General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

TitianGerm · 21-08-2020 2:55pm

Baggly wrote: »

'I cant tell you what they were telling us. But it was swear words.'

Im not a Utd loyalist but im not encouraged by the police side of the story based on this account.

Most likely they won't report the words when making a press release.

davemckenna25 · 21-08-2020 2:55pm

DVDM93 wrote: »

an interesting choice of words posted 10 minutes ago on Manchester United Football Club Official Twitter account.

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/1296781093077581825?s=20

I think that was a very good post by United. If found to be guilty there is no way the club should try to defend him.
Incorrect behaviour by a player or staff should never be accepted and condoned by the club.

Shanotheslayer · 21-08-2020 2:55pm

TitianGerm wrote: »

Most likely they won't report the words when making a press release.

That was my understanding

TitianGerm · 21-08-2020 2:58pm

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

That was my understanding

Exactly. The police don't go to the press and say we arrested Shano because he hit an officer and during the arrest he called us pigs and f**king b***tards.

DVDM93 · 21-08-2020 3:01pm

bribery mentioned here.

https://twitter.com/BBCRMsport/status/1296804406281801728?s=20

Mitch Connor · 21-08-2020 3:02pm

Maguire is denying it all, so will see what comes of it all in the end.

Would expect Police were called for a reason, and Maguire was involved, but maybe (hopefully) not to the extent the police statements would imply.

Shame he isn't in the UK, he could claim it was just proactive self defence and get away with it.

Baggly · 21-08-2020 3:04pm

TitianGerm wrote: »

Exactly. The police don't go to the press and say we arrested Shano because he hit an officer and during the arrest he called us pigs and f**king b***tards.

So say 'he was swearing at us in English'. Not 'i cant tell you what he said but he basically said this'.

Could be a translation issue i suppose.

Agent Coulson · 21-08-2020 3:04pm

A new center back might be more important for Man U now than Sancho in the transfer market.

TitianGerm · 21-08-2020 3:06pm

Baggly wrote: »

So say 'he was swearing at us in English'. Not 'i cant tell you what he said but he basically said this'.

Could be a translation issue i suppose.

I'd say it's lost in translation. They could have said "I won't repeat what he said" and it was translated as "I can't tell you what he said"

21-08-2020 3:17pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Maguire is denying it all, so will see what comes of it all in the end.

Would expect Police were called for a reason, and Maguire was involved, but maybe (hopefully) not to the extent the police statements would imply.

Shame he isn't in the UK, he could claim it was just proactive self defence and get away with it.

Without knowing what happened here, not sure why you'd claim self defence

Maybe it was self defence? Who knows. Maybe it was assault on an officer as they are implying. My guess is his involvement isnt as as big as the tabloids say.

We'll know soon.Still can't believe some sort of footage isn't leaked yet tbh.

yourdeadwright · 21-08-2020 3:24pm

TitianGerm wrote: »

I'd say it's lost in translation. They could have said "I won't repeat what he said" and it was translated as "I can't tell you what he said"

Kicking and punching is pretty universal

Although that problem occurred after the commutation problems,

Its mad because Harry doesn't seem the type does he,
Some players your not surprised at but Harry seems quite calm ,although I'd imagines he's not full of pints on the pitch even if it looks that way sometimes

Fitz* · 21-08-2020 3:45pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Maguire is denying it all, so will see what comes of it all in the end.

Would expect Police were called for a reason, and Maguire was involved, but maybe (hopefully) not to the extent the police statements would imply.

Shame he isn't in the UK, he could claim it was just proactive self defence and get away with it.

Even if he does deny it all, the incident happened.

Maybe it one or two of his friends in the group who hit and kicked the police officer and not actually Harry Maguire. All of them got arrested together. But will Harry let one of his friends take the blame for all of their actions or will they all go down together?

gimli2112 · 21-08-2020 3:49pm

The police have been known to embellish their side of things so I wouldn't be too hasty to condemn. I have however seen Midnight Express and would be very worried if I was Maguire.

Agent Coulson · 21-08-2020 3:49pm

Fitz* wrote: »

Even if he does deny it all, the incident happened.

Maybe it one or two of his friends in the group who hit and kicked the police officer and not actually Harry Maguire. All of them got arrested together. But will Harry let one of his friends take the blame for all of their actions or will they all go down together?

His mates might take the jail time for a nice retirement fund.

martyos121 · 21-08-2020 3:56pm

Fitz* wrote:

But will Harry let one of his friends take the blame for all of their actions or will they all go down together?

