Advice: Become a teacher

James Bond Junior · 10-09-2019 9:28am

salonfire wrote: »

Because teachers had their own state run progranda machine in RTE bemoaning their plight multiple times through the year. School kids listening to this did not know any better and there was no way of exposing the lies.

Only these days when everyone has internet we can look up the actual salaries and shopping list of allowances that make legacy teachers at least far better paid than they let on.

We have had internet since the late 90's. Information on salaries and conditions have been freely available for decades from the Department of Ed and those evil unions you speak of. You have completely twisted my point too, I said teaching is open to anyone who wants to give it a try and the option was there for anyone to attempt when they filled out the CAO. Alleged union propaganda has not stopped the option being available.

99problems1 · 10-09-2019 9:35am

Deleted User wrote: »

Asia, where it's far easier than back home. Lots of qualified teachers living out here who hate Ireland and the UK for teaching and have to leave.

And what did you teach?

10-09-2019 9:37am

99problems1 wrote: »

And what did you teach?

English and its proficiency exams.

99problems1 · 10-09-2019 9:38am

mariaalice wrote: »

Its not a balance thing the vast majority of other people jobs and occupations have no affect on me, teachers included so the obsession with the teachers by the op is ridiculous. I get how annoying self-absorbed always moaning teachers are but so what there are peopel in every profession like that.

The op is stalking a teacher discussion site and posting dozens of posts about teachers a lot of which seem to be full of rage.

Wow! I'm "stalking" a teacher discussion site?

I'm literally browsing facebook and can't help but see it pop up on my newsfeed because the group is public. By the way I never see any other professions facebook group on public.

I think the way you're acting you definitely have someone in your family, a parent or boyfriend who is a teacher.

elefant · 10-09-2019 9:40am

99problems1 wrote: »

I think the way you're acting you definitely have someone in your family, a parent or boyfriend who is a teacher.

Bold prediction there.

99problems1 · 10-09-2019 9:40am

Deleted User wrote: »

English and its proficiency exams.

So english as a foreign language?

What benefits did you get? Any pension? Grinds money? Supervision money?

99problems1 · 10-09-2019 9:41am

elefant wrote: »

Bold prediction there.

You're stalking me! :pac:

10-09-2019 9:45am

James Bond Junior wrote: »

We have had internet since the late 90's. Information on salaries and conditions have been freely available for decades from the Department of Ed and those evil unions you speak of. You have completely twisted my point too, I said teaching is open to anyone who wants to give it a try and the option was there for anyone to attempt when they filled out the CAO. Alleged union propaganda has not stopped the option being available.

I can just imagine a sixteen year old calling up the Dept of Education looking for the actual salary and allowances.

mariaalice · 10-09-2019 9:45am

99problems1 wrote: »

Wow! I'm "stalking" a teacher discussion site?

I'm literally browsing facebook and can't help but see it pop up on my newsfeed because the group is public. By the way I never see any other professions facebook group on public.

I think the way you're acting you definitely have someone in your family, a parent or boyfriend who is a teacher.

Nothing about teachers every popped up on my facebook, yes a few of my family are teachers but not of the moaning variety they just get on with it.

Teachers and nurses seem to bring out the worst and maddest stuff on boards.

Higher paid public servants as well, not the plebs in the public services though as most realise it's poorly paid job.

10-09-2019 9:47am

99problems1 wrote: »

So english as a foreign language?

What benefits did you get? Any pension? Grinds money? Supervision money?

What's with all the questions? I'm not giving out that sort of information to some insufferable arsehole who is only asking for it to what, discredit me? Say I don't have it as good as Irish teachers? I have it much better as far as I know.

99problems1 · 10-09-2019 10:05am

mariaalice wrote: »

Nothing about teachers every popped up on my facebook, yes a few of my family are teachers but not of the moaning variety they just get on with it.

Teachers and nurses seem to bring out the worst and maddest stuff on boards.

Higher paid public servants as well, not the plebs in the public services though as most realise it's poorly paid job.

Teaching is an exceptionally paid job.

The whole "teachers are paid for 9 months spread over 12" is rubbish just to make it seem like poor teachers don't get paid for holidays (despite every employee except for contractors getting paid for holidays..

