Going to the Cinema during Covid

owlbethere · 03-08-2020 6:17pm

I was looking forward to the bond movie coming out. It was due to bee released back in April but it was delayed til later in the year. It is a movie that I would love to see in the cinema but I must admit I would be very nervous. I just can't trust people to do the right thing, especially people that I don't know and that means self isolating if they feel ill. I would be interested in learning about private screenings and how much a private screen would cost. I know it would probably be expensive but it would be the safest bet.

AMKC · 03-08-2020 10:13pm

Just go to the cinema mid week. Even now I would say cinemas will still be quieter mid week than during the weekend.wash your hands wear a mask and gloves and just be carefull. My sister when she had her 30th had a private cinema. This was a good few years ago now and I think one of my other sisters organised it so no idea what it cost but it was not that cheap. It was in a basement in a hotel in Dublin City so not a proper cinema but it was a screen like you had in a cinema and seats but not very big. It was ok but not great.

johnny_ultimate · 04-08-2020 10:20pm

Well this is a surprise: Mulan going straight to Disney+. Although there’s a big disclaimer on that - it’s being released as a premium rental for $30 in the US at least. Disney obviously not willing to cut their losses on a big budget film of that scale, but that’s a high price even by premium VOD standards.

Mostly I reckon this is a hit for the multiplexes. Oddly enough we’re now in a situation where it’s the smaller cinemas have an advantage, as indie distributors are releasing movies and these cinemas have a much stronger record for classic screenings. I mean, it’s not ideal, but I was down the Light House tonight and it was reasonably busy for a socially distant Tuesday night. A grim few months ahead for the multiplexes in comparison.

https://variety.com/2020/film/uncategorized/mulan-disney-plus-premiere-1234711185/

AMKC · 04-08-2020 10:29pm

That's a crazy price for one film on a V.O.D service. Its looks like only countries that do not have Disney+ will get Mulan in the cinema the lucky sods. I would go see it in the cinema but if it ends up on Disney+ here I will not see it so they have lost me and I am sure many others just like me who do not have there on demand service and would have liked to see it in the cinema.

SimonTemplar · 04-08-2020 10:33pm

A ticket in the lighthouse is about €10 depending on the time of day. I'd happily pay that for a new film with the risk that I may not like it. €30 for a new film with the same risk is a big ask, I think.

pixelburp · 04-08-2020 10:43pm

That's an insane price that'll only drive piracy, but is this the watershed release? Disney cutting their losses on VOD for a big blockbuster feels like a big decision. Ok, Sony recently did the same with that Bill and Ted sequel but can't imagine there's as much riding on that release. Wonder who'll be next.

johnny_ultimate · 04-08-2020 10:50pm

They’re obviously thinking ‘well you’d be paying around 40 quid for two adults and two kids, so...’ - clearly aimed at a family audience first and foremost. They probably saw Trolls’ relative success and decided to replicate it, albeit with a Disney tax on top.

They seem pretty firm this is a once-off and an experiment of sorts, but still: 2020 looking pretty empty for big cinemas post Tenet.

mikhail · 05-08-2020 11:11am

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

They seem pretty firm this is a once-off and an experiment of sorts, but still: 2020 looking pretty empty for big cinemas post Tenet.

It's a one-off experiment unless they like the numbers they get.

I live alone; not a chance in hell I'm paying €30 to watch a film on TV. I hope this crashes and burns.

splashthecash · 05-08-2020 11:19am

I naively thought that any release which Disney would make to Disney+ would be free for ppl already subscribed....€20-25 is crazy for a single film, considering I paid €50\60 for the entire year for Disney+

Tenent and Dune are the releases I really hope make it out in cinemas through 2020

If this (Mulan) goes well for Disney, I could see them doing something similar for Black Widow....delaying Marvel movies, impacts the larger MCU timeline and other subsequent movies (that is if there are other MCU films which are in post production and close to ready to go, which I don't believe there are)

pixelburp · 05-08-2020 11:20am

It's an experiment but I'm not sure what the economics say in trying to garner success for $150 million blockbuster via a streaming service (that's a guess at Mulan's budget BTW). You'd imagine Netflix already ran the numbers here, reasoning that they could only get away with "The Irishman" or "Bright" every now and again - most of their Own Brand films are generally B Movies with presumably low budgets to match.

