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I think the walls were tortuous because of the old river terraces. Other walls were following water courses/tributariesMountainsandh wrote: »Simon.d I'd love to know how you operate : do you pick an area at random ? somewhere you know/near you ? and then investigate... or do you research a specific area and then decide to check out the aerial view ?
I like to hover aimlessly over places near me ...
I spotted this very broken up field near enough me, it comes up with a tortuous wall in the 6" map, but nothing recorded in Archeology.ie.
But I'm trying to match that tortuous wall to what I see, and it seems like there maybe a bit more to it ?
Here are the links
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,624028,606278,7,7
http://binged.it/W9JM2v
Not really seeing much of interest around those particular fields.
...on the other hand, it might be time to stick on your wellies and have a look a bit further south.
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,623353,605624,6,8
and see SMR no. WA014-005 Scartnadriny mountain
Looking forward to seeing some pics from the ground
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sorry to be a pain, my eye is not as well trained as you guys, but here's another one from me, probably nothing. Although I'm not very good at it, I do enjoy looking
Slowburner I usually have 2 young accolites and a dog tagging along, so places which are not easy to reach (fences to climb, etc...) are usually well... beyond my reach. There are lovely ringforts at Scart(nadriny) mountain, but I checked out access and it will have to be kept for a childless day. Pity some of the old pedestrian/cattle ways are often now private, and closed by owners.
Anyway, here :
The obvious fort is listed, interestingly the reinforcement/embankment too (rectangular to the left of it, very noticeable as you drive by), the other features (?) are not afair.
I pass by often, and this field is extensively maintained, and extremely clean, one of these spotless farming examples.
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There are certainly two depressions (the ones you circled) whether or not they are natural, is difficult to say.
However, if you look at the image below, you can see that there is a kink in the field wall which seems to follow the easternmost depression. It's possible that it was paying respect to an earlier enclosure, or it might just have been built around a depression; it's difficult to say.
The embankment just east of the enclosure looks like remains of an earlier field wall and might be giving a misleading impression that it forms part of an enclosure around the larger depression.
If and when the field is ploughed, it could be well worth a bit of field walking.
This image is an overlay of the 2nd edition OSI map over a Bing image.
Probably not 100% to scale.
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Had a windy flight over the Ballymoon Earthworks (http://binged.it/OfscZ8) yesterday. My full photoset is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/highinthesky/sets/72157632033593091/
Any opinions on what this might be:
Located top right:
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Think there's a lot of new information in this model of the ballymoon earthworks, can make out a few new features.. Any ideas as to what's going on with the site?
http://s15.postimage.org/o864xrp7t/ANIMATION.gif
Zoomed in Animations:
http://s7.postimage.org/csgzty5k9/ZOOMED.gif
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This 2002 paper revisits the archaeology of Kilgreany cave.Mountainsandh wrote: »Don't mind me, just being over enthusiastic again I'm afraid...
It is just a mesolithic site, where a few bits were recovered, but to me it seems really important because I'm in the middle of reading about these things.
I was reading about the potential for more discoveries down here since this area escaped the ice, and of hope some day mesolithic human bones could finally be found.
I only found out recently about the "Dungarvan valley" caves, where bones of wooly mammoth, wolf, giant Irish deer and bear were found. Some of these caves are still there, and have not been fully excavated, some have been destroyed. Some human bones were found, not mesolithic though.
From what I gather more excavations/investigations were planned, but I doubt they ever took place, and that they will happen in the near future.
The Waterford County Museum site is a brilliant site, full of information and brilliant collections of old photographs too.
http://www.waterfordcountymuseum.org/exhibit/web/Display/article/5/
a bit in p.26 there : http://www.epa.ie/licences/lic_eDMS/090151b280294c64.pdf
lots more interesting in that report too about other time periods.
this too : http://www.waterfordcoco.ie/en/services/conservationandheritage/archaeology/firstirishpeopleindungarvanvalley/
Co Waterford is not exactly hectic as regards neolithic heritage, so it is nice to find excitement in other respects.
Well worth a read.
http://www.academia.edu/437223/Kilgreany_Co._Waterford_biography_of_a_cave0 -
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looks glazed.late medieval i.m.o...how lucky are you to be pulling these interesting pieces out of your river..are you finding them over a large area on the banks or on a particular stretch?I found this sherd in the river today while out walking.
Anyone care to hazard a date? It has a medieval feel to me.
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It's all that remains of a probable ringfort. Listed on the SMR for Adrass lower KD011-005.
About 5 fields west of this, there is another clearly visible cropmark (KD010-023).
Unusually, the earthwork is shown clearly on the second ed. map but only as a sweep of trees on the first ed.
NVAGL (not visible at ground level) :pac:
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Dr.G, I'm curious about the evidence of 'modern' quarrying in picture 9.
This is also evident at Castleruddery stone circle.
I think it's widely believed that these marks are modern, but I'm not so sure.
Would anyone want to split a stone from a site which is probably full of lore and superstition?
Imagine how long it would take to carve those notches - even with iron or steel tools. That's not something I think anyone would do just to get themselves a useful lump of granite. Granite is plentiful in both of these sites - why would someone go to all the trouble of splitting a stone up there, away from habitation, when they could get one much closer to hand?0 -
You might well be right about this, but it's a subject that may be worth further investigation.twasnt that they was looking to "win"granite the destruction of megalithic monuments was rife and common place in the 17/18 century...indeed we have lost lots and lots of monuments to overtly religious and pious landowners who considered monuments/dolmens/cashels an affront to their religious beliefs and a systematic approach of destruction was commonplace..hence the attempt to "split"several stones found in the corner of castleruddery. along with several "toppled"dolmen capstones and the like..if they wernt blown up with gunpowder they were torn apart for walls/houses (connollys mountpellier)
From around C.16th onwards, the technique for splitting large stones (monoliths, if you like) involved boring rather than chipping.
