Almost every position the left has, is actually just an attack on Christian beliefs?

marieholmfan · 18-12-2018 3:51pm

tomofson wrote: »

The original egyptians would have been alright, not modern day egyptians who have no relation to the ancient.

Indians and Pakistanis would depend on what tribe they are from, The vast majority are not of indo european blood, they are not original indo europeans.

That's false ancient Egyptians had no close relationship with Europe and modern Egyptians are closely related to them.

xckjoo · 18-12-2018 3:52pm

tomofson wrote: »

When europeans can definitely cope in africa, they turned zimbabwe/rhodesia and south africa from wastelands into the most productive acreage in the whole african continent.

With science and engineering, not genetic adaptations.

Did you see what they did to the Congo too? Great bunch of lads. Must have evolved above that pesky empathy feeling.

tomofson · 18-12-2018 3:52pm

marieholmfan wrote: »

That's false ancient Egyptians had no close relationship with Europe and modern Egyptians are closely related to them.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/oukoe-uk-britain-tutankhamun-dna/half-of-european-men-share-king-tuts-dna-idUKTRE7704OR20110801

marieholmfan · 18-12-2018 3:53pm

What East Asian group has 10% Denisovan genes? Mongolians? Is that 10% Denisovan AND a separate 5 % Neandertal cumulative giving 15% non recent African origin?

Wibbs wrote: »

Slight problem with that D; precious little of Ice age genetics is in play in modern Europeans. Those Palaeolithic lines were later diluted down to feck all by an influx of farmers from the Middle East at the start of the agricultural revolution. Even Basques who are generally thought of as "ancient" have a genetic disconnect around 3000 years ago IIRC with ancient Basques. They basically look like Spaniards or French with some local flavour.

There were instances of it in the UK in the past. Much higher rates of rickets among Caribbean and darker skinned Indian folks because of vitamin D deficiency. Many foods are fortified with D now so not nearly an issue anymore. The vitamin D thing seems to have some affect on African Americans. Black folks from the northern states are on average more wealthy, but have more illnesses and some have suggested vitamin D deficiency as a possible cause. It could also be they eat more crap and have more sedentary lives of course.

It's not that minuscule. Not to the degree we once thought anyway. Take some East Asian populations that can have up to 5% Neandertal and near 10% Denisovan genes, genes that Africans don't have and Europeans wouldn't have any Denisovan going on. That's quite a bit of diversity and that's before we look at more local adaptations like Nepalese and Tibetan and Peruvian folks with adaptations to living at higher altitudes. And this diversity and difference is a good thing. This idea that some day we'll all be tanned brown eyed people(it'll never happen) is a horror to me. And dangerous to our species survival. I also hate the notion of all one world culture. Won't happen either, thankfully. I like we're so different, so diverse, that you have 4 foot nothing dark pygmy folks and 6 feet plus pale Dutch folks.

ohnonotgmail · 18-12-2018 3:54pm

tomofson wrote: »

https://uk.reuters.com/article/oukoe-uk-britain-tutankhamun-dna/half-of-european-men-share-king-tuts-dna-idUKTRE7704OR20110801

that is the ruling class of ancient eqypt which were not very egyptian at all as your own article points out.

tomofson · 18-12-2018 3:55pm

xckjoo wrote: »

With science and engineering, not genetic adaptations.

Did you see what they did to the Congo too? Great bunch of lads. Must have evolved above that pesky empathy feeling.

Europeans evolving past empathy feelings, who invents all the cures for diseases? who is dedicated to getting rid of poverty? Who will bend over backwards to prove they are not racist and make immigrants feel at home?

And to your first point of course because they had the intelligence for engineering and scientific fields.

Very productive people turned a wasteland into very productive soil.

For those few sins white people have committed in the past I am sure with our technologies and medical procedures we have more than made up for it now.

Doctor Jimbob · 18-12-2018 3:58pm

DS86DS wrote: »

And where is your scientific data to back that up?

Because as far as I can see, science is quite clear on the subject. It's only Leftist idiots who want to fit a square peg into a round hole that are always looking for ways to thwart scientific fact.

You're the one making wild claims, you can back them up with data if you like.

Wibbs wrote: »

It's not that minuscule. Not to the degree we once thought anyway. Take some East Asian populations that can have up to 5% Neandertal and near 10% Denisovan genes, genes that Africans don't have and Europeans wouldn't have any Denisovan going on. That's quite a bit of diversity and that's before we look at more local adaptations like Nepalese and Tibetan and Peruvian folks with adaptations to living at higher altitudes. And this diversity and difference is a good thing. This idea that some day we'll all be tanned brown eyed people(it'll never happen) is a horror to me. And dangerous to our species survival. I also hate the notion of all one world culture. Won't happen either, thankfully. I like we're so different, so diverse, that you have 4 foot nothing dark pygmy folks and 6 feet plus pale Dutch folks.

