Dublin Airport Noise Nightmare

JustAThought · 01-12-2016 11:57pm #1

In the usual twisty planning process, planning permission was finally given by An Bord Pleanala to build a new runway (North) in 2007 - with 31 conditions attached - including arguably the most important one - no night flights between 11pm and 7am. Under the banner of EU compliance the government is looking to cede control of this process to a private profit making commercial organisation - the Irish Aviation Authority - which surprisingly is not under government control or accountable to it - it is just seen as an 'expert". Unsurprisingly, the IAA wish to have the conditions of the planning permission overthrown and run planes into the old and soon to be built new runway night and day. Every plane that lands or flies overhead will pay them a fee. The noise for many houses in this NEW flightpath will be so bad that the DAA are "secretly"/privately approaching individual homeowners to propose they buy their homes from them - not CPO, but buy at a price they determine. Thousands more homes will become unusable as functioning places to work, play and most importantly sleep because of the noise of low flying planes that our runway cannot even hold yet as it has not been designed to take their weight and engine capacity. But the new runway North, and its new flightpath will - and they are about to start building it - ten years later, when everyone has almost forgotten about it. The legislation ceding control to the Irish Aviation Authority is about to be brought in by "the government" The Dublin Airport Authoriity has mapped out some houses that may qualify for noise insulation - there is a big difference between their noise allocation and that of the planning/fingal, and the levels approved by the world health organisation. Did you know that this was all going on? Do you know if your house will be in the new flightpath. Have you looked to see if you will be affected? Did you take part in the quietly advertised consultation that was done by a private third party business? Or are you just hoping your home, school, etc will not be affected by screaming planes 24/7?

hannible the cannible · 02-12-2016 12:00am

I won't hear it in clare

jamesbere · 02-12-2016 12:00am

Are the planes screaming because their afraid of heights

vicwatson · 02-12-2016 12:01am

Rant over?

ben.schlomo · 02-12-2016 12:05am

I checked there yesterday as it happens, seems that im safe enough in Galway, best of luck OP.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 02-12-2016 12:08am

Not a peep to be heard up here in Donegal.

The Backwards Man · 02-12-2016 12:10am

They're crying out for paragraphs! :P

maudgonner · 02-12-2016 12:12am

We'd be glad to have some of those flights going into Cork, Shannon and Knock then, balance the country out a bit.

02-12-2016 12:12am

When my humming was smothered by the 46a
And the scream of a low flying jet
So I jumped on a bus to Dun Laoghaire
Stopping off to pick up my guitar etc etc etc

faceman · 02-12-2016 12:13am

Meanwhile on the south side.... no, nothing to report

Collie D · 02-12-2016 12:15am

Source?

JustAThought · 02-12-2016 12:17am

faceman wrote: »

Meanwhile on the south side.... no, nothing to report

haha - thats what you think - Dunlaoghaire, Glenageary and city centre will be affected - depending on the deviation paths which will be allowed from the new runway - 15% in each direction
:eek:

The Muppet · 02-12-2016 12:19am

Lived in swords all my life and I Can't say i even notice the noise from the planes .

Unless there's compo on offer . If so then the noise is indeed a nightmare .

Collie D · 02-12-2016 12:22am

The Muppet wrote: »

Lived in swords all my life and I Can't say i even notice the noise from the planes .

Unless there's compo on offer . If so then the noise is indeed a nightmare .

Haha. Same here but Coolock. Slightly off flight path so didn't want to comment. This only became an issue when Portmarnock came under flight path. Most likely got a couple of councillors a seat.

sdanseo · 02-12-2016 12:23am

Airport has been there since the 1940s. Probably shouldn't have bought a home near the country's main airport without considering that it might expand eventually. The need for the the airport to expand and all the associated development that brings vastly overwhelms the moaning of a few locals and always should.

I don't use the word moaning to trivialise it either; aircraft fly out over my house every day and you get used to it. It's never bothered me in in the slightest.

Also OP, your post reads like the preaching of a local moaning action group rather than the musings of an AH contributor. Perhaps you'd be more at home with your soap box at a water protest?