Trolls: World Tour was a success story but honestly that was probably parental desperation matched with the relative low costs of the movie itself. My instincts say there's no chance Mulan, Tenet, Dune, Wonder Woman '84, No Time to Die et al could make back their budgets on streaming alone. Streaming's still too niche versus streaming and yeah, that price point doesn't track. It makes sense in a cinema where the experience of the outing is part of the fee, but not in your living room with the literal world at your finger-tips.

We'll see of course. I've also been wondering if CoVid, plus the slow erosion of the Paramount Decree might mean we're one step closer to Disney brand cinemas with each passing day. The Mouse House swoops in and scoops up AMC (for instance) for a cut price, guts the business then re-opens showing Disney brand content.

Dodge · 05-08-2020 11:39am

It's important to realise that Disney animated movies don't just exist in movie land. Mulan would have been set up with huge merchandise expectations and then provided content for their theme parks too. The theme parks are obviously struggling this year but I'm just making the point that Disney studios are unique in this regard

OU812 · 05-08-2020 12:07pm

I'd be pretty sure Disney will start producing more non park related product (like they used to), to minimise the risk of further shut downs in the future.

We'll still get the Marvel & Star Wars stuff, but there'll be more of the likes of The Black Hole, Herbie, Something Wicked This Way Comes (Insanely dark for a Disney movie & directly led to the creation of Touchstone studios to produce more adult content).

They'll still do the live action remakes & family fare that they're tied to but we'll see more lower budget content that has potential for franchises.

Actually, looking at that trailer again, I'd love to see a Tim Burton remake of it.

kerplun k · 05-08-2020 12:29pm

That’s a massive price.
I’ve heard some rumours it received a poor response in the test screenings.
I wonder if they’ll make it available on other platforms. One would think that by limiting this to an already subscription based platform, they’re limiting their audience,

Maybe the research shows that anyone who’d be interested in this, is likely to already have a D+ sub. Who the hell knows how they came to this decision.

Dodge · 05-08-2020 12:41pm

kerplun k wrote: »

That’s a massive price.
I’ve heard some rumours it received a poor response in the test screenings.
I wonder if they’ll make it available on other platforms. One would think that by limiting this to an already subscription based platform, they’re limiting their audience,

Maybe the research shows that anyone who’d be interested in this, is likely to already have a D+ sub. Who the hell knows how they came to this decision.

They’ve over 60 million subscribers so it’s a pretty big base and they’re hoping that this move brings in even more

https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/disney-plus-60-5-million-paid-subscribers-1234725409/

kerplun k · 05-08-2020 1:25pm

Dodge wrote: »

They’ve over 60 million subscribers so it’s a pretty big base and they’re hoping that this move brings in even more

https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/disney-plus-60-5-million-paid-subscribers-1234725409/

Still tho, your limiting your product to 60m as opposed to everyone

mikhail · 05-08-2020 1:35pm

Dodge wrote: »

They’ve over 60 million subscribers so it’s a pretty big base and they’re hoping that this move brings in even more

https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/disney-plus-60-5-million-paid-subscribers-1234725409/

If every single one of them buys it, they'll make 1.8 billion or so. That's not going to happen. I can only assume they reckon they'll get additional subscriptions out of this. Sounds absurdly risky to me.

pixelburp · 05-08-2020 2:33pm

How many cinemas do we reckon are in the world; couldn't find any reliable stats from a quick google. Cinema remains a worldwide phenomenon even if it's in a relative decline in the Developed World. Access to streaming services is nowhere near universal outside of those developed nations (and even then, many parts of the US have very poor options for even basic broadband). Modern blockbusters reflect that, with billion dollar box-office projections now a standard in many cases.

Point being there's no way Mulan could hope to match that was probably a big projection for itself (was it opening in China?), so presumably all Disney can hope for is to recoup some of the budget back, while getting a tonne more subscribers through marketing and idle curiousity.

silverharp · 05-08-2020 3:28pm

be interesting to see if budgets drop for movies, it would be pretty ballsy to green light a $200m movie at the moment.

kerplun k · 05-08-2020 3:36pm

I'd wonder how many subs Artemis Fowl brought it.

I just cant see people signing up to a subscription service only to fork out more money for DLC, but I guess that's the experiment here.