If a teacher has a temp job for 1 year, they get paid for 9 months, not for 12....I always bring this up yet no responses either!

thesimpsons · 10-09-2019 10:05am

emilymemily wrote: »

Since when have teachers got a starting salary of 38k? That's laughable, its actually 36k........

Treppen wrote: »

Where are those teaching jobs for 35k?
I'm on educationposts.ie right now looking in the secondary section.... Help?

I obviously don't know where those jobs are, but this is the salary that can be expected based on above and from published salary scales. If you can't find jobs in your subjects, then perhaps your subjects are ones not in demand.

I have previously volunteered in child based camps, sports, scouts, etc handling up to 30 children without half the training (and with no pay) that teachers get. I know its hard work but so are very many jobs

corks finest · 10-09-2019 10:05am

99problems1 wrote:

Below is a post from yesterday. One person "exhausted" already after a week back at school.

Think you're giving teachers a hard time,mine and sons ( who wants to become a teacher)all did loads of extra curricular activities,ie hurling/ football/;soccer/ music lists goes on( primary school) I went to school an spioraid naoimh Bishoptown/ and Colaiste an spioraid naoimh Bishoptown,Cork- and bar one lazy maths teacher we had for 1 year- ALL were doing extra unpaid work,drama ,choir ,debating etc etc,I've 2 friends teaching ATM and both are heavily involved in sports - all after school

blueberrypie · 10-09-2019 10:06am

Its still not too late for the op to do a PME and see just how "easy" it is.

I do agree on one point some teachers would not last a month in the private sector.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 10-09-2019 10:10am

99problems1 wrote: »

Wow! I'm "stalking" a teacher discussion site?

I'm literally browsing facebook and can't help but see it pop up on my newsfeed because the group is public. By the way I never see any other professions facebook group on public.

I think the way you're acting you definitely have someone in your family, a parent or boyfriend who is a teacher.

As opposed to your friends of friends or husbands of work colleagues?

Let’s say that teaching is easier and better paid than your “industrial” job. It should be. We are trying to educate a new generation. People with qualifications tend to get better jobs.

99problems1 · 10-09-2019 10:10am

Deleted User wrote: »

What's with all the questions? I'm not giving out that sort of information to some insufferable arsehole who is only asking for it to what, discredit me? Say I don't have it as good as Irish teachers? I have it much better as far as I know.

Yep!

English as a foreign language is not the same as teaching in a permanent job in Ireland or somewhere.

That's what people do if they want to experience china for a year.

And aren't you the guy with some fancy software that you're selling to companies? Seen you talking about licensing. I'm sure you have a load of free time now anyways and wouldn't surprise me if there's more hours in teaching now you can sit back and take in money for licensing.

99problems1 · 10-09-2019 10:16am

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

As opposed to your friends of friends or husbands of work colleagues?

Let’s say that teaching is easier and better paid than your “industrial” job. It should be. We are trying to educate a new generation. People with qualifications tend to get better jobs.

They learn very basic stuff.

If teachers were so vital and messiahs then how come people learn to cook or pay taxes themselves? None of this is taught in school.

99problems1 · 10-09-2019 10:18am

corks finest wrote: »

Think you're giving teachers a hard time,mine and sons ( who wants to become a teacher)all did loads of extra curricular activities,ie hurling/ football/;soccer/ music lists goes on( primary school) I went to school an spioraid naoimh Bishoptown/ and Colaiste an spioraid naoimh Bishoptown,Cork- and bar one lazy maths teacher we had for 1 year- ALL were doing extra unpaid work,drama ,choir ,debating etc etc,I've 2 friends teaching ATM and both are heavily involved in sports - all after school

That's funny because when I was in school I never had to do any hours outside school to play sports. All matches and events were held during school hours and teachers classes got study time.

Same thing for tours, higher options day etc.

thecomedian · 10-09-2019 10:21am

99problems1 wrote: »

They learn very basic stuff.

If teachers were so vital and messiahs then how come people learn to cook or pay taxes themselves? None of this is taught in school.

They learn how to teach.

thecomedian · 10-09-2019 10:22am

99problems1 wrote: »

That's funny because when I was in school I never had to do any hours outside school to play sports. All matches and events were held during school hours and teachers classes got study time.

Same thing for tours, higher options day etc.

Stop being so narrow minded.
There are other people in this world and not just you.

10-09-2019 10:24am

99problems1 wrote: »

Yep!

