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Advice: Become a teacher

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    #92
    El Tarangu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Pay is pretty poor, maximum you will ever earn is only 70k?

    There is a cap on eventual earning potential, for sure; but teaching pays better than most other jobs that one could get with a humanities degree straight out of college, and it would take a fair few years for the other professions to catch up.


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    #93
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Moomoomacshoe wrote: »
    It's the taxes ..the imaginary pension funds so you pay for imaginary things..thats why the pay is woeful. Add in all the kids with additional meeds and no help in the classroom. Do it for a week see how you go..I know because my friends are exhausted. Its different kind of work

    The pension isn’t imaginary.

    Anyway being a teacher isn’t that easy. It’s on most of the time, in front of the crowd and preparing classes and corrrecting at night.

    My parents did it and none of us want to do it.


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    #94
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,381 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    The pension isn’t imaginary.

    Anyway being a teacher isn’t that easy. It’s on most of the time, in front of the crowd and preparing classes and corrrecting at night.

    My parents did it and none of us want to do it.

    I went through a tough personal time a few years ago (well documented on this site), and going into a classroom and having to be "on" was an absolute killer. I was crying out for my old job just so people wouldn't be looking at me for hours every day while seeing my stress and unhappy face that I couldn't hide.

    You're an actor basically. You have to pretend non-stop.


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    #95
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Secondary school teachers work 114 days a year. Not a bad deal if you love your job.


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    #96
    handlemaster
    Registered Users Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    Moomoomacshoe wrote: »
    It's the taxes ..the imaginary pension funds so you pay for imaginary things..thats why the pay is woeful. Add in all the kids with additional meeds and no help in the classroom. Do it for a week see how you go..I know because my friends are exhausted. Its different kind of work

    The pension isn’t imaginary.

    Anyway being a teacher isn’t that easy. It’s on most of the time, in front of the crowd and preparing classes and corrrecting at night.

    My parents did it and none of us want to do it.


    Simple to the people that want to do it do it. To the people that dont want to , dont do it. There are millions of career choices why choose one you dont like.. continue to do it and give poor education to the next generation


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    #97
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,234 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    El Tarangu wrote: »
    There is a cap on eventual earning potential, for sure; but teaching pays better than most other jobs that one could get with a humanities degree straight out of college, and it would take a fair few years for the other professions to catch up.

    Plus a two year postgraduate qualification to level 9.

    A newly qualified teacher these days has spent at least 5 years (more likely 6] working towards the qualification.


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    #98
    joe40
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    Teaching is a good job, but only if you have interest in education and can get on with kids.
    Don't just do it for the holidays.
    I teach secondary and it is fine, but in no way could I handle primary teaching. Pay and holidays would not make it worthwhile for me.

    Don't think teaching is an easy option, if you're not suited you will be miserable


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    #99
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    handlemaster wrote: »
    Simple to the people that want to do it do it. To the people that dont want to , dont do it. There are millions of career choices why choose one you dont like.. continue to do it and give poor education to the next generation

    Not sure who you are lecturing here but I don’t do it.


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    #100
    handlemaster
    Registered Users Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    handlemaster wrote: »
    Simple to the people that want to do it do it. To the people that dont want to , dont do it. There are millions of career choices why choose one you dont like.. continue to do it and give poor education to the next generation

    Not sure who you are lecturing here but I don’t do it.


    Why reply then ? Because you do.


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    #101
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    handlemaster wrote: »
    Why reply then ? Because you do.

    Do what. I don’t teach.


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    #102
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    kippy wrote: »
    Sure were't we all kids once.

    Kids think being an astronaut was a realistic and handy profession.
    Everyone thinks teaching is a handy number yet for some reason, I don't see everyone actually wanting to be a teacher.

    Did you even read my OP?

    When you're 17 in school no one tells you these things. No one tells you all the holidays and short working hours teachers have.

    You don't have any worries or responsibilities in school to think of these things.

    As for switching, I have spent the last 6 or 7 years working in private sector building up salary so it would cost 2 years salary, cost of college and then starting from the bottom. You're talking probably a missed earning potential of 300k over the course of a career.


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    #103
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I went through a tough personal time a few years ago (well documented on this site), and going into a classroom and having to be "on" was an absolute killer. I was crying out for my old job just so people wouldn't be looking at me for hours every day while seeing my stress and unhappy face that I couldn't hide.

    You're an actor basically. You have to pretend non-stop.

    What was your old job?

    Again, from my experiences this is not true.

    I was in school and teachers regularly left the room for 10 minutes at a time, to go to the printer or toilet or go speak to another teacher, go get some markers etc.

    BTW if you're having a tough personal time most private sector jobs would be the same, you're interacting with people etc. I believe you're in IT which is different because many can just work remotely and never have to speak to anyone.


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    #104
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,401 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    99problems1 wrote: »
    Did you even read my OP?

    When you're 17 in school no one tells you these things. No one tells you all the holidays and short working hours teachers have.

    You don't have any worries or responsibilities in school to think of these things.

    As for switching, I have spent the last 6 or 7 years working in private sector building up salary so it would cost 2 years salary, cost of college and then starting from the bottom. You're talking probably a missed earning potential of 300k over the course of a career.

    If you deem your current career to be a better option, that says it all really.