That model seems to be very profitable in the gaming industry, so why not the movie business.

OU812 · 05-08-2020 5:17pm

silverharp wrote: »

be interesting to see if budgets drop for movies, it would be pretty ballsy to green light a $200m movie at the moment.

Damn right they're going to drop. There'll still be massive hundreds of millions movies, but we're about to see a resurgence of the craft of film making.

Character driven movies like Rainman & Magnolia are about to come back.

Major stars will have to take a cut & special effects will be a minimum.

Dodge · 05-08-2020 5:44pm

OU812 wrote: »

Damn right they're going to drop. There'll still be massive hundreds of millions movies, but we're about to see a resurgence of the craft of film making.

Character driven movies like Rainman & Magnolia are about to come back.

Major stars will have to take a cut & special effects will be a minimum.

I love your optimism

dublinman1990 · 05-08-2020 7:02pm

Yikes. I would never consider paying $30 or even equivalent to it to watch a new movie like Mulan on Disney+.

It is still too much of an asking price to pay for one sitting of a movie when people's finances have hit a big challenge while living with less money during this pandemic. Limiting viewings of a big new blockbuster movie for a big one off cost on one streaming service to countries that have it sounds like an experiment that could be too big to fail. I don't how people are getting paid for being unemployed in the U.S. due to the pandemic. Would they be able to afford to fork out to pay an extra $30 for seeing Mulan on Disney+. I would think not. It will definitely work for the well off crowd living there but not for poorer people who live there.

bnt · 05-08-2020 7:12pm

Even before COVID-19, it would take something major for me to put up with the cost and hassle of going to a cinema, but this month TENET might just be that something. I just hope it's not just in multiplexes.

kerplun k · 05-08-2020 7:30pm

bnt wrote: »

Even before COVID-19, it would take something major for me to put up with the cost and hassle of going to a cinema, but this month TENET might just be that something. I just hope it's not just in multiplexes.

Jez, the haste of going the cinema? It’s supposed to be a leisurely experience, not a chore. Watching something like TENET at home would ruin it, I might as well just google the plot on Wikipedia.

bnt · 05-08-2020 7:51pm

kerplun k wrote: »

Jez, the haste of going the cinema? It’s supposed to be a leisurely experience, not a chore. Watching something like TENET at home would ruin it, I might as well just google the plot on Wikipedia.

I agree it's supposed to be ... but it's usually not for me.

DeWitt · 07-08-2020 7:46pm

So which cinemas in Dublin are currently open? The Lighthouse, Blanchardstown Odeon... anyone else?

pixelburp · 07-08-2020 7:58pm

Don't think the IMC chain is open? Their website listed nothing last time I checked which was about a week ago.

Wonder how many cinemas are going to be affected by the 2 week lockdown of Offaly, Kildare and Laois?

ronano · 07-08-2020 7:58pm

Rathmines Omniplex and Stella cinema

Nigel Fairservice · 07-08-2020 8:03pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Don't think the IMC chain is open? Their website listed nothing last time I checked which was about a week ago.

Wonder how many cinemas are going to be affected by the 2 week lockdown of Offaly, Kildare and Laois?

My local IMC opened for the first time this evening. Friday, Saturday and Sunday I believe for the moment.

pixelburp · 07-08-2020 8:29pm

Nigel Fairservice wrote: »

My local IMC opened for the first time this evening. Friday, Saturday and Sunday I believe for the moment.

Interesting, mustn't be nationwide as my local in Santry remains shut - at least the website lists nothing. Guess it's a phased opening..

Nigel Fairservice · 07-08-2020 10:44pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Interesting, mustn't be nationwide as my local in Santry remains shut - at least the website lists nothing. Guess it's a phased opening..

I think it's just 3 of them for now. I guess they'll see how it goes before making their next move.

santana75 · 08-08-2020 11:33pm

I'm actually enjoying this time at the movies. Getting to see movies I haven't seen in ages on the big screen. Earlier tonight I went to see the dark knight rises which I hadn't seen since its original release. I remember not being too impressed the first time I saw it , I was very much a fan of nolan's non batman Franchise films so didnt really warm to the first two either. But tonight I realised I was wrong, enjoyed this movie so much tonight, saw things in it I just didnt get the first time round.

