Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

km79 · 16-03-2019 11:16pm

muddle84 wrote: »

Considering a reasonable chance of making league final now. When is it?

Sunday 31st

seligehgit · 16-03-2019 11:17pm

muddle84 wrote: »

Considering a reasonable chance of making league final now. When is it?

Sunday 31st March 2019.

Presuming throw in will be 3.30 or 4.00 post the division 2 final.

km79 · 16-03-2019 11:29pm

Its kind of getting lost in everything but Kerry were awful tonight and the same defensive failings are still there
Run at them and they part like the Red Sea

TCDStudent1 · 16-03-2019 11:38pm

km79 wrote: »

If I am right we need either Galway or Kerry to lose and us to win to make final ?
Mad stuff!!!!!
Galway are away to Tyrone ..........

It's a great end to league with lots of teams having something to play for. Monaghan have to get a result v Mayo to stay up too. It could easily end up being a Kerry Tyrone final - I hope not though.

km79 · 16-03-2019 11:47pm

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

It's a great end to league with lots of teams having something to play for. Monaghan have to get a result v Mayo to stay up too. It could easily end up being a Kerry Tyrone final - I hope not though.

Without telling tales I get the impression that mayo players are being allowed have a night or 2 off now so we may well be treated to another hike defeat next weekend

They deserve a bit of a break anyway
Long few months ahead hopefully

Loafing Oaf · 16-03-2019 11:49pm

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

It's a great end to league with lots of teams having something to play for. Monaghan have to get a result v Mayo to stay up too.

Only if Cavan or Roscommon get something in their games, AFAIK.

RedDevil55 · 16-03-2019 11:57pm

I know it wasn't a complete success, but good to see JH identify the threat of Tommy Walsh at full forward and put Stephen Coen back to mark him. In his previous tenure, I never remember him specifically making plans for a big target man in such a way.

Coillte_Bhoy · 17-03-2019 12:43am

Is it just me but id be quite happy without making a league final and all the hype an ****e that would bring etc. The target is a Connacht final win and the super 8's, i dont think a league final does anything to help that.

Fr Tod Umptious · 17-03-2019 12:49am

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Is it just me but id be quite happy without making a league final and all the hype an ****e that would bring etc. The target is a Connacht final win and the super 8's, i dont think a league final does anything to help that.

Oh no it's not just you, I totally agree with you.

A league final will be of feck all value.

As I said a few weeks back coming third and finding a few new players would do just fine.

Connacht champion is the next major target.

km79 · 17-03-2019 12:50am

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Oh no it's not just you, I totally agree with you.

A league final will be of feck all value.

As I said a few weeks back coming third and finding a few new players would do just fine.

Connacht champion

And me
Looking forward to another long trek to castlebar for a home league defeat so

seligehgit · 17-03-2019 1:04am

A shrewd GAA man remarked post match that he believed James Horan would give Michael Schlingermann a run out next Sunday.

A great idea IMO.

jr86 · 17-03-2019 8:26am

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Is it just me but id be quite happy without making a league final and all the hype an ****e that would bring etc. The target is a Connacht final win and the super 8's, i dont think a league final does anything to help that.

Agree and I'd be amazed to see us win it if we got there

Much improved last night, although I'd a feeling there was a push in us, we always do well v Kerry in the league.

Ruane looks a huge addition. It was vintage Aidan O'Shea and Kevin McLoughlin

Still plenty of silly stuff mind. We should have seen it out much more comfortably after the goal, and we still don't have any real outlet up front - I recall plunkett and Vaughan making some great runs yet having no option to lay it off to.

But great to see the fire in the belly return. Monaghan won't be easy at all, but look 4 wins would be fine for me

crusier · 17-03-2019 9:24am

It would do Mayo no harm to win a national title even if it is the league, I can't understand how people dismiss it. Mayo have little or nothing to show for all their dominant years and I think this was a factor in getting over the line in all Ireland finals. Dublin and Kerry don't dismiss it. If Galway win the league this year they will win an all Ireland in the next 3 years IMO.

jr86 · 17-03-2019 9:55am

crusier wrote: »

It would do Mayo no harm to win a national title even if it is the league, I can't understand how people dismiss it. Mayo have little or nothing to show for all their dominant years and I think this was a factor in getting over the line in all Ireland finals. Dublin and Kerry don't dismiss it. If Galway win the league this year they will win an all Ireland in the next 3 years IMO.

It helps for Dublin when they have such a quality all round panel doesn't it?. I don't exactly see them going gung ho though this year.