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    #105
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    kippy wrote: »
    If you deem your current career to be a better option, that says it all really.

    Being 7 years into it, the monetary loss to switch is too much.

    If starting out it's a no contest.


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    #106
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users Posts: 10,541 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    99problems1 wrote: »
    When you're 17 in school no one tells you these things. No one tells you all the holidays and short working hours teachers have.

    Where did you think they went when you were off school??

    The tide is turning…



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    #107
    El Tarangu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    endacl wrote: »
    Plus a two year postgraduate qualification to level 9.

    A newly qualified teacher these days has spent at least 5 years (more likely 6] working towards the qualification.

    Fair enough; teaching still represents a better-paid job, with better conditions, option than most jobs that one would typically get with a MA in a humanities subject.


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    #108
    handlemaster
    Registered Users Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    Do what. I don’t teach.

    Read what you wrote.


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    #109
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    Where did you think they went when you were off school??

    17 year olds don't think of these things. Kids have no worries. Salaries aren't even mentioned in school.


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    #110
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,401 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    99problems1 wrote: »
    Being 7 years into it, the monetary loss to switch is too much.

    If starting out it's a no contest.

    Of course it's a contest - people do it all the time.
    Why wouldn't you do it not - if its such a dream job.
    You're talking absolute nonsense.

    I'd say you're on far more than the vast majority of teachers 7 years into the job.


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    #111
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    kippy wrote: »
    Of course it's a contest - people do it all the time.
    Why wouldn't you do it not - if its such a dream job.
    You're talking absolute nonsense.

    I'd say you're on far more than the vast majority of teachers 7 years into the job.

    I'm on average industrial wage.


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    #112
    elefant
    Registered Users Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭elefant


    99problems1 wrote: »
    17 year olds don't think of these things. Kids have no worries. Salaries aren't even mentioned in school.

    Ah here, what sort of cosseted child hasn't started to think about job salaries by 17 years old?


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    #113
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,401 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    99problems1 wrote: »
    I'm on average industrial wage.

    39-40 odd K a year?
    That's a no brainer then, go back teaching.


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    #114
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,100 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    99problems1 wrote: »
    I'm on average industrial wage.

    Average earnings in industry, incl. overtime and bonuses, is 912.78 pw, or 47,465 pa.

    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/elcq/earningsandlabourcostsq12019finalq22019preliminaryestimates/


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    #115
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    kippy wrote: »
    39-40 odd K a year?
    That's a no brainer then, go back teaching.

    2 years of no salary plus 8-10k per year probably. Plus missing out on the natural salary progression from my current position.


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    #116
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    Geuze wrote: »
    Average earnings in industry, incl. overtime and bonuses, is 912.78 pw, or 47,465 pa.

    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/elcq/earningsandlabourcostsq12019finalq22019preliminaryestimates/

    https://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scales-and-qualification-allowances/salary-scale-for-teachers-appointed-after-january-2011/

    Yes.

    Add in the allowances for teachers, supervision money etc and they earn more.


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    #117
    MrMiata
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    I'm actually going back to college with the intention of teaching English and Business..
    It's a BA in English & Drama as my major with a double minor in Marketing and Management. I've 1 years worth of exemptions from a previous year passed in a business degree, so as far as I'm aware I meet the requirements.
    If not I'll do a course to make up the difference.

    It hit me while helping my sister with her English homework that I really want to teach.

    It's supposedly anything but easy for newly qualified teachers but it'll be worth it in the end.


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    #118
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    MrMiata wrote: »
    I'm actually going back to college with the intention of teaching English and Business..
    It's a BA in English & Drama as my major with a double minor in Marketing and Management. I've 1 years worth of exemptions from a previous year passed in a business degree, so as far as I'm aware I meet the requirements.
    If not I'll do a course to make up the difference.

    It hit me while helping my sister with her English homework that I really want to teach.

    It's supposedly anything but easy for newly qualified teachers but it'll be worth it in the end.

    Another example of teachers thinking they have it hard.

    They think other grads don't have a problem getting jobs.


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    #119
    MrMiata
    Closed Accounts Posts: 393 ✭✭MrMiata


    99problems1 wrote: »
    Another example of teachers thinking they have it hard.

    They think other grads don't have a problem getting jobs.

    No, I said newly qualified teachers can have a hard time getting jobs, there's no mention of any other career having a hard time finding work.

    Teachers can and do have a hard time finding work, that's not to say others don't.


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    #120
    Rega
    Registered Users Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Rega


    99problems1 wrote: »
    https://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scales-and-qualification-allowances/salary-scale-for-teachers-appointed-after-january-2011/

    Yes.

    Add in the allowances for teachers, supervision money etc and they earn more.

    What supervision money?


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    #121
    shesty
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    Don't be a teacher if you are just doing it for the "easy" hours and the holidays.

    As the child of a teacher, I would say it has it's downfalls, same as any other job.It has great holidays sure, but limited flexibility, especially when you have kids of your own.Personally I prefer the day to day, all year round, flexibility of my own non-teaching job.

    But teachers moaning about going back to work after their holidays really annoys me (and my teacher parent, to be fair, never said a word about that.)It's a perk of your job, the rest of the world survives without, 8-12 weeks holidays a year, get on with it.


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