AMKC · 09-08-2020 10:18am

DeWitt wrote: »

So which cinemas in Dublin are currently open? The Lighthouse, Blanchardstown Odeon... anyone else?

Vue is going to open on the 21st so in time for "Tenet" then. I see they have opened some of there cinema,s in the UK already.

Full_Circle_81 · 09-08-2020 11:25am

kerplun k wrote: »

Jez, the haste of going the cinema? It’s supposed to be a leisurely experience, not a chore. Watching something like TENET at home would ruin it, I might as well just google the plot on Wikipedia.

Thats such an odd thing to say. I get that a lot of films benefit from a big screen experience, but whats to stop people enjoying any movie from the comfort of their own home as well?

There have been plenty of big movies of the years that I couldn't make it to the cinema to see for one reason or another, but still managed to enjoy them on the telly at a later date.

If you saw Tenet in the cinema and loved it, would you never watch it again at home because TVs couldn't do it justice?

kerplun k · 10-08-2020 11:50am

Full_Circle_81 wrote: »

but whats to stop people enjoying any movie from the comfort of their own home as well?

A door bell, a smartphone (billion different notifications), a friend/family member walking into the room, roadworks, a nearby house a alarm, baby crying, etc.

Sure you can stay up late and avoid a lot of this, but the last time I tried this, I was so tired I couldn't properly enjoy it. I tried watching The Irishman at home, and I deeply regret not seeing it in the cinema. I was exhausted watching it at home totally ruined the experience. I never feel like this at the cinema.

I've got a decent set up at home, 60", 4K Bravia, decent sound system, but the keyword missing for me here is, Immersion.

There's other aspects as well, the big screen, the sound, the shared experience, meeting people before it, talking about your expectations, you go into a different mindset that allows you to give a film your undivided attention, I just don't believe (for the majority of people), the cinema experience can be replicated at home. I actually think the streaming model being pushed before the pandemic was adverse to the film industry, which looks like is only gonna intensify now.

flasher0030 · 10-08-2020 1:39pm

kerplun k wrote: »

A door bell, a smartphone (billion different notifications), a friend/family member walking into the room, roadworks, a nearby house a alarm, baby crying, etc.

Sure you can stay up late and avoid a lot of this, but the last time I tried this, I was so tired I couldn't properly enjoy it. I tried watching The Irishman at home, and I deeply regret not seeing it in the cinema. I was exhausted watching it at home totally ruined the experience. I never feel like this at the cinema.

I've got a decent set up at home, 60", 4K Bravia, decent sound system, but the keyword missing for me here is, Immersion.

There's other aspects as well, the big screen, the sound, the shared experience, meeting people before it, talking about your expectations, you go into a different mindset that allows you to give a film your undivided attention, I just don't believe (for the majority of people), the cinema experience can be replicated at home. I actually think the streaming model being pushed before the pandemic was adverse to the film industry, which looks like is only gonna intensify now.

You're way over the top. Of course the cinema experience is better. That's why they charge for it. But it doesn't just mean that all other options to watch a movie are null and void and waste of time. It doesn't have to be a "cinema or nothing" choice. I love the cinema, but in the past 4 months couldn't go. I'd say I've watch about 50 movies in those 4 months. Most have been on laptop with headphones and some streamed on laptop hooked to TV - I'm still a bit oldschool when it comes to hardware.
Anyway, I have enjoyed hours of great entertainment. Some movies have been a bit disappointing, but most have left me satisfied. Of course, I would have enjoyed going to the cinema 50 times in 4 months. But wasn't possible.

And "roadworks"??? preventing you enjoying a movie at home. Unless you're living in the middle of a large construction site, that's been rather dramatic.

kerplun k · 10-08-2020 2:38pm

Just to be clear. I wasn't saying cinema or nothing, nor was I saying it can't be a good experience at home.
Specifically, I was talking about TENET here, a film I really want to see. It would be a travesty not saving this one until cinemas are back open and safe.

I had a day off on Saturday, I wanted to watch Hamilton, halfway through, boom, construction from one of the neighbors getting an attic conversation. That's fine, I turned off, and finished later that evening, it happens. But sometimes I want to to give a film my undivided attention, but when I watch a film at home, its more of a casual viewing experience.