This technique leaves distinctive marks as can be seen in this photo of an undated, partially worked granite pier (probably a gatepost or lintel). Most granite gate posts were worked in this manner.
The boring and splitting technique is still used today, albeit with powerful hydraulic drills. Where no such power source was available, drilling was carried out using 'jumpahs' or 'jumpers'. This was a cast iron rod, held by one worker, and hit by another. The jumpah was turned each time a blow was delivered.
This picture shows a detail an abandoned jumpah in a rock face close to the Avoca mines. It was one of three (still in situ) aligned to split a massive slab off the rock face. The workers who specialised in this particular form of quarrying were known as 'cloggers'. These jumpahs were abandoned during one of the many transitional phases at the mines and date to between 1890 - 1910.
Bore marks with a diameter less than 30mm tend to predate the C.19th.
The bore mark below is C.18th.
This abandoned stone shows the plug and feathers still in situ, and the split neatly formed - it is probably recent.
The purpose of these images is to show that the nature of post C.17th quarrying methods leave very clear and mostly dateable evidence.
The marks on the orthostats at Ballyedmond and Castleruddery were not formed by boring - they were formed by chipping.
I believe this is evidence that the chip marks predate the C.17th. Whether they were contemporary with the builders of the monuments, is another question.
There may well have been a campaign in various places to rid the land of these pagan icons, but it makes no sense to me that this would be done in such a painfully slow and inefficient manner - particularly when the techniques for splitting stones with plug and feathers was commonplace and widespread.
I'll stick my neck out and say that I think these chip marks are much, much earlier than the C.17th, but I don't have the evidence.0 -
http://binged.it/QPb9AY - Impressive earthwork fortifications in Kilkenny..
Fortunately got to visit this site (Rathlogan, Co. Kilkenny) at the weekend, not the most successful flight, but got the following results.. Will hopefully get back for a second attempt.. A great Spot...
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This rather unremarkable mound in south Wicklow is a confirmed Bronze age burial, soon to be registered as a National monument, and found by yours truly.
The mound is situated on a commanding escarpment with clear views to the east, south and west. It is 15m in diameter and approximately 0.6m high.
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slowburner wrote: »This rather unremarkable mound in south Wicklow is a confirmed Bronze age burial, soon to be registered as a National monument, and found by yours truly.
The mound is situated on a commanding escarpment with clear views to the east, south and west. It is 15m in diameter and approximately 0.6m high.
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I hope this will allow the pictures to be seen outright:
Ardpatrick OSI25.jpg
Ardpatrick view.jpg
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Ardpatrick OSI6.jpg
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Pull that sucker out of there, put on mantle, 2,000 years of history right thereslowburner wrote: »Saddle quern in a dry stone wall in SW Wicklow.
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slowburner wrote: »This rather unremarkable mound in south Wicklow is a confirmed Bronze age burial, soon to be registered as a National monument, and found by yours truly.
The mound is situated on a commanding escarpment with clear views to the east, south and west. It is 15m in diameter and approximately 0.6m high.
Excellent.
There was a similar mound on the edge of an arch site in Scotland, so eventually curiosity got the better of them and they excavated the mound...
Hey presto, viking chief in boat burial :eek:
http://www.history.com/news/viking-chief-buried-in-his-boat-found-in-scotland0 -
You'd be amazed how many people actually have that attitude.Neutronale wrote: »Pull that sucker out of there, put on mantle, 2,000 years of history right there0 -
slowburner wrote: »You'd be amazed how many people actually have that attitude.
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The wall is in fact, part of a superbly preserved ringfort.Neutronale wrote: »
Its already been taken out of archaeological context by the wall builder, just replace with nice rock
The original context was lost a long time ago when the mason picked up the convenient stone.
Now it has entered, not only the structure of the wall, but the very fibres of the web of history and prehistory surrounding this magnificent national monument.
This bronze age site was in use up until the late medieval period. Think how important the quern is in indicating the continuity of habitation in this place.
One of the most important concepts in archaeology is the palimpsest - a bit like peeling the layers of skin from an onion.
A find, no matter how trivial, can indicate the presence of a people at a particular period.
This humble stone is one layer of this rath's palimpsest.
Finds are not always stratigrapically arranged, as in this case, but it is a clear pointer to habitation before the construction of the rath.
I think it tells a better story where it is then on somebody's mantelpiece, and I worry that anyone here would think otherwise.0 -
slowburner wrote: »The wall is in fact, part of a superbly preserved ringfort.
The original context was lost a long time ago when the mason picked up the convenient stone.
Now it has entered, not only the structure of the wall, but the very fibres of the web of history and prehistory surrounding this magnificent national monument.
This bronze age site was in use up until the late medieval period. Think how important the quern is in indicating the continuity of habitation in this place.
One of the most important concepts in archaeology is the palimpsest - a bit like peeling the layers of skin from an onion.
A find, no matter how trivial, can indicate the presence of a people at a particular period.
This humble stone is one layer of this rath's palimpsest.
Finds are not always stratigrapically arranged, as in this case, but it is a clear pointer to habitation before the construction of the rath.
I think it tells a better story where it is then on somebody's mantelpiece, and I worry that anyone here would think otherwise.
Aha, that changes everything, the quern stays 0 -
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