English as a foreign language is not the same as teaching in a permanent job in Ireland or somewhere.

That's what people do if they want to experience china for a year.

And aren't you the guy with some fancy software that you're selling to companies? Seen you talking about licensing. I'm sure you have a load of free time now anyways and wouldn't surprise me if there's more hours in teaching now you can sit back and take in money for licensing.

Yeah, you can do it for a year, or you can do it like me. I'm talking about what it's like to be a teacher, which is what I am.

And yes, that's me.

realdanbreen · 10-09-2019 10:29am

Deleted User wrote: »

Pay is awful. It got worse during the recession and never recovered. My friend started recently enough and he's barely able to make ends meet living in Dublin.

Why doesn't your friend do what a lot of teachers do and give grinds in the evenings to the same pupils that they were paid to teach earlier in the day! Go into any hotel lobby in the evenings and you will find them beavering away. They don't even buy a coffee most of them and are oblivious to the killer looks from hotel managers.

10-09-2019 10:31am

realdanbreen wrote: »

Why doesn't your friend do what a lot of teachers do and give grinds in the evenings to the same pupils that they were paid to teach earlier in the day! Go into any hotel lobby in the evenings and you will find them beavering away. They don't even buy a coffee most of them and are oblivious to the killer looks from hotel managers.

"Just work more hours on top of all the extra work you have to do in prep".

I have 170 essays to correct in the next week. I used to do grinds but it's just not good for the mind to be teaching that much on top.

thesimpsons · 10-09-2019 10:35am

Think you're giving teachers a hard time,mine and sons ( who wants to become a teacher)all did loads of extra curricular activities,ie hurling/ football/;soccer/ music lists goes on( primary school) I went to school an spioraid naoimh Bishoptown/ and Colaiste an spioraid naoimh Bishoptown,Cork- and bar one lazy maths teacher we had for 1 year- ALL were doing extra unpaid work,drama ,choir ,debating etc etc,I've 2 friends teaching ATM and both are heavily involved in sports - all after school[/quote]

So ? Loads of people in all walks of jobs do unpaid work all uear long - its not particular or even mandatory for teachers. Its called giving back to society.

thesimpsons · 10-09-2019 10:37am

thesimpsons wrote: »

Think you're giving teachers a hard time,mine and sons ( who wants to become a teacher)all did loads of extra curricular activities,ie hurling/ football/;soccer/ music lists goes on( primary school) I went to school an spioraid naoimh Bishoptown/ and Colaiste an spioraid naoimh Bishoptown,Cork- and bar one lazy maths teacher we had for 1 year- ALL were doing extra unpaid work,drama ,choir ,debating etc etc,I've 2 friends teaching ATM and both are heavily involved in sports - all after school

So ? Loads of people in all walks of jobs do unpaid work all uear long - its not particular or even mandatory for teachers. Its called giving back to society.[/quote]

realdanbreen · 10-09-2019 10:40am

thesimpsons wrote: »

Think you're giving teachers a hard time,mine and sons ( who wants to become a teacher)all did loads of extra curricular activities,ie hurling/ football/;soccer/ music lists goes on( primary school) I went to school an spioraid naoimh Bishoptown/ and Colaiste an spioraid naoimh Bishoptown,Cork- and bar one lazy maths teacher we had for 1 year- ALL were doing extra unpaid work,drama ,choir ,debating etc etc,I've 2 friends teaching ATM and both are heavily involved in sports - all after school

So ? Loads of people in all walks of jobs do unpaid work all uear long - its not particular or even mandatory for teachers. Its called giving back to society.[/quote]
And was the "one lazy maths teacher " sacked?

OEP · 10-09-2019 10:49am

If it's such an easy job, why don't the people giving out become a teacher.

I for one am not envious of teachers. I'm under 30 and earn more than most principals already, teachers do not get paid a lot and you're on a fixed pay scale regardless of ability. They're paid the right amount for their job. They might start on a reasonably high salary for a graduate but the increases over time are small. It would be stressful having to deal with kids / teenagers all day long - it would wreck my head. Yes they get a lot of holidays but I wouldn't like the lack of flexibility - you can't take time off whenever you want, only at predetermined times of the year. Want to go skiing? You have to do it at the busiest most expensive times of the year.

thecomedian · 10-09-2019 10:51am

thesimpsons wrote: »

So ? Loads of people in all walks of jobs do unpaid work all uear long - its not particular or even mandatory for teachers. Its called giving back to society.