Imagine trying to watch a film like Knives Out or Blade Runner 2049 at home, how many times do you pause it, getting drinks, going the toilet, house phone ringing, etc, you miss the immersion. Sure you still probably still enjoyed it, but its causal, and this kind of viewing just doesn't do some films justice.

I'm in no doubt that when I watch something at home that was indented for the big screen, I'm missing the full experience and if its a film I'm especially psyched about seeing, Id rather wait a couple or years and be part of a collective viewing audience in the cinema, rather than having it just drop on some VOD or streaming platform.

kerplun k · 10-08-2020 2:44pm

flasher0030 wrote: »

You're way over the top. Of course the cinema experience is better. That's why they charge for it.

Disney is charging $30 for Mulan, that's on top of a subscription fee. They're also charging for it. and listen, I'm not begrudging them, at the end of the day its a business and making money has to be a top priority, but regardless whether I'm being charged or not, I still want films to be made that were intended to be viewed in a cinema.

titan18 · 10-08-2020 3:08pm

Do you have to wear masks in the cinema from today?

Omniplex had posted saying when you're in bathrooms or the foyer getting food you had to but ok in the screen, but gov regulations saying masks have to be worn in the cinema.

If I had to wear a mask during the actual film, I'd 100% not be going. I think it'd be rather stupid to have to considering most people would eat and drink during it.

johnny_ultimate · 10-08-2020 3:55pm

titan18 wrote: »

Do you have to wear masks in the cinema from today?

Omniplex had posted saying when you're in bathrooms or the foyer getting food you had to but ok in the screen, but gov regulations saying masks have to be worn in the cinema.

If I had to wear a mask during the actual film, I'd 100% not be going. I think it'd be rather stupid to have to considering most people would eat and drink during it.

Light House is also saying mandatory in the lobbies etc but they can be taken off in the screen as seats are socially distant. You’d imagine they consulted the authorities before announcing these rules

For what it’s worth, I’ve been wearing a mask in the screen for the most part (taking it off if eating or drinking, of course) and it’s been absolutely fine. I know the level of comfort with masks varies, though - personally find a nice reusable cotton one very manageable for extended periods. Although wouldn’t feel uneasy taking it off either given the excellent distancing measures in place for the most part.

flasher0030 · 10-08-2020 3:58pm

Mr.S wrote: »

I recently did, and loved it I guess i'm not as picky, I don't need the full immersion experience to really enjoy a film.

I'll (hopefully) see TENET at the cinema, but I'd still be fine with seeing it at home. Little distractions like getting a drink / phone going off doesn't take me away from the film.

Ya, I love the novelty of the cinema, but would rather watch film on my own at home. Lights out. Can take a ciggie break whenever I want, bathroom when I want. If there is something that I did not fully grasp in the film, can pause to have a quick google without getting spoilers. Can get a drink when I want. Generally don't bother eating during a film, but can if I want.
Can do these and I definately still get immersed in a film. Have my ciggie break, think about what happened, and then back in with excitement for the second half.

Banjaxed82 · 11-08-2020 10:07am

I prefer to watch films as the director intended, which means from start to finish, with ZERO interruptions.

More often than not only the cinema experience can offer me that.

OU812 · 11-08-2020 10:20am

Banjaxed82 wrote: »

I prefer to watch films as the director intended, which means from start to finish, with ZERO interruptions.

More often than not only the cinema experience can offer me that.

Pretty sure the director didn't intend for the first 20 minutes to be an eating competition, constant phone glow & people wandering in and out to the concession stands & toilets.

While I love the cinema & miss it, there's a lot I don't love about it.

Some of my best cinema experience have been when I've been lucky enough to be the only person there or among a handful of well spaced out individuals (early morning shows), but that's not a great business model.

Cinema as we know it is dead for the next couple of years (at least). Short of an incredible scientific breakthrough in the next few months, there's many exhibitors not going to survive.

Now if you book two seats, they've to book out the two left, right, front & back of you. That's just 20% capacity. Totally unsustainable. Only option is to increase prices & prices were already reasonably high, so you're going to lose a whole section of your customers who cant or won't pay an increase, which will lead to more piracy.

Best option for studios is to build a robust streaming platform & have a decent price. $20-$25 seems to be the sweet spot that's acceptable.