Kerry have two league final appearance in recent years and ended up in those finals more accidentally than anything

It's grand to come out with soundbites like a Galway league win will them the all Ireland in a few years, when we're in the generation of arguably the best side of all time and a coming Kerry side with bags of underage success. There's still a fair distance between league and championship intensity for many teams

Fr Tod Umptious · 17-03-2019 10:03am

seligehgit wrote: »

A shrewd GAA man remarked post match that he believed James Horan would give Michael Schlingermann a run out next Sunday.

A great idea IMO.

I can see Mayo playing a few marginal players next week.

They are safe in Div 1
They need other results to get them to the final
They have tried a lot of players
The league work is for the most part done.

Don't be surprised if Monaghan avoid relegation.

jr86 · 17-03-2019 10:07am

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I can see Mayo playing a few marginal players next week.

They are safe in Div 1
They need other results to get them to the final
They have tried a lot of players
The league work is for the most part done.

Don't be surprised if Monaghan avoid relegation.

I think they'll stay up anyway (how on earth did Ros blow it v Cavan) but yes I do think they will be the more hungry side next week and will probably take the spoils

After 2 weeks off mayo needed a performance after two awful showings. Last need was the big win they needed. I'd imagine they were allowed enjoy themselves last night, and training will be on the lighter end of the scale this week

PressRun · 17-03-2019 10:25am

Hmmm. I think I'd like to make a league final and have a proper crack at winning it too, even if just to give the younger lads another go in Croke Park before the championship, but I don't think it will happen. We're relying on other teams to win/lose in order to make a final, which takes it out of our hands somewhat. I think they'll be happy to just have Div 1 status secured and leave it at that. I think Tyrone will probably beat Galway next time, but I'm not that confident that we'll beat Monaghan tbh.

RedDevil55 · 17-03-2019 10:31am

seligehgit wrote: »

A shrewd GAA man remarked post match that he believed James Horan would give Michael Schlingermann a run out next Sunday.

A great idea IMO.

Nothing against Schlingermann, but I don't see the point playing him next week. We should be using the Monaghan game to decide what players are going to start come championship. Clarke and Hennelly will be our 2 goalies for summer so no point playing anyone else.

I think Plunkett, Ruane and McDonagh will hold on to their starting position for the rest of the year. We don't look to have found anyone new in the full back/forward lines yet so that is where I'd experiment a bit next week.

Would like to see 2 of Drake/Crowe/O'Donoghue start. We all know what the full back line from yesterday can do at this stage. Try Diskin/Reape/Coen in the full forward line. Doherty has played every game so far.

I wouldn't make many other changes to the team.

seligehgit · 17-03-2019 10:34am

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I can see Mayo playing a few marginal players next week.

They are safe in Div 1
They need other results to get them to the final
They have tried a lot of players
The league work is for the most part done.

Don't be surprised if Monaghan avoid relegation.

My gut is he'll ring the changes to a significant degree next week.

Monaghan were excellent on their last visit to Castlebar in the first round of the league in 2017.

jr86 · 17-03-2019 12:41pm

km79 wrote: »

Its kind of getting lost in everything but Kerry were awful tonight and the same defensive failings are still there
Run at them and they part like the Red Sea

True but Sherwood was missing and in many ways he's been player of the league for them. Gavin Whyte to come in too.

Clifford and geaney to obviously come in up front and Donoghue already looked sharp again

It's very hard to be uber consistent in the league in fairness .

We'll see do many from Crokes put their hand up today. Likewise with Corofin and Galway

Coillte_Bhoy · 17-03-2019 12:48pm

We beat Monaghan and then we need Galway not to win in Tyrone and we in the final, right?

RedDevil55 · 17-03-2019 12:52pm

I'd like us to reach a league final. Don't see any negatives in getting there. If nothing else, it's another game in Croke Park which have been few and far between since 2017.

km79 · 17-03-2019 1:21pm

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

We beat Monaghan and then we need Galway not to win in Tyrone and we in the final, right?

Yes
Or Kerry to lose

Loafing Oaf · 17-03-2019 2:21pm

RedDevil55 wrote: »

Nothing against Schlingermann, but I don't see the point playing him next week. We should be using the Monaghan game to decide what players are going to start come championship. Clarke and Hennelly will be our 2 goalies for summer so no point playing anyone else.

I think Plunkett, Ruane and McDonagh will hold on to their starting position for the rest of the year. We don't look to have found anyone new in the full back/forward lines yet so that is where I'd experiment a bit next week.

Would like to see 2 of Drake/Crowe/O'Donoghue start. We all know what the full back line from yesterday can do at this stage. Try Diskin/Reape/Coen in the full forward line. Doherty has played every game so far.

I wouldn't make many other changes to the team.

Is Akram completely out of the picture at this stage? I suppose half-back is the line we are best covered...