[/quote]

No they don’t. Very few spend doing extra hours every week for nothing.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 10-09-2019 10:58am

99problems1 wrote: »

They learn very basic stuff.

If teachers were so vital and messiahs then how come people learn to cook or pay taxes themselves? None of this is taught in school.

Cooking is taught.

What’s taught in school is far more involved than that. I pay my taxes by not doing anything. It could be added to some business class as a day course.

99problems1 · 10-09-2019 11:03am

OEP wrote: »

If it's such an easy job, why don't the people giving out become a teacher.

I for one am not envious of teachers. I'm under 30 and earn more than most principals already, teachers do not get paid a lot and you're on a fixed pay scale regardless of ability. They're paid the right amount for their job. They might start on a reasonably high salary for a graduate but the increases over time are small. It would be stressful having to deal with kids / teenagers all day long - it would wreck my head. Yes they get a lot of holidays but I wouldn't like the lack of flexibility - you can't take time off whenever you want, only at predetermined times of the year. Want to go skiing? You have to do it at the busiest most expensive times of the year.

I think skiing is less on teachers thoughts, it's more like 10 weeks across south america in the summer.

99problems1 · 10-09-2019 11:04am

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Cooking is taught.

What’s taught in school is far more involved than that. I pay my taxes by not doing anything. It could be added to some business class as a day course.

So how do any small business survive? We don't learn how to pay taxes.

We don't learn how to cook.

Insect Overlord · 10-09-2019 11:08am

Article 42 of the Constitution of Ireland:

"1: The State acknowledges that the primary and natural educator of the child is the Family and guarantees to respect the inalienable right and duty of parents to provide, according to their means, for the religious and moral, intellectual, physical and social education of their children.

2: Parents shall be free to provide this education in their homes or in private schools or in schools recognised or established by the State."

There just isn't enough time in the day/week/term/year for the school system to teach every child every conceivable skill to the level of mastery expected by so many posters here, be that driving or cooking or coding or internet safety, on top of the existing curriculum. Some things should be passed on from parent to child in the home. Suggesting it's all a teacher's job is an abdication of responsibility.

realdanbreen · 10-09-2019 11:12am

OEP wrote: »

If it's such an easy job, why don't the people giving out become a teacher.

I for one am not envious of teachers. I'm under 30 and earn more than most principals already, teachers do not get paid a lot and you're on a fixed pay scale regardless of ability. They're paid the right amount for their job. They might start on a reasonably high salary for a graduate but the increases over time are small. It would be stressful having to deal with kids / teenagers all day long - it would wreck my head. Yes they get a lot of holidays but I wouldn't like the lack of flexibility - you can't take time off whenever you want, only at predetermined times of the year. Want to go skiing? You have to do it at the busiest most expensive times of the year.

I don’t think anyone is saying that teaching is easy but the problem is that way too many are not cut out for the job and took it up mainly for the hours and the time off plus of course the fact that no matter how bad you are at the job you won't be sacked.

99problems1 · 10-09-2019 11:13am

Insect Overlord wrote: »

There just isn't enough time in the day/week/term/year for the school system to teach every child every conceivable skill to the level of mastery expected by so many posters here, be that driving or cooking or coding or internet safety, on top of the existing curriculum. Some things should be passed on from parent to child in the home. Suggesting it's all a teacher's job is an abdication of responsibility.

Exactly! How a parent raises their child has far more influence or importance than a teacher.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 10-09-2019 11:15am

99problems1 wrote: »

So how do any small business survive? We don't learn how to pay taxes.

We don't learn how to cook.

Cooking is in fact taught in school. Well done on learning to pay taxes. It’s simething that could be taught in a day in school.

OEP · 10-09-2019 11:16am

realdanbreen wrote: »

I don’t think anyone is saying that teaching is easy but the problem is that way too many are not cut out for the job and took it up mainly for the hours and the time off plus of course the fact that no matter how bad you are at the job you won't be sacked.

I think the OP is more or less saying that it's easy

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 10-09-2019 11:16am

99problems1 wrote: »

Exactly! How a parent raises their child has far more influence or importance than a teacher.

It should. They are the primary care giver. Schools are there to teach largely academic subjects.

