Honestly, what do you think about Season 8? Mod warning post #1/#410

eagle eye wrote: »

Danys destroying Westeros was in line with something the mad king would do.
Jon Snow was the only person who could get close enough to kill her.

I feel I need to repost some of what I just said as you aren't quite grasping it mate.

Kirby wrote: »

Dany burning kings landing to the ground.
Jon killing her.

None of these ideas are terrible ones. But the execution of them was horrendous.

The idea is sound. The execution was not. So just repeating "Oh yeah well some of this made sense" is missing the point. GRRM gave them a vague outline for the ending, minus Arya killing the NK as that was their own invention. They had an outline....they royally ****ed up in the telling of it.

There are several truly excellent breakdowns on youtube explaining how if you still doubt it.

Don't know how anyone can genuinely claim that people are only annoyed by the ending because it didn't turn out how they wanted when plenty of things happened throughout the series that people didn't want to see happen and audiences actually delighted in it for the most part. Who wanted Ned to die? Or Robb Stark? Or Oberyn Martell? Nobody. All of those characters were fan favourites who audiences rooted for at some point. Nobody wanted to see them die, but it still made narrative sense that they went when they did and audiences enjoyed these choices because the groundwork had been laid with character and plot development to make sure that it worked.
Trying to frame it like "typical millenials crying again" is complete bs when you look back on how certain plot twists and such were handled and received by audiences in the past.

Greatest of all time?

not a chance.

Sopranos is the GOAT and it's nowhere near that.

beauf wrote: »

In terms of figures and stats I think GOT broke every record sopranos set.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tonifitzgerald/2019/05/20/game-of-thrones-finale-by-the-numbers-all-the-shows-ratings-records/#2e04b9af5f73

it's a different world now, if the Sopranos was released now it would pi$$ all over everything imo

RiCriostoir wrote: »

I've seen a lot of complaints about it on Facebook, Twitter and Reddit. But personally I don't see anything wrong with Season 8, and feel as if the directors are doing a good job on it. It does feel a small bit rushed but the CGI is amazing.

What do yous think?

Just finished it and thought it was great. Don't understand all the bollocks talk that's gone on about, it to be honest and it sounds like people whining just for the sake of it, in the main. Went on the web to find out why some people were disappointed and found nothing that stood up as reasonable.

Could there have been slight improvements here and there? Possibly. But everything can be improved.

One of the greatest television shows ever produced.

I've yet to see a cogent argument as to why this series or any of the show was "crap".

LOL.

"Entire internet". :pac:

MOH wrote: »

Given your vast internet research has failed to provide you with the slightest inkling of why a lot of people felt very differently, and you dismiss any differing opinions as "unreasonable whining", I'm not sure why you expect anyone here to waste their time addressing your question.

Still, I'm willing to give it a go with a detailed response.

It was crap. Dreck. Rubbish. One of the most idiotic ways any show has ever wrapped up. Jon Snow waterskiing over a dragon would have been marginally less inane. Muck. Inconsistent tripe.
A vomitous, bile-filled, pustulent sore which should be compulsory watching for any aspiring TV writers, who should be a locked in a room and forced to endure it so nobody else ever has to suffer such a wreck of a show again.

It was really, really, bad. I think that about sums it up.

That's not a detailed response. It's just more silly words without any real content.

Why is it "crap"?

Why is it "Dreck"?

etc.

Seriously, I don't mind an actual detailed argument as to why someone thought something was bad. If people think it's bad. Fine. But the whys are always lacking.

And no, something like "It was "rushed" (one of the most common complaints) is not an argument. That's a feeling. I myself, didn't feel the rushed, to be honest. But that might be due to the fact that I watched S8 soon after S7. So, to me, it's like one long S7 rather than two series.

Also, "It was really, really, bad." is not an argument either. That's just a statement and it doesn't "sum" anything up.

Nody wrote: »

You may think GoT season 8 was brilliant; you are in a very very small minority

If this is aimed at me, I don't care.