02-12-2016 12:23am

The houses are rural and therefore should be demolished, we've too many people living rural and it's costing a fortune to subsidize. Just compensate the residents with a house in an urban area.

Fighting Tao · 02-12-2016 12:27am

JustAThought wrote: »

haha - thats what you think - Dunlaoghaire, Glenageary and city centre will be affected - depending on the deviation paths which will be allowed from the new runway - 15% in each direction
:eek:

I'm on a flight path in Dublin 1 that's used at times. I never hear a plane from indoors and even outdoors it's a very low level sound. Only the Garda or coast guard helicopters can be heard indoors. The flight path doesn't impact me at all and it certainly won't impact Dun Laoghaire or Glenageary. Away with your scaremongering!

ted1 · 02-12-2016 12:42am

Friends house backs on to the Dart line, they don't hear it because they are used to it.
It'll be the same with the same planes

Fighting Tao · 02-12-2016 12:47am

How much compo are you looking for OP?

bodice ripper · 02-12-2016 12:48am

Pfft. I shan't weep for anyone who can afford to live that close to Dublin. The poor darlings.

gctest50 · 02-12-2016 12:55am

JustAThought wrote: »

haha - thats what you think - Dunlaoghaire, Glenageary and city centre will be affected - depending on the deviation paths which will be allowed from the new runway - 15% in each direction
:eek:

Your house is now like HIV - no one wants it, can't get rid of it

here, put this on loop in the background at home so you'll be used to the noise :

Fighting Tao · 02-12-2016 12:56am

How will anyone know if they will be affected by increased noise levels before it's operational? I ask because you claim it'll affect places on the south side when it currently doesn't affect Dublin 1. Surely once it's operational then that's the time to prove it's a hazard to your hearing and then seek compo for hearing loss and to soundproof your house.

Richard Hillman · 02-12-2016 1:00am

Fighting Tao wrote: »

I'm on a flight path in Dublin 1 that's used at times. I never hear a plane from indoors and even outdoors it's a very low level sound. Only the Garda or coast guard helicopters can be heard indoors. The flight path doesn't impact me at all and it certainly won't impact Dun Laoghaire or Glenageary. Away with your scaremongering!

It currently does affect DL and Glenageary. There are night flights from 11pm until 2am some nights of low cloud cover. I wear ear plugs in bed and can still hear them.

JustAThought · 02-12-2016 1:04am

sdanseo wrote: »

Airport has been there since the 1940s. Probably shouldn't have bought a home near the country's main airport without considering that it might expand eventually. The need for the the airport to expand and all the associated development that brings vastly overwhelms the moaning of a few locals and always should.

I don't use the word moaning to trivialise it either; aircraft fly out over my house every day and you get used to it. It's never bothered me in in the slightest.

there are new schools that are being built with soundproofing in the classrooms as far out as Tyrrelstown and Blanchardstown in recognition of how bad it is going to be. Whole streets are being quietly bought out by the airport - they won't pay for the land, or businesses, but entire communities are being quietly moved. As regards main airport that stands to reason - however having the no night-time flights planning permission overruled is going to affect people and properties that have never been affected before - and this will be a new route and a new part of the city affected - it hasn't been built yet so those people who will be under it won't know what hit them until it is too late.

And isn't boards for all kinds of everything - where else would I talk about it!

JustAThought · 02-12-2016 1:09am

Fighting Tao wrote: »

How will anyone know if they will be affected by increased noise levels before it's operational? I ask because you claim it'll affect places on the south side when it currently doesn't affect Dublin 1. Surely once it's operational then that's the time to prove it's a hazard to your hearing and then seek compo for hearing loss and to soundproof your house.

no - it dosn't work that way. The Dublin Airport Authority and new Irish Aviation Authority who will become the new control agency have set their indications of noise levels at significantly different onees to the ones fingal council used when doing their presentation of facts to An Bord Pleanala. The noise levels proposed by the DAA/IAA are already much higher that those recommended by the world health organisation. At present the DAA are negotiating with some houses and homeowners WHO APPROACH THEM or seek to negotiate with them to buy out their houses or to soundproof their homes. However if people do not know they might be affected they cannot sign up to the buy-outs, or ask to be included, or contest the figures, or negotiate.