It's still pretty minuscule in the grand scheme of things. I'm not denying there are small differences between subpopulations, but I don't think there's any credible scientific evidence whatsoever to back up posts like the one I was responding to that reference genetic differences in intelligence.

ohnonotgmail · 18-12-2018 4:00pm

tomofson wrote: »

Europeans evolving past empathy feelings, who invents all the cures for diseases? who is dedicated to getting rid of poverty? Who will bend over backwards to prove they are not racist and make immigrants feel at home?

And to your first point of course because they had the intelligence for engineering and scientific fields.

Very productive people turned a wasteland into very productive soil.

For those few sins white people have committed in the past I am sure with our technologies and medical procedures we have more than made up for it now.

and what does ANY of this have to do with genetics or inherent traits?

marieholmfan · 18-12-2018 4:01pm

tomofson wrote: »

https://uk.reuters.com/article/oukoe-uk-britain-tutankhamun-dna/half-of-european-men-share-king-tuts-dna-idUKTRE7704OR20110801

Junk science or not even science. A screengrab from a Discovery channel documentary published by an ancestry testing company.

tomofson · 18-12-2018 4:01pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and what does ANY of this have to do with genetics or inherent traits?

If you had the intelligence you would figure out it has everything to do with genetics and inherent traits.

nthclare · 18-12-2018 4:02pm

I'm a right Pagan myself....

Christmas has enough room for everyone, Christians Pagans and others.

I find the pagan aspect of it more warming and fits in better than the Christian side of it.

After all the Pagans celebrated the time of year way before the Christians did before.

One of my best friends is a man of the cloth,we slag each other off about our theological beliefs frequently enough

Wibbs · 18-12-2018 4:03pm

marieholmfan wrote: »

That's false ancient Egyptians had no close relationship with Europe and modern Egyptians are closely related to them.

Well... Analysis has shown that the genetics of ancient Egyptians showed more connections with some European lines along with more middle eastern lines than modern Egyptians possess. It's not too surprising that such differences might come up as Egypt and the Middle East in general was about the most traveled meeting place for genetics on the planet and influences ebbed and flowed, going back tens of thousands of years. Even a cursory look at the ruling classes and Pharaohs over time showed a bit of change. You had some that were more "Black" African and some that were far more pale. Mostly they represented themselves as red/tanned skinned folks.

By the time of Tutankamun we have his sandals where with each step he trots on Egypt's enemies, represented by a Black African and a paler, but not red middle easterner.

SusieBlue · 18-12-2018 4:07pm

tomofson wrote: »

Europeans evolving past empathy feelings, who invents all the cures for diseases? who is dedicated to getting rid of poverty? Who will bend over backwards to prove they are not racist and make immigrants feel at home?

And to your first point of course because they had the intelligence for engineering and scientific fields.

Very productive people turned a wasteland into very productive soil.

For those few sins white people have committed in the past I am sure with our technologies and medical procedures we have more than made up for it now.

Well yes, because most white people in the developed world will have better opportunities, better education, less exposure to warfare and violence, and lead more stable lives than say, a person living in Syria.
Or maybe a person living through a tribe war in Uganda. Or a person starving to death in Sudan.

Meaning they will have more opportunity to tackle poverty, advance in medical procedures, and develop new technologies, than say, a person who is living hour by hour trying not to get killed, or maybe a person who can't even feed their children, let alone themselves.

Of course white people look superior when compared in such a manner. But its like comparing apples to oranges.
How can you expect any nation to prosper when they are living through famines, wars, disease, government corruption, and all the rest?

You should just be grateful you were blessed enough to be born in a country and era that afford you this standard of living.

I'm not sure as a white person you would adapt too well to starving to death over in Africa.

tomofson · 18-12-2018 4:10pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

Well yes, because most white people in the developed world will have better opportunities, better education, less exposure to warfare and violence, and lead more stable lives than say, a person living in Syria.
Or maybe a person living through a tribe war in Uganda. Or a person starving to death in Sudan.

Meaning they will have more opportunity to tackle poverty, advance in medical procedures, and develop new technologies, than say, a person who is living hour by hour trying not to get killed, or maybe a person who can't even feed their children, let alone themselves.

Of course white people look superior when compared in such a manner. But its like comparing apples to oranges.
How can you expect any nation to prosper when they are living through famines, wars, disease, government corruption, and all the rest?

You should just be grateful you were blessed enough to be born in a country and era that afford you this standard of living.

I'm not sure as a white person you would adapt too well to starving to death over in Africa.