Nody wrote: »

and the other group includes everything from lore buffs to series producers to professional reviewers

I couldn't care less about this either.

I have no investment in 'Game of Thrones' except as a TV Show. I've never read the books and have no intention to. The "lore" is only what I've seen on the show. So, my only entertainment basis is in that. I don't bring any baggage to the television outing and, as such it remained very good throughout its run for me. I can't compare it to another medium.

But so far, from what I've seen, none of the "it's crap" merchants have detailed why they think it's that way. It's all just a load of statements and feelings littered around the web as "fact". But not actually backed up with anything.

If people think something is "crap". That's fine. I'd like to know why though and that's been woefully shortcoming.

The usual complaints seem to be things like it was "rushed". I didn't feel it was rushed. In fact S8 had the same running time as S6 and nobody said that S6 was "rushed". The "rushed" thing comes from people looking at the episode number and not the screen time. If people feel it was "rushed", then so be it. But that's just a feeling, not a fact.

Also, some people are complaining about Daenerys "sudden" about face where there was none. Her napalming Kings Landing made perfect sense to me. To me she was always a power hungry bitch, teetering on the edge of lunacy and possessing a psychopathic desire to sit on the Iron Throne while getting people to "bend the knee".

"I'll take what is mine by fire and blood".

People are whining too about Jaime Lanister's ending, who, in actual fact, got the death he desired, even if it wasn't the one that some fans wanted for him. He died "in the arms of the woman" he loved.

ad nauseam...

So far, what I've seen passing as "criticism" can be countered very easily and a lot of it amounts to some people just not getting the endings that they written themselves. Such as Arya killing the Night King and not Jon Snow.

That doesn't mean that the show is flawless. Far from it. But nothing's flawless. The absolute worst thing for me in the entire show was Jon Snow's fake death. That was just rubbish, like all fake out deaths are.

Nody wrote: »

the expected spin offs (6+ of them) all now appear to be cancelled.

Good. Spins off's rarely work. ('Better Call Saul' being a notable exception).

https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/

Good starting points but there's PLENTY more.

I kinda forgot about making my own point I guess. Watching videos is tough for you?

I think the actors themselves laughing at the quality of the tripe we were fed is indicative enough but sure.

It makes sense to you that someone with no sword training can hold off a load of wights with the only explanation that the scene cut away. Same with all of the main characters surviving being swarmed by them, including Sam who was on the ground being overrun by them?

Dothraki multiplication after they all ran to their deaths but sure I guess they kind of forgot about that. The worst battle plan there's ever been from the minds that brought you the battle of the blackwater, the wildlings attack on the wall and the siege of Riverrun. But sure I guess they kind of forgot how to plan battles?

Dany obviously kind of forgot about the iron fleet which led to one of her dragons being killed. Of course a dragon is no match for a giant arrow.

Cersei in the next episode had a load of scorpions outside the walls. I guess she kind of forgot that giant arrows are no match for a dragon.

Missandei's capture? How did that work? She was in the cabin downstairs and everyone else swam to shore? Why does Cersei know that Missandei is not just a translator to Dany?

I guess the night king kind of forgot that he was bringing winter because the weather wasn't as bad as it was when Stannis was marching south and his army was falling apart.

These are some things that just immediately popped into my head. There are hundreds of other issues. I don't see how anyone would not be able to see them.

Liam O wrote: »

I kinda forgot about making my own point I guess. Watching videos is tough for you?

I think the actors themselves laughing at the quality of the tripe we were fed is indicative enough but sure.

It makes sense to you that someone with no sword training can hold off a load of wights with the only explanation that the scene cut away. Same with all of the main characters surviving being swarmed by them, including Sam who was on the ground being overrun by them?

Dothraki multiplication after they all ran to their deaths but sure I guess they kind of forgot about that. The worst battle plan there's ever been from the minds that brought you the battle of the blackwater, the wildlings attack on the wall and the siege of Riverrun. But sure I guess they kind of forgot how to plan battles?