A lot of new homes and people are - I suggest - going to be really f****** over this. The lease of whom will be Tyrrelstown, Swords, the citycentre, Glenageary, Dunlaoghaire, and currently affected Beaumount/Artane - and thats on the old smaller runway - the new one will be double the length, take much greater capacity planes, and the city will be facing flights landing and taking off every 3 minutes - with noise levels not yet experienced because the planes cannot yet land in this country as our runway is not up to par yet. The new one will be built to withstand greater size planes, landing and flying over different parts of the city, with different routes and deviations from the routes allowed - therefore more and different houses affected. It is going to be a nightmare.

and no - they are not CPO'ing houses - they are saying I'll give you a set price for your house and land - take it or leave it.

Big Nasty · 02-12-2016 1:09am

Richard Hillman wrote: »

It currently does affect DL and Glenageary. There are night flights from 11pm until 2am some nights of low cloud cover. I wear ear plugs in bed and can still hear them.

Flights leaving Dublin Airport affect your sleep so badly in DL / Glenageary that you have to wear ear plugs?

Precious!

KwackerJack · 02-12-2016 1:10am

Sorry to sound like a bollox but why buy a house near an international airport??

I fly out of weston myself......I was once 'reported' for flying to low and the noise was terrible........apparently

Was I low, yes I was, however I was on a glide approach with my instructor and engine was at idle so im not sure what the noise was

Weston was there well before any housing estate and the estate in question showed a picture of a plane and a runway whilst advertised for sale...........again go away and don't buy a house near an airport if you don't like the noise

According to my instructor Weston get several reports a day......dam them noisy Cessna 152's

sdanseo · 02-12-2016 1:10am

JustAThought wrote: »

there are new schools that are being built with soundproofing in the classrooms as far out as Tyrrelstown and Blanchardstown in recognition of how bad it is going to be. Whole streets are being quietly bought out by the airport - they won't pay for the land, or businesses, but entire communities are being quietly moved. As regards main airport that stands to reason - however having the no night-time flights planning permission overruled is going to affect people and properties that have never been affected before - and this will be a new route and a new part of the city affected - it hasn't been built yet so those people who will be under it won't know what hit them until it is too late.

And isn't boards for all kinds of everything - where else would I talk about it!

Not objecting to what you said, it was the way it was said.

You and an awful lot of others in the area around the airport are significantly overeacting.

Richard Hillman · 02-12-2016 1:11am

sdanseo wrote: »

Airport has been there since the 1940s. Probably shouldn't have bought a home near the country's main airport without considering that it might expand eventually. The need for the the airport to expand and all the associated development that brings vastly overwhelms the moaning of a few locals and always should.

I don't use the word moaning to trivialise it either; aircraft fly out over my house every day and you get used to it. It's never bothered me in in the slightest.

I live 30km from the airport. There has always been a flight path over the area but over the last year they have been flying at a very low altitude late at night and early in the morning.

This isn't even a not in my backyard situation. My backyard is an hour's drive away from the airport and it is affecting my sleep

Richard Hillman · 02-12-2016 1:13am

Big Nasty wrote: »

Flights leaving Dublin Airport affect your sleep so badly in DL / Glenageary that you have to wear ear plugs?

Precious!

I wear ear plugs anyway. I can hear the flights through the ear plugs. You don't know the situation, so you probably shouldn't comment

degsie · 02-12-2016 1:14am

sdanseo · 02-12-2016 1:14am

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I live 30km from the airport. There has always been a flight path over the area but over the last year they have been flying at a very low altitude late at night and early in the morning.

This isn't even a not in my backyard situation. My backyard is an hour's drive away from the airport and it is affecting my sleep

Roughly where?

If there's maintenance on 10/28 (soon, 10R/28L, the current main runway) then often 16/34 is used. Instead of departing/approaching over Blanch/St Margarets or Portmarnock, you get aircraft movements over Ashbourne and the city centre instead.

Commercial airliners do not fly at "very low altitude" at 30km/15nm from an airport. They'd be either departing and at about 6,000ft or landing at around 3,500-4,000ft on near idle power at that distance, generally.

