Just like the internal combustion engine and don't rate the alternative at all,

No need to make stuff up to justify that though

RandomViewer

MJohnston wrote: »

No need to make stuff up to justify that though

What did I make up?

MJohnston

RandomViewer wrote: »

What did I make up?

The bit about new EVs being on average 20k more than ICE cars

RandomViewer

MJohnston wrote: »

The bit about new EVs being on average 20k more than ICE cars

Kona, Clio/zoe

MJohnston

RandomViewer wrote: »

Kona, Clio/zoe

Only €10k difference in either of those two, and that’s doing a basic comparison of cheapest models - the entry level Zoe is going to be a much better car than the entry level Clio

mfceiling

RandomViewer wrote: »

Will it pull a trailer?

Jesus move the goalposts much?

I asked if you thought an ID4 would be cheaper to run than a Tiguan (both are of a similar size and price) and now you want to know if it will pull a trailer?

Honest answer - the ID4 will be cheaper to run than the Tiguan.

RandomViewer

MJohnston wrote: »

Only €10k difference in either of those two, and that’s doing a basic comparison of cheapest models - the entry level Zoe is going to be a much better car than the entry level Clio

Woman up the road has a Zoe, ugly thing, second car, does nothing but plugged in everytime I pass

MJohnston

RandomViewer wrote: »

Woman up the road has a Zoe, ugly thing, second car, does nothing but plugged in everytime I pass

You’re some craic. Anyway, yes the ID4 can pull a trailer:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/electrek.co/2020/09/07/vw-id4-towing-capacity-utility-performance-video/amp/

RandomViewer

mfceiling wrote: »

Jesus move the goalposts much?

I asked if you thought an ID4 would be cheaper to run than a Tiguan (both are of a similar size and price) and now you want to know if it will pull a trailer?

Honest answer - the ID4 will be cheaper to run than the Tiguan.

It's not going to age well and will be pretty much worthless by the time it's paid for, tech isn't there yet and I'm doubtful it ever will

Jizique

Jizique wrote: »

Perhaps, but the move to solid state, if what quantumscape say works, is not small or incremental and all cars will use solid state thereafter.
Makes one wonder about all the money being poured into the current technologies, VW with their 240GW factories.

Interesting report into QS this week, a comprehensive 200 pager, questioning their tech and claims; I feel the QS claims are somewhat outlandish, and if a breakthrough on solid state comes, it will emerge from someone like Toyota which is active in this area rather than a company which has spent a mere $16m on R&D in the last two years

Jizique

MJohnston wrote: »

You’re some craic. Anyway, yes the ID4 can pull a trailer:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/electrek.co/2020/09/07/vw-id4-towing-capacity-utility-performance-video/amp/

Downhill, like Nikola (joke by the way); anyway, pretty clear at this stage that Nikola was a pump and dump scam, plenty of others out there

mfceiling

RandomViewer wrote: »

Pretty clear that EV owners are basically religious fundamentalists and I'm the heretic ,

We're a 2 car family. One EV and one large very expensive coupe diesel. EV is the first one we've ever had.
The diesel is a 3 litre twin turbo with a 0 - 100 time around 6 seconds. I drove it for a fortnight before the EV arrived. 0 - 100 in 3.3 seconds and almost 480 Kms to a single charge (realistically probably 400 if I'm honest).
The EV is much nicer to drive. It's whisper quiet and the instant power to overtake is tremendous.

Whether you like it or not this is the way all vehicles are going.

Jizique

mfceiling wrote: »

We're a 2 car family. One EV and one large very expensive coupe diesel. EV is the first one we've ever had.
The diesel is a 3 litre twin turbo with a 0 - 100 time around 6 seconds. I drove it for a fortnight before the EV arrived. 0 - 100 in 3.3 seconds and almost 480 Kms to a single charge (realistically probably 400 if I'm honest).
The EV is much nicer to drive. It's whisper quiet and the instant power to overtake is tremendous.

Whether you like it or not this is the way all vehicles are going.

The bigger issue that govts and perhaps companies need to address is car usage; as families have got smaller, car size has increased. Congestion, parking, use of space - all need to be addressed and EV acceleration of what you mention is not going to encourage parents to send their kids to school by bicycle in city/urban areas even as the weather improves.
Subsidies would be better spent on electric bikes and electric scooters than €50k cars, which are only relevant for a small sub segment of the population.

hold my beer

RandomViewer wrote: »

It's not going to age well and will be pretty much worthless by the time it's paid for, tech isn't there yet and I'm doubtful it ever will

EV tech? Have you got your head buried in the sand or something. Look around, their everywhere.