99problems1 · 10-09-2019 11:21am

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Cooking is in fact taught in school. Well done on learning to pay taxes. It’s simething that could be taught in a day in school.

Who teaches it?

Would love to know!

Insect Overlord · 10-09-2019 11:27am

99problems1 wrote: »

Exactly! How a parent raises their child has far more influence or importance than a teacher.

Bear that in mind the next time you imagine a classroom scenario. Anywhere from 14 to 34 children. Maybe a few brothers and sisters, but mostly 14 to 34 different family backgrounds.

Some of the kids are looked after, provided with balanced diets and opportunities for exercise and a bit of attention in the evenings. Some of the kids have mobile phones and games consoles in their rooms and stay up late into the night talking to strangers. Some of the kids are sent out the door in the morning with a few quid for chicken rolls and Lucozade, never get any help with their homework, and go home to scenes of neglect or violence or substance abuse. Some of the kids have just arrived off a plane from Afghanistan where half of their extended family was wiped out by a suicide bomber or an air-strike, and they don't speak English.

They're all so different, and they all have very different things going on at home, with different levels of support, and still people like yourself expect "the teacher" to deal with it flawlessly without the right to occasionally vent about the challenge on a Facebook group...

realdanbreen · 10-09-2019 11:31am

Insect Overlord wrote: »

99problems1 wrote: »

Exactly! How a parent raises their child has far more influence or importance than a teacher.

Bear that in mind the next time you imagine a classroom scenario. Anywhere from 14 to 34 children. Maybe a few brothers and sisters, but mostly 14 to 34 different family backgrounds.

Some of the kids are looked after, provided with balanced diets and opportunities for exercise and a bit of attention in the evenings. Some of the kids have mobile phones and games consoles in their rooms and stay up late into the night talking to strangers. Some of the kids are sent out the door in the morning with a few quid for chicken rolls and Lucozade, never get any help with their homework, and go home to scenes of neglect or violence or substance abuse. Some of the kids have just arrived off a plane from Afghanistan where half of their extended family was wiped out by a suicide bomber or an air-strike, and they don't speak English.

They're all so different, and they all have very different things going on at home, with different levels of support, and still people like yourself expect "the teacher" to deal with it flawlessly without the right to occasionally vent about the challenge on a Facebook group...

It's scary to think that it seems to come as a shock to some teachers that they might face situations like this. What the hell was going on in teacher training college!

Insect Overlord · 10-09-2019 11:36am

realdanbreen wrote: »

It's scary to think that it seems to come as a shock to some teachers that they might face situations like this. What the hell was going on in teacher training college!

Good man yourself, Dan. Twisting words to suit your own agenda.

I never once claimed it was a shock to any teacher. There are multiple modules in teacher training that address these challenges.

Many vocal personalities on the internet, however, seem to live in a world where all children are homogeneous beings with the same interests, who all learn the same way, get the same level of support at home, and who all turn up every day positively tingling with anticipation to learn from the teacher. You people project a fantasy onto the entire education system and then castigate anyone who doesn't live up to it 24/7, 365, for the entirety of their career.

99problems1 · 10-09-2019 11:37am

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Bear that in mind the next time you imagine a classroom scenario. Anywhere from 14 to 34 children. Maybe a few brothers and sisters, but mostly 14 to 34 different family backgrounds.

Some of the kids are looked after, provided with balanced diets and opportunities for exercise and a bit of attention in the evenings. Some of the kids have mobile phones and games consoles in their rooms and stay up late into the night talking to strangers. Some of the kids are sent out the door in the morning with a few quid for chicken rolls and Lucozade, never get any help with their homework, and go home to scenes of neglect or violence or substance abuse. Some of the kids have just arrived off a plane from Afghanistan where half of their extended family was wiped out by a suicide bomber or an air-strike, and they don't speak English.

They're all so different, and they all have very different things going on at home, with different levels of support, and still people like yourself expect "the teacher" to deal with it flawlessly without the right to occasionally vent about the challenge on a Facebook group...

Literally the other day there was a post on that group asking how to apply for jobs....

The vast majority of kids behave in school and do as they are asked.

In any case, people do that anyways on weekends. Look at your u-10s football team which is far more responsibility than sitting in a classroom. Yet these people do it for free and don't be thinking how it's such a drain or hard work.

And again, go work in retail with narky customers or a call centre?