KwackerJack · 02-12-2016 1:17am

Richard Hillman wrote: »

It currently does affect DL and Glenageary. There are night flights from 11pm until 2am some nights of low cloud cover. I wear ear plugs in bed and can still hear them.

Maybe your hearing aid is to high??

I live in Belmaye which is nearly directy under the flight path and I don't notice them unless I actually stop and listen.

I have no idea how you can even hear them in Glenageary???

Big Nasty · 02-12-2016 1:17am

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I wear ear plugs anyway. I can hear the flights through the ear plugs. You don't know the situation, so you probably shouldn't comment

You should try St Margaret's for the craic.

RobertKK · 02-12-2016 1:36am

I have transatlantic planes go over where I live, but at least they are about 35,000ft plus above my head and not that loud.
I stayed in one of the hotels at Dublin airport recently and yes they are loud and I did think 'I am glad I don't live around here'.
But reading a block of text with no paragraphs was more annoying.

02-12-2016 1:49am

My advice would be to not make a massive deal of it in your home. People get used to noise if it's left alone but if you moan about it every evening before bed, it will always be on your family's minds.

JustAThought · 02-12-2016 2:21am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

My advice would be to not make a massive deal of it in your home. People get used to noise if it's left alone but if you moan about it every evening before bed, it will always be on your family's minds.

Planes taking offf and landing throughout the night - and contrary to what yerman thinks they do this at levels less than 3,000 feet - nobody will be getting any sleep. The old runway ( 10/28) and the slip runways that they are currently using while the NEW North runway is being built hold much smaller capacity planes & are on different flightpaths - a whole lot of new houses and people are going to be very upset and a lot of properties reduced in value. Don't say ya wern't warned - the city's nightmare is about to begin unless something is done to keep the original planning conditions of no night flights between 11pm & 7am.
Public consultation & submissions on daa.ie end tomorrow

Junkyard Tom · 02-12-2016 2:55am

Sleeping in complete silence is unnatural. We slept in noisy forests and jungles not so long ago. Don't buy a house or rent next to an Airport if you're an insufferable complainer. Airports should operate 24/7/365.

Vic_08 · 02-12-2016 4:43am

JustAThought wrote: »

Whole streets are being quietly bought out by the airport

Name them please.

degsie · 02-12-2016 8:21am

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Airports should operate 2/7/364.

2 hours a day! Fuppin hell that wont last long...

jimmy blevins · 02-12-2016 8:34am

gctest50 wrote: »

Your house is now like HIV - no one wants it, can't get rid of it

here, put this on loop in the background at home so you'll be used to the noise :

I find those plane sounds strangely soothing, like a giant hairdryer.

Wanderer78 · 02-12-2016 8:40am

Junkyard Tom wrote:

Sleeping in complete silence is unnatural. We slept in noisy forests and jungles not so long ago. Don't buy a house or rent next to an Airport if you're an insufferable complainer. Airports should operate 2/7/364.

Forests at night are generally very quite, and the important words are, 'we slept', I.e. past tense! Having a peaceful night sleep is extremely important to one's well being, sleep deprivation can lead to extremely serious health issues including mental health problems. Also, many of us do not have the ability to live in the ideal location due to many factors, finances being one such factor. Airports should have very strict operating hours due to these issues

Anita Blow · 02-12-2016 9:48am

I live on one of the roads around the airport about 5 mins from one of the entrances. I can genuinely say we hear a plane maybe twice a day. Have no issue with the airport expanding, it's to be expected and nobody who purchased a house around it should be surprised. As much as they lobby for 24/7 flights, it won't happen. AFAIK even Heathrow has night time restrictions.

Allinall · 02-12-2016 9:58am

OP, I have it on excellent authority that Advanced Pitstop in Swords have already been given a five year exclusive contract to modify the exhausts on all planes using the new runway.

This will ensure the noise levels comply with the N3- UBT (1974) regulations and guarantee a good nights sleep for all the precious petals in the area.