I don't think anyone would adapt well at starving to death, blame the corrupt african governments and the international banking cliques for why people are starving to death in africa. Not just evil whitey.

marieholmfan · 18-12-2018 4:10pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

that is the ruling class of ancient eqypt which were not very egyptian at all as your own article points out.

Actually the 18th dynasty were certainly perceived as Egyptian though I think they descend from the 16th dynasty (also Egyptian) who are claimed by some to have a levantine ancestor (not some lunatics or whatever but some Archaeologists).

ohnonotgmail · 18-12-2018 4:13pm

tomofson wrote: »

If you had the intelligence you would figure out it has everything to do with genetics and inherent traits.

Explain how. Use simple words if you feel that is necessary. You somehow think that corruption and incompetence at farm management is a genetic trait.

xckjoo · 18-12-2018 4:13pm

tomofson wrote: »

Europeans evolving past empathy feelings, who invents all the cures for diseases? who is dedicated to getting rid of poverty? Who will bend over backwards to prove they are not racist and make immigrants feel at home?

And to your first point of course because they had the intelligence for engineering and scientific fields.

Very productive people turned a wasteland into very productive soil.

For those few sins white people have committed in the past I am sure with our technologies and medical procedures we have more than made up for it now.

The people who can profit from the cure are the ones that developed them. It's not some altruistic calling they're following.

Science and engineering are based on small incremental building on existing knowledge. We didn't just suddenly evolve the gene to figure it out. Plenty of non-white scientists out there. In fact I'd say we're being left behind in terms of our contributions.

So mass genocide, enslavement, torture, rape, etc are "a few sins" in your eyes. Very Christian of you.

Any sign of those links yet? Even one to kick me off. I'd we will disagree on the moral side of things but if there's science to back up what you're saying I'll take it on board.

SusieBlue · 18-12-2018 4:14pm

tomofson wrote: »

I don't think anyone would adapt well at starving to death, blame the corrupt african governments and the international banking cliques for why people are starving to death in africa. Not just evil whitey.

You can't bemoan those from less privileged countries for not tackling poverty, making medical advances and not developing new technology when most of them live in war torn, corrupt countries where their basic human needs for food & shelter aren't even being met.
That's the point I'm making.

tomofson · 18-12-2018 4:14pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Explain how. Use simple words if you feel that is necessary. You somehow think that corruption and incompetence at farm management is a genetic trait.

Africa is the richest continent in terms of resources.

dr.fuzzenstein · 18-12-2018 4:14pm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I do not want to copy and paste entire articles so I will post a link to one I like when I put in the Google search why the left hate the Bible.
When I was younger I was very leftwing myself but as I grew older I grew out of it.

https://wsau.com/blogs/ben-armstrong-blog/20344/rebelling-against-god-is-actually-whats-behind-almost-all-left-wing-beliefs/

And who made this "God" dude the boss anyway? Why should I be in any way obliged to follow or obey anything this "God", whoever he/she is, says?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but "God" has never made any actual proclamation himself, it was always "God told me, no really, seriously, he did and you guys should totally listen to me, because I am totally not making this up".

OK, we'll try this the other way round.
"God spoke unto me and verily, he said, thou shalt not behave like arseholes unto one another. Seriously, knock off the crap, be nice to one another and share what you have. Don't make me come down there!"
OK, there you have it, the Words Of God Himself! A source every bit as reliable as some stoned shepherd from 3000 years ago.
Go out there my children, yay, and spread the good word and tell them he's sick and tired of your crap, so behave!

Wibbs · 18-12-2018 4:15pm

marieholmfan wrote: »

What East Asian group has 10% Denisovan genes? Mongolians? Is that 10% Denisovan AND a separate 5 % Neandertal cumulative giving 15% non recent African origin?

As far as I recall Papuans have the highest admixture M. And yeah it looks to be a separate mixing event(s). Interestingly all Asians and Europeans show some Neandertal admixture, up to 4-5%, but the Asian and European genes are different. There seems to have been a few different mixing events going on. So far anyway there's no evidence of our genes in those other folks. No modern human in Neandertals or Denisovans. It looks to be one way so far, or at least that's what has survived. To be fair we have billions of humans to test, but a dozen tops of Neandertals and Denisovans are only known from a finger bone and a tooth. I suspect sooner or later we'll find one of them with bits of us in them.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

It's still pretty minuscule in the grand scheme of things. I'm not denying there are small differences between subpopulations, but I don't think there's any credible scientific evidence whatsoever to back up posts like the one I was responding to that reference genetic differences in intelligence.

Oh I agree, though I'd not rule the possibility out. Some traits get selected for over others depending on the cultural and physical environment. I don't see why such selection stops at being skin deep. If an environment strongly selects for forward planning, those with the "gene" for forward planning will tend to have more kids. And it could happen quickly enough. I mean the ability to digest lactose and gluten(even alcohol) sprung up and spread pretty rapidly. Could some populations be more "intelligent"* on average? I don't see why not, though I would strongly suspect culture is far more at play than genes.