Without hesitation, I would guess. And to be honest, I'd expect every footballer to do the same, not that its right.

Thats not to say he's actually done anything, I'm not entirely convinced by those police quotes.

marklazarcovic · 21-08-2020 3:59pm

well the cops are are adamant a footballer was involved,maybe he was with another well known english footballer

Cookiemunster · 21-08-2020 4:08pm

marklazarcovic wrote: »

well the cops are are adamant a footballer was involved,maybe he was with another well known english footballer

Well it wasn't Rashford if that's where you're going. It's already been confirmed that they were together during the day, but didn't go out together that night.

21-08-2020 4:42pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

His mates might take the jail time for a nice retirement fund.

This isnt a movie, if the Police say McGuire did something then his mates cant turn around and say it was them,

Baggly · 21-08-2020 4:50pm

Deleted User wrote:

This isnt a movie, if the Police say McGuire did something then his mates cant turn around and say it was them,

He said in the middle of Contagion, House of Cards and The Day after tomorrow playing out in real life.

Agent Coulson · 21-08-2020 4:52pm

Deleted User wrote: »

This isnt a movie, if the Police say McGuire did something then his mates cant turn around and say it was them,

BBC are reporting attempted bribery of an employee along with assault so yup nothing like a movie at all.

21-08-2020 4:55pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

BBC are reporting attempted bribery of an employee so yup nothing like a movie.

What has that got to do with Police saying McGuire did something and your claim his mates will just cop to it?

If he did do whats being said he should be in a lot of trouble.

Agent Coulson · 21-08-2020 4:56pm

Deleted User wrote: »

What has that got to do with Police saying McGuire did something and your claim his mates will just cop to it?

If he did do whats being said he should be in a lot of trouble.

Bribing the police/ witnesses to say it is his mates maybe?

DVDM93 · 21-08-2020 5:09pm

https://twitter.com/utdreport/status/1296823697643380737?s=20

Harry Palmr · 21-08-2020 5:11pm

Redcafe is now a hive of conspiracy theories. You'd imagine someone must have some blurry video of this. Maybe they have a deal with one of the less reliable newspapers for a big splash tomorrow.

21-08-2020 5:14pm

Why would anyone sell to the papers, when they could just go get a better deal from ED.

They might have to wait a few weeks longer but they'd get it

TitianGerm · 21-08-2020 5:23pm

DVDM93 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/utdreport/status/1296823697643380737?s=20

Comment in that thread -

Maguire has more arrests (1) than United have trophies in the last three years.(0)

Harry Palmr · 21-08-2020 5:30pm

If the bare bones of the allegations are correct then you'd have wonder how this will proceed. Would he basically get massive fined and a suspended sentence with maybe a barring order to never return to Greece and then kick him out. That would be the easiest for the authorities in many regards, if formal charges are pressed then he'll get bail and return to Manchester and will have to be treated as innocent until proven otherwise but this could be hanging over him for goodness knows how long. The club would have to stand by him really during this period. If he were found guilty and not jailed then United will have a very big decision to make.

8-10 · 21-08-2020 5:34pm

If they're really alleging he kicked a police officer on the ground that won't play out well. You know a prosecutor is going to argue that a kick is a violent offence on it's own, but this is a man who is payed professional wages to kick a ball so he is trained to kick harder than the average person. Same sort of thing the bring out when it's a punch from a boxer.

DVDM93 · 21-08-2020 5:39pm

8-10 wrote: »

If they're really alleging he kicked a police officer on the ground that won't play out well. You know a prosecutor is going to argue that a kick is a violent offence on it's own, but this is a man who is payed professional wages to kick a ball so he is trained to kick harder than the average person. Same sort of thing the bring out when it's a punch from a boxer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08CeZm90bio

Liam O · 21-08-2020 5:50pm

TitianGerm wrote: »

Comment in that thread -

Maguire has more arrests (1) than United have trophies in the last three years.(0)

Bigger than a league win for some it seems alright.

TitianGerm · 21-08-2020 6:04pm

Liam O wrote: »

Bigger than a league win for some it seems alright.

Can't see anyone saying that? People are discussing/joking
about something topical that is related to the PL.

Gbear · 21-08-2020 8:06pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Redcafe is now a hive of conspiracy theories. You'd imagine someone must have some blurry video of this. Maybe they have a deal with one of the less reliable newspapers for a big splash tomorrow.

As if you'd need to engineer a conspiracy to make Utd underperform.