Fighting Tao · 02-12-2016 10:01am

Richard Hillman wrote: »

It currently does affect DL and Glenageary. There are night flights from 11pm until 2am some nights of low cloud cover. I wear ear plugs in bed and can still hear them.

I'm much closer to the airport than you and I don't even notice them even with low cloud cover and I have no problems with my hearing. I also lived in Glenageary for a year...no problem with aircraft noise then either. Since your hearing is so sensitive then you could get better earplugs. When I'm staying in my parents I use 3M EAR Soft FX earplugs as my father is like an elephant in the mornings. They work a treat.

JustAThought · 02-12-2016 10:37am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Forests at night are generally very quite, and the important words are, 'we slept', I.e. past tense! Having a peaceful night sleep is extremely important to one's well being, sleep deprivation can lead to extremely serious health issues including mental health problems. Also, many of us do not have the ability to live in the ideal location due to many factors, finances being one such factor. Airports should have very strict operating hours due to these issues[/quote

Dublin airport currently has the least restrictions of all airports in Europe - basically anything goes in terms of noise, & landing - most other european airports and governments protect their citizens and allow them a full nights sleep. Unlike the plans for Dublins new runway & despite An Bord Pleanala putting conditions on the new runway which the government are actively refusing to comply with. What is the point.

ted1 · 02-12-2016 10:43am

sugarman wrote: »

I once lived in a house that directly backed onto LAX, at first I couldnt sleep a wink but literally a week or 2 later I didnt even notice it.

Exactly , anyone who lives near a flight path and cleim that they can't sleep because if it has other issues and possibly sleep apnea. Once you are use to a nouse you soon forget it's there

Fighting Tao · 02-12-2016 10:46am

JustAThought wrote: »

Dublin airport currently has the least restrictions of all airports in Europe - basically anything goes in terms of noise, & landing - most other european airports and governments protect their citizens and allow them a full nights sleep.

As I am one of those that will be impacted (according to you), then please provide the evidence so I can make an educated decision about getting on board your fight.

seamus · 02-12-2016 11:15am

ted1 wrote: »

Exactly , anyone who lives near a flight path and cleim that they can't sleep because if it has other issues and possibly sleep apnea. Once you are use to a nouse you soon forget it's there

I slept in the same room as a newborn for six months with white noise/gentle music on in the background the entire time.

Seriously, if you're blaming a small amount of dull noise for keeping you awake, then you probably have a undiagnosed sleep disorder. Go to the doctor and get a prescription for sleeping pills or happy pills or something.

People who are consistently precious about quiet and complaining that they can't get enough sleep wreck my head. It's obvious that they're the problem, but they think everyone else is.

dak · 02-12-2016 12:50pm

The Muppet wrote: »

Lived in swords all my life and I Can't say i even notice the noise from the planes .

Unless there's compo on offer . If so then the noise is indeed a nightmare .

Under Internation Civil Aviation Organisation safety rules where 2 runways are less than 2km apart ( Northrunway will be 1.6km from current one ) then planes have to diverge by 15 degrees immediately on take off ...so some parts of swords and many other areas surrounding the airport may just start to notice an increase in noise

If you want to find our more visit www.forumnewrunway.org or visit out FB page https://www.facebook.com/forumnewrunway/

Regards

DAK

Wanderer78 · 02-12-2016 12:54pm

seamus wrote:

I slept in the same room as a newborn for six months with white noise/gentle music on in the background the entire time.

seamus wrote:

Seriously, if you're blaming a small amount of dull noise for keeping you awake, then you probably have a undiagnosed sleep disorder. Go to the doctor and get a prescription for sleeping pills or happy pills or something.

seamus wrote:

People who are consistently precious about quiet and complaining that they can't get enough sleep wreck my head. It's obvious that they're the problem, but they think everyone else is.

Some people are very light sleepers and are very easily disturbed, obviously you aren't. This really does cause serious health issues.

Pills do not solve all things. I'm a very light sleeper and was recommended professionally, not to take sleeping pills.

Quietness is good for all, we are a noisy bunch when we get going. Quietness is good for everybody's well being including animals.

The term 'atomisation' is springing to mind!

Dublin Airport Noise Nightmare

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