Dany obviously kind of forgot about the iron fleet which led to one of her dragons being killed. Of course a dragon is no match for a giant arrow.

Cersei in the next episode had a load of scorpions outside the walls. I guess she kind of forgot that giant arrows are no match for a dragon.

Missandei's capture? How did that work? She was in the cabin downstairs and everyone else swam to shore? Why does Cersei know that Missandei is not just a translator to Dany?

I guess the night king kind of forgot that he was bringing winter because the weather wasn't as bad as it was when Stannis was marching south and his army was falling apart.

These are some things that just immediately popped into my head. There are hundreds of other issues. I don't see how anyone would not be able to see them.

Maybe not all the Dothraki charged and not all them died.

Daenerys wasn't expecting the Iron Fleet to be armed with ballistas.

As for the arrow/dragon thing - an unsuspecting aerial target is shot out of the sky. Just like unsuspecting aerial targets are shot out of the sky in real life. Most pilots never know what hit them.

As for the dragon/arrow thing - an alerted aerial target is much harder to hit. Just like in real life.

Missandrei was picked out of the water after her ship went down. Happens in real life all the time. And it wouldn't matter to Cersei what function she served.

The night King, literally, brings a storm with him.

Haha yeah I was supposed to say they kinda forgot where Kings Landing was.

The circumstances around those ballistas taking out the dragon from literal miles away was an absolute joke too. 'unsuspecting'? They are in the air and a fleet is hiding behind a rock. Dany also doesn't burn them there after Rhaegal dies because of reasons unknown. The whole thing is a joke. Varys goes from loyal subject to treasonous in one episode. Motivations change to suit logistics rather than the narrative.

My petulance knows no bounds, the above defences are bizarre.

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, that's certainly a continuity flaw there. You'll get little argument from most people on that.

osarusan wrote: »

Nowhere in the episode was it mentioned that this wasn't all the Dothraki.

And nowhere is it mentioned that it is either.

We don't know what percentage of forces have been committed. We don't know what's in reserve either.

If something like that ISN'T expressed, then it will naturally leave it open for interpretation.

A bigger sin in that scene was the head on charge by what was essentially light cavalry. Something that in real life, wouldn't have been used so early in a pitched battle, and would have been committed to the flanks.

But, battle tactics have never been a particularly strong point of the show long before S8. Nor is it ever that strong in fantasy fiction in the first place.

Tony EH wrote: »

Well, that's certainly a continuity flaw there. You'll get little argument from most people on that.

A continuity flaw?
Lol.

Tbh, something like that sums up why the last two seasons were garbage. They just absolutely couldn't be arsed adhering to the universe they actually created. You don't just forget that king's landing is nowhere near a desert. You decide that you want a big battle outside it's walls and that you couldn't be arsed with the logistical nightmare of creating one in the landscape that actually exists there so you just change it. Just like they decided they wanted the NK to break through the wall with a dragon so you just make Jon Snow go north of the wall for the most incomprehensible reason when his established character would never dream of doing such a foolish thing. In other words you just change him. Or you want to Dany to torch a load of innocent people so you just click your fingers and change her from someone who always defended the weak to someone who just says "Ah ****, imma gonna roast alive thousands of innocent people."
And they're just the obvious examples. See also my post on this thread on the neutering of John Snow.

All of these are massive acts of disrespect to the universe that had been painstakingly and patiently built over a decade. And even if viewers can't articulate it, they feel it and at the very least it leaves them feeling less invested because they recognise that the universe has been undermined.

Tbh, it's one of the greatest acts of cultural sabotage that I can think of. That's nice that you liked it but I can only assume you were never actually invested in the show and just enjoyed the bits of action.

Mousewar wrote: »

A continuity flaw?
Lol.

LOLOLOOOL



Yes. A continuity flaw. Get over it.

If it wrecks it for you, I don't care.

Mousewar wrote: »

Tbh, it's one of the greatest acts of cultural sabotage that I can think of.

Oh for fuck sake. It's bleedin television show.

Jesus wept.