*there are different types of intelligence so its not that easy to pin down.

tomofson · 18-12-2018 4:15pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

You can't bemoan those from less privileged countries for not tackling poverty, making medical advances and not developing new technology when most of them live in war torn, corrupt countries where their basic human needs for food & shelter aren't even being met.
That's the point I'm making.

You can when its their fault.

White people bend over backwards to help everyone else on earth and I am still supposed to feel guilty and consider myself a "white devil"?

riffmongous · 18-12-2018 4:16pm

Well I hope you're happy OP

ohnonotgmail · 18-12-2018 4:18pm

tomofson wrote: »

Africa is the richest continent in terms of resources.

it certainly is. And the white colonists did a damn good job of extracting all they could even if that involved massacring the local population. Of course none of that wealth was used to bring the local population into the 20th century. And when they left they left behind chaos.

Let us be honest here, your posts are nothing but flat out racism that would go down a treat on stormfront.

tomofson · 18-12-2018 4:20pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

it certainly is. And the white colonists did a damn good job of extracting all they could even if that involved massacring the local population. Of course none of that wealth was used to bring the local population into the 20th century. And when they left they left behind chaos.

Let us be honest here, your posts are nothing but flat out racism that would go down a treat on stormfront.

Some of the wealth should have been used to help the local population I agree with you there.

But the reality is those native peoples sat on all those resources for thousands of years and didn't even know what to do with them, they didn't know how to mine, how to farm on a large scale, not even how to build a wheel.

Since they were letting it all go to waste I believe europeans had a right to make the most of it.

marieholmfan · 18-12-2018 4:20pm

So there is no group with 15% non recent out of Africa DNA?
Papuan is between 4 % and 6 %.

Europeans do NOT have 4% Neandertal DNA it is 2% at most.

Wibbs wrote: »

As far as I recall Papuans have the highest admixture M. And yeah it looks to be a separate mixing event(s). Interestingly all Asians and Europeans show some Neandertal admixture, up to 4-5%, but the Asian and European genes are different. There seems to have been a few different mixing events going on. So far anyway there's no evidence of our genes in those other folks. No modern human in Neandertals or Denisovans. It looks to be one way so far, or at least that's what has survived. To be fair we have billions of humans to test, but a dozen tops of Neandertals and Denisovans are only known from a finger bone and a tooth. I suspect sooner or later we'll find one of them with bits of us in them.

Oh I agree, though I'd not rule the possibility out. Some traits get selected for over others depending on the cultural and physical environment. I don't see why such selection stops at being skin deep. If an environment strongly selects for forward planning, those with the "gene" for forward planning will tend to have more kids. And it could happen quickly enough. I mean the ability to digest lactose and gluten(even alcohol) sprung up and spread pretty rapidly. Could some populations be more "intelligent"* on average? I don't see why not, though I would strongly suspect culture is far more at play than genes.

*there are different types of intelligence so its not that easy to pin down.

ohnonotgmail · 18-12-2018 4:21pm

tomofson wrote: »

Some of the wealth should have been used to help the local population I agree with you there.

But the reality is those native peoples sat on all those resources for thousands of years and didn't even know what they do with them, they didn't know how to mine, how to farm, not even how to build a wheel.

Since they were letting it all go to waste I believe europeans had a right to make the most of it.

So what? they didnt need any of those things.

SusieBlue · 18-12-2018 4:22pm

tomofson wrote: »

You can when its their fault.

White people bend over backwards to help everyone else on earth and I am still supposed to feel guilty and consider myself a "white devil"?

Instead of judging maybe you could try having a bit of compassion.
No one called you a white devil, bar yourself. You seem to have a bizarre persecution complex.
You don't have to feel guilty but you don't even judge them either.

You mock & judge their level of intelligence when they simply do not have the same educational opportunities as we do. Its shameful.

tomofson · 18-12-2018 4:22pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

So what? they didnt need any of those things.

No, it wasn't part of their inherent "cultural" now was it?

Timberrrrrrrr · 18-12-2018 4:23pm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I do not want to copy and paste entire articles so I will post a link to one I like when I put in the Google search why the left hate the Bible.
When I was younger I was very leftwing myself but as I grew older I grew out of it.

https://wsau.com/blogs/ben-armstrong-blog/20344/rebelling-against-god-is-actually-whats-behind-almost-all-left-wing-beliefs/

Deuteronomy 32:8 "

So we should take everything in this book literally? Amazing how the bible crowd tell us to ignore this particular book when you point out the horrific things in it. It would but the koran to shame.

Almost every position the left has, is actually just an attack on Christian beliefs?

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