PARlance · 17-03-2019 5:17pm

jr86 wrote: »

Clifford and geaney to obviously come in up front and Donoghue already looked sharp again

When asked at HT, Spillane reckons all three will come into the starting 15 come Championship. He also said that all their backs were half-backs (or play like half backs).
Despite their abudance of quality, therein lies Kerry's weakness.

wirelessdude01 · 17-03-2019 5:23pm

Loafing Oaf wrote:

Is Akram completely out of the picture at this stage? I suppose half-back is the line we are best covered...

Don't think he has been in since the trials.

PARlance · 17-03-2019 5:23pm

RedDevil55 wrote: »

I'd like us to reach a league final. Don't see any negatives in getting there. If nothing else, it's another game in Croke Park which have been few and far between since 2017.

Can't see why we wouldn't be wanting a crack at it. We all know we've to be better earlier in the year this year. Also don't see the point in trying out a 3rd keeper at this stage unless he'll take no.1, what exactly can he do to take that spot would be my question. I would be hoping and expecting Horan to finish strong and start play near championship teams, with a deserved rest for Doc, DO'C and a couple others thrown in.

wirelessdude01 · 17-03-2019 5:26pm

Even if we win next weekend I doubt we will be needed for a league final anyway. Personally think Monaghan will beat us next week as they need the win to definitely not be relegated.

Always_Running · 17-03-2019 10:11pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I can see Mayo playing a few marginal players next week.

They are safe in Div 1
They need other results to get them to the final
They have tried a lot of players
The league work is for the most part done.

Don't be surprised if Monaghan avoid relegation.

Mayo were more or less safe since the 6 points was secured in round 3. Its the opposite with Monaghan now, it would be a surprise if they got relegated as they are point ahead of Roscommon and how likely are the rossie to get a result against table toppers Kerry off the back of three straight defeats?

The championship is many months off. Right now Mayo have the opportunity to play in and win NFL title (first for 18 years) and with no Dublin to play i see no reason why Horan and co won't go for it. And yes i know Galway could sneak into the final before Mayo but they have to beat a inform Tyrone in Omagh which is harder to do than beating Monaghan at home.

Fr Tod Umptious · 17-03-2019 10:51pm

Always_Running wrote: »

Mayo were more or less safe since the 6 points was secured in round 3. Its the opposite with Monaghan now, it would be a surprise if they got relegated as they are point ahead of Roscommon and how likely are the rossie to get a result against table toppers Kerry off the back of three straight defeats?

The championship is many months off. Right now Mayo have the opportunity to play in and win NFL title (first for 18 years) and with no Dublin to play i see no reason why Horan and co won't go for it. And yes i know Galway could sneak into the final before Mayo but they have to beat a inform Tyrone in Omagh which is harder to do than beating Monaghan at home.

My feeling is that I'm not going to be too put out if they miss out on a league final.

I'd like to see them beat Monaghan thus finishing off the league with two good wins, but if Galway also get a win and are in a final instead of Mayo so be it.

seligehgit · 17-03-2019 11:12pm

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grbear · 18-03-2019 2:08pm

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Is it just me but id be quite happy without making a league final and all the hype an ****e that would bring etc. The target is a Connacht final win and the super 8's, i dont think a league final does anything to help that.

I referenced this in the Galway thread but it makes more sense to have a the discussion here.

I simply can't fathom the idea that Mayo might be better off not making a league final because of hype and ****e.

Like Galway it's nearly twenty years since Mayo won a national senior football title of any description. A league isn't a substitute for All-Ireland success but at this stage it has to has rate at least as important as a provincial title for Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone and Galway. Most players in those squads have experienced provincial success but only Kerry have achieved national success this decade.

Winning the league can only give a team added belief and confidence going into the championship.

Blackjack · 18-03-2019 10:06pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

My feeling is that I'm not going to be too put out if they miss out on a league final.

I'd like to see them beat Monaghan thus finishing off the league with two good wins, but if Galway also get a win and are in a final instead of Mayo so be it.

I’d agree to this to some extent. I won’t be too bothered if we didn’t make a league final and it does depend on whether Horan plans to have a look at anyone else vs Monaghan before trimming the panel. That said, giving it a good crack against Monaghan and then a League final vs Kerry would do the squad no harm.

Monaghan won’t be just there for the fun of it next Sunday either as they need points to guarantee survival too.

Now that I say it, I’d actually love a league final. Get another game in Croke Park for some of the newer lads before the championship, as well as the chance of a National title. I can’t see that as being any hindrance to be honest.

happyoutscan · 18-03-2019 10:58pm

Beat Monaghan and win the league.

Get some form of a winning mentality going ffs, when we've won nothing in years.