DVDM93 · 21-08-2020 10:31pm

https://twitter.com/utdreport/status/1296911231375245315?s=20

eigrod · 22-08-2020 12:37pm

https://twitter.com/choria80/status/1297129641069740032?s=21

davemckenna25 · 22-08-2020 12:46pm

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/harry-maguire-daisy-man-utd-22561525

So Harry Maguire was protecting his younger sister who was stabbed in the arm.
No wonder he was annoyed and reacted.

Good to see that cleared up.

Turtyturd · 22-08-2020 12:49pm

Did the police stab her?

22-08-2020 12:50pm

davemckenna25 wrote: »

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/harry-maguire-daisy-man-utd-22561525

So Harry Maguire was protecting his younger sister who was stabbed in the arm.
No wonder he was annoyed and reacted.

Good to see that cleared up.

If it's cleared up why is there a court case?

Also, what about an alleged assault on a police officer?

davemckenna25 · 22-08-2020 12:52pm

Turtyturd wrote: »

Did the police stab her?

I doubt it but not mentioned in the article.
Not sure where you are going with it that. If it the alleged shouting abuse at the police maybe they weren't arresting the person who stabbed or or weren't getting her help.
Very hard to blame him for protecting his sister ..... but I'm sure some will find a way! :rolleyes:

TitianGerm · 22-08-2020 12:53pm

davemckenna25 wrote: »

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/harry-maguire-daisy-man-utd-22561525

So Harry Maguire was protecting his younger sister who was stabbed in the arm.
No wonder he was annoyed and reacted.

Good to see that cleared up.

Well that explains why he was involved in a fight but doesn't excuse the fact he allegedly hit and verbally abused police officers.

He'll be charged if he did hit them and be issued with a large fine.

Turtyturd · 22-08-2020 12:54pm

I’d expect the ‘lost in translation’ excuse for the attempted bribery to be along any second now.

davemckenna25 · 22-08-2020 12:59pm

:D
Lots of posters on here trying to make as much as they can out of this... work away lads. Try to look at the facts and wait for the official outcome before you call for the lynch mob.
I'm sure the official story will come out during the court appearance on Tuesday, where he will be represented while he returns to the UK.
Can't be that serious if hes allowed to leave the country.
Lets just hope its nothing too serious... like hopefully no evidence of biting or racial abuse...... because it would be very hard to defend that sort of behaviour.

gimli2112 · 22-08-2020 1:06pm

Harry was accused of assaulting an officer of the law, attempted corruption of a government official and criminal defending on the night of 16th August.

Shanotheslayer · 22-08-2020 1:08pm

Curious to see what his sister was "Stabbed" with. Seems so clickbaity obviously wasn't a knife and the fact no other mention of it hardly indicates towards something serious.

giveitholly · 22-08-2020 1:09pm

gimli2112 wrote: »

Harry was accused of assaulting an officer of the law, attempted corruption of a government official and criminal defending on the night of 16th August.

Presume because he is allowed return home he will just get a slap on the wrists and a fine

gimli2112 · 22-08-2020 1:17pm

giveitholly wrote: »

Presume because he is allowed return home he will just get a slap on the wrists and a fine

I wouldn't expect anymore. As was mentioned Gerrard was in a similar incident before, so was John Terry. I expect the "assault" was a shove or something similar, if not we'd have heard more by now. The bribery is novel but again relatively minor, I imagine.
It's highly embarrassing and very entertaining for rival fans but that's about it.

8-10 · 22-08-2020 1:32pm

davemckenna25 wrote: »

"QUOTES TABLOID"

Good to see that cleared up.

davemckenna25 wrote: »

Try to look at the facts and wait for the official outcome

Hmm...

marklazarcovic · 22-08-2020 1:38pm

8-10 wrote: »

Hmm...

I did laugh at the irony I must admit

DVDM93 · 22-08-2020 1:48pm

Turtyturd wrote: »

I’d expect the ‘lost in translation’ excuse for the attempted bribery to be along any second now.

“In fact, he asked without knowing naturally the procedures in Greece, what should be the amount (penalty) that he should pay, as is the case in England in similar cases, in order for the incident to end and for everyone to leave the department.

According to the report, a misunderstanding of the moment and misunderstanding ended up accusing Maguire of a case of attempted bribery of the police, who was surprised and shocked by the way the case took.”

Agent Coulson · 22-08-2020 1:49pm

Could you imagine the Daily Mail and other tabloid headlines if this was player of colour involved.

RasTa · 22-08-2020 1:51pm

What colour?

General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

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