Full_Circle_81 · 11-08-2020 2:43pm

I completely understand where everyone is coming from in regards to the "cinema experience".
In an ideal world, the cinema is still the best place to experience movies. You have the dark room, surround sound, giant screen, big comfy chairs. Its hard to beat! And in pre-Covid times, I would always make the effort to see all the big-screen movies in the cinema wherever possible

But as I get older, I find myself more and more put off by other people in the cinema. Whether its people checking their phones and lighting up the darkness with the screen, people constantly coming and going to the toilet or get more snacks, people talking throughout the whole movie, kicking the chairs from behind (why?!

), or being unfortunate enough to be stuck behind some ten foot giant with his head and shoulders poking up into the bottom-half of the movie screen.

Some of this can't be avoided (toilet breaks, food breaks, being a giant), but I really do feel like a lot of people these days have zero respect for others in the cinema (more disposable income, so its less of a "special event" now for people perhaps?) and the talking throughout the movie is the one that really grinds my gears the most :mad:

I know not everyone is in the same position, but I live alone, so can eliminate practically all distractions before watching a film at home. I stream, record and rent movies all the time and would never say that seeing a film at home ruined the experience for me.

OU812 · 11-08-2020 3:01pm

Full_Circle_81 wrote: »

I live alone, so can eliminate practically all distractions before watching a film at home. I stream, record and rent movies all the time and would never say that seeing a film at home ruined the experience for me.

That's the dream man !!!

I'm going to get this blown up to life size, cut out the bottom part of it & mount it half way between me & the TV.

CinemaGuy45 · 11-08-2020 5:23pm

Full_Circle_81 wrote: »

I completely understand where everyone is coming from in regards to the "cinema experience".
In an ideal world, the cinema is still the best place to experience movies. You have the dark room, surround sound, giant screen, big comfy chairs. Its hard to beat! And in pre-Covid times, I would always make the effort to see all the big-screen movies in the cinema wherever possible

But as I get older, I find myself more and more put off by other people in the cinema. Whether its people checking their phones and lighting up the darkness with the screen, people constantly coming and going to the toilet or get more snacks, people talking throughout the whole movie, kicking the chairs from behind (why?! ), or being unfortunate enough to be stuck behind some ten foot giant with his head and shoulders poking up into the bottom-half of the movie screen.

Some of this can't be avoided (toilet breaks, food breaks, being a giant), but I really do feel like a lot of people these days have zero respect for others in the cinema (more disposable income, so its less of a "special event" now for people perhaps?) and the talking throughout the movie is the one that really grinds my gears the most :mad:

I know not everyone is in the same position, but I live alone, so can eliminate practically all distractions before watching a film at home. I stream, record and rent movies all the time and would never say that seeing a film at home ruined the experience for me.

I have come to hate the cinema for the reasons above.

Mr Crispy · 11-08-2020 5:30pm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I have come to hate the cinema for the reasons above.

Time to change your username!

McDermotX · 12-08-2020 8:57am

I see Vue are putting 3 seats between viewers (at least horizontally, probably gonna have the lad behind you coughing and spluttering all over ya).
Of course, they're gonna have to control the lobby etc - losing the food and drink would be a good start (albeit crippling in a business sense - not that not being open isn't already).

SteM · 12-08-2020 9:56am

McDermotX wrote: »

I see Vue are putting 3 seats between viewers (at least horizontally, probably gonna have the lad behind you coughing and spluttering all over ya).

Can't belive they'd do a 3 seat gap between booked seats but let someone sit directly behind booked seats.

I'd imagine they'll follow Dundrum's booking pattern of not allowing people to book directly in front or behind another booked seat or group of seats. So like in the attachment, someone has booked E3-E6 so rows D and F are effectively closed apart from seat 1 in each row. I think the lighthouse are only selling evey second row too?

CastorTroy · 12-08-2020 10:05am

One advantage of home is the film fits on the screen.

I don't see how, with the size of the screen in cinemas, they never fit the whole film on. I remember some films that contained subtitles in parts and I could either see the subs on the curtain below the screen or could just see 1 line on the screen where the subs ran for 2 lines.

And they spend so long adjusting and readjusting the film at the start that you have to wonder why it wasn't set from the previous screening. Of course the 15 minutes of ads always work grand

Going to the Cinema during Covid

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