If nothing else, a days experience in CP for the nww faces.

naughto · 18-03-2019 11:45pm

The more games the bigger the chance of injury we can’t afford to loose any big players

BandMember · 18-03-2019 11:46pm

Personally, I couldn't give a toss about getting to a league final or winning it. Let's face facts, they could win the league and a Connacht title but if they come up short in the summer again, nobody will care about either title and the year will be regarded as a failure and quickly forgotten about. The reality is that it's Sam or bust. Nothing else matters.

RedDevil55 · 19-03-2019 12:01am

naughto wrote: »

The more games the bigger the chance of injury we can’t afford to loose any big players

Injuries can happen in training so that's no excuse. If we don't reach the league final, players will be playing a club league game anyway.

RedDevil55 · 19-03-2019 12:04am

BandMember wrote: »

Personally, I couldn't give a toss about getting to a league final or winning it. Let's face facts, they could win the league and a Connacht title but if they come up short in the summer again, nobody will care about either title and the year will be regarded as a failure and quickly forgotten about. The reality is that it's Sam or bust. Nothing else matters.

FFS, if we won the league and Connacht Championship that would be an excellent season.

Sebastian Dangerfield · 19-03-2019 12:17am

Winning is a great habit to breed. I hope they go all out to win every game they play between now and 1 September.

Can anyone here honestly say they think a league final win against Galway in Croke Park would be anything other than a huge boost going into Connacht, given recent history? Or putting a hotly tipped Kerry team to the sword again?

grbear · 19-03-2019 12:28am

BandMember wrote: »

Personally, I couldn't give a toss about getting to a league final or winning it. Let's face facts, they could win the league and a Connacht title but if they come up short in the summer again, nobody will care about either title and the year will be regarded as a failure and quickly forgotten about. The reality is that it's Sam or bust. Nothing else matters.

A National League and Connacht title double would make 2019 Mayo's most successful season since 1951. That's an indisputable fact when you look at Mayo's list of honours.

irishgeo · 19-03-2019 7:13am

Win the league and its a huge conference boost.

Lets not win something attitude of some fans amazes me.

Fr Tod Umptious · 19-03-2019 8:15am

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

Winning is a great habit to breed. I hope they go all out to win every game they play between now and 1 September.

Can anyone here honestly say they think a league final win against Galway in Croke Park would be anything other than a huge boost going into Connacht, given recent history? Or putting a hotly tipped Kerry team to the sword again?

We have really struggled to beat Galway recently, especially with their defensive system.
So I'd not be too confident of winning.
Another game v them may help in trying to solve that.

I watched the match v Kerry back after being at it on Saturday.
Should have won by much more.
Wasted a lot of opportunities in the second half.
I'd say Mayo would have the beating of them again in a final.

seligehgit · 19-03-2019 9:05am

Cora Staunton has officially hung up her boots.

Fr Tod Umptious · 19-03-2019 9:07am

seligehgit wrote: »

Cora Staunton has officially hung up her boots.

Pity she finished the way she finished.
No one's fault but her own.

Green&Red · 19-03-2019 10:06am

I’d expect Monaghan to beat us, they have something to play for where we have the chance to make the final, no matter how you try and get your head around it they have something tangible to play for and I think we’ll see that.

However, I’d be delighted if we did go to the final, a game in CP that’s not Dublin and a good chance at winning it, especially if it was Kerry in the final, beating them again would be a real boost for the summer, good to have them young lads used to seeing the green and red as a superior team

BENDYBINN · 19-03-2019 11:19am

The fear factor of losing another final in Croke Park is evident in a lot of posts here.
Beating Kerry in a league final in Croke Park would give Mayo huge confidence going into the summer. No training session will ever give them that.

crusier · 19-03-2019 11:44am

BENDYBINN wrote:

The fear factor of losing another final in Croke Park is evident in a lot of posts here. Beating Kerry in a league final in Croke Park would give Mayo huge confidence going into the summer. No training session will ever give them that.

A new team will walk away this year with a league title and a large step taken in terms of progress. Anyone who cannot see that is fooling themselves. These opportunities don't come too often and there is no guarantee teams will always be in the top flight to win a title.

Fr Tod Umptious · 19-03-2019 1:11pm

Arragh feck it

I'm all on for a league final.

SeanJ09 · 19-03-2019 1:57pm

Is the game on Sunday on TG4?

seligehgit · 19-03-2019 3:26pm

SeanJ09 wrote: »

Is the game on Sunday on TG4?

No.

Games for this weekend.Two hurling semi finals live and one football game deferred.

Dublin v Limerick Nowlan Park 1.30pm

TG4 Galway v Waterford Nowlan Park 3.30pm

Tyrone v Galway Healy Park Deferred

Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

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