99problems1 · 10-09-2019 11:43am

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Good man yourself, Dan. Twisting words to suit your own agenda.

I never once claimed it was a shock to any teacher. There are multiple modules in teacher training that address these challenges.

Many vocal personalities on the internet, however, seem to live in a world where all children are homogeneous beings with the same interests, who all learn the same way, get the same level of support at home, and who all turn up every day positively tingling with anticipation to learn from the teacher. You people project a fantasy onto the entire education system and then castigate anyone who doesn't live up to it 24/7, 365, for the entirety of their career.

More like teachers think they are the only ones that have challenges. Everyone does.

Imagine a health and safety worker? Teachers must think everyone comes in thinking of safety and behave in the safest manner all the time. They don't be thinking of the fella with an angle grinder beside explosive chemicals, or a lad opening a high voltage panel without ppe.

thesimpsons · 10-09-2019 11:43am

thecomedian wrote: »

thesimpsons wrote: »

So ? Loads of people in all walks of jobs do unpaid work all uear long - its not particular or even mandatory for teachers. Its called giving back to society.

No they don’t. Very few spend doing extra hours every week for nothing.[/quote]

Ah come on now, thats ridiculous imo. Few, if any, of the other volunteer coaches I've worked with, across a wide range of extra academic activities, are teachers.

99problems1 · 10-09-2019 11:44am

thesimpsons wrote: »

No they don’t. Very few spend doing extra hours every week for nothing.

Ah come on now, thats ridiculous imo. Few if any of the other volunteer coaches I've worked with, across a wide range of extra academic activities, are teachers.[/QUOTE]

This is very true.

Of all the sports I have played throughout my life, none have been volunteered by teachers. The reason being they'll be off travelling during the summer.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 10-09-2019 11:46am

There really should be a differentiation between salary in Dublin (maybe Cork, Galway, Limerick) versus the rest of the country. Rent alone makes it so much harder and expensive.

That goes for every job really. But the private sector seems to be able to balance this out much more easily.

Actually feel sorry for people getting the dole in Dublin versus other parts of the country. You can survive on so much less outside of the big urban areas.

*I find it hard to feel sorry for the newer teachers that have entered the profession. Even though they are in my age bracket. They are being shafted by the older teachers and their unions who wanted to protect those already in.

realdanbreen · 10-09-2019 12:10pm

Insect Overlord wrote: »

realdanbreen wrote: »

It's scary to think that it seems to come as a shock to some teachers that they might face situations like this. What the hell was going on in teacher training college!

Good man yourself, Dan. Twisting words to suit your own agenda.

I never once claimed it was a shock to any teacher. There are multiple modules in teacher training that address these challenges.

Many vocal personalities on the internet, however, seem to live in a world where all children are homogeneous beings with the same interests, who all learn the same way, get the same level of support at home, and who all turn up every day positively tingling with anticipation to learn from the teacher. You people project a fantasy onto the entire education system and then castigate anyone who doesn't live up to it 24/7, 365, for the entirety of their career.

So apart from all that, how many incompetent teachers have been sacked in say the last 5 years?

realdanbreen · 10-09-2019 12:43pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

So apart from all that, how many incompetent teachers have been sacked in say the last 5 years?

?

Edgware · 10-09-2019 12:47pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

So apart from all that, how many incompetent teachers have been sacked in say the last 5 years?

Incompetence isnt a ground for dismissal in Ireland

paleoperson · 10-09-2019 12:51pm

thecomedian wrote: »

They learn how to teach.

If you understand it well yourself you can teach it. Think of your best Junior Cert subject. Do you reckon you could do it now? Try to hold me back from it.

Another thing about teaching is that you can learn more about your subject and it solidifies your knowledge of what you do know. That's a main reason why research and teaching became so intertwined at third level - because researchers realized that teaching would make themselves think about and go over the material more. But at least with 3rd level they're pressurized into coming up with new stuff advancing their field (at least allegedly).

So for example a history teacher can routinely switch up all his sources, bringing in documentaries he wanted to view and so on. Ask students to write up projects on different things and have a nice old time reading them. Science would be a bit more constrained at second level, but still with new books every few years and students asking awkward questions it could be very stimulating. For English teachers it's the same. I'm sure they get papers published and everything, they certainly have the time for it.

Advice: Become a teacher

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