Public servants' inability to afford to pay rent in Dublin.

klaaaz · 29-11-2018 12:18am

Allinall wrote: »

So- no policies.

We have an open and competitive property market.

So called “outside vulture funds” are given no advantage over any other buyers.

Can you show any specific policies from government that contradicts that?

Really? Outside vulture funds are quite wealthy.

Allinall - I bid 400k on that 1 bed apt
REIT - we bid 450k
Allinall - I bid 460k, damn bank won't lend me above this anymore.
REIT - we bid 500k
REIT - we win the bid and won the apt, we'll rent it out to Allinall at maximum rate!! The other bidders who just want a roof over their heads will just have to migrate 200km away or rent from us like Allinall at 2000pm!!

Allinall · 29-11-2018 12:21am

klaaaz wrote: »

Really? Outside vulture funds are quite wealthy.

Allinall - I bid 400k on that 1 bed apt
REIT - we bid 450k
Allinall - I bid 460k, damn bank won't lend me above this anymore.
REIT - we bid 500k
REIT - we win the bid and won the apt, we'll rent it out to Allinall at maximum rate!! The other bidders who just want a roof over their heads will just have to migrate 200km away or rent from us like Allinall at 2000pm!!

So what specific government policy enabled that to happen?

dotsman · 29-11-2018 12:23am

klaaaz wrote: »

Actually SF and "friends" have only "ruled" there if thats a name in the last few years. The absolute power rules with FFG in government, they have directed policy which enabled REIT's to buy up thousands of homes and charged whatever rent they want with them.

Dublin city council have always been dominated by the left, and Dublin city planning has always been to prioritise low-density intercity council housing over the needs of the city and its inhabitants. The government have no power over local planning, so your wasting your time and breath trying to blame them (short of asking them to remove power from the councils and deal with planning at a national level)

It has NOTHING to do with REIT, Vulture funds, greedy landlords, banks or any other bogeyman. There is, and has been for the last 30 years, a critical shortage of suitable housing for a modern city in Dublin. That has and will continue to manifest itself in house prices, rent prices, booms, crashes, homeless crisis etc depending on external factors (often government interference), but they are all symptoms of the same underlying Sinn Fein & Friends led crisis.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 29-11-2018 12:27am

klaaaz wrote: »

Actually SF and "friends" have only "ruled" there if thats a name in the last few years. The absolute power rules with FFG in government, they have directed policy which enabled REIT's to buy up thousands of homes and charged whatever rent they want with them.

REITS are not setting market rents in Dublin. The vast majority of landlords are small time and they dominate the market, and therefore prices.

And the government has brought in laws to stop people charging whatever rent they want.

uck51js9zml2yt · 29-11-2018 12:28am

limnam wrote: »

While they were secure in the fact they would not lose their job

While they moaned and whined about the cuts as their employer was crippled in debt

While they moaned and whined about having to contribute to their _own_ pensions.

Now you want a round applause for getting up off your h*le?

Are you for real?

I spent 25 years in the private sector.made redundant twice in 3 years. Paid into my own pension when I was on enough money to be able to pay into it, was expected to work 70 hour weeks and questioned when i went home on time....so what's your point??

klaaaz · 29-11-2018 12:37am

dotsman wrote: »

Dublin city council have always been dominated by the left, and Dublin city planning has always been to prioritise low-density intercity council housing over the needs of the city and its inhabitants. The government have no power over local planning, so your wasting your time and breath trying to blame them (short of asking them to remove power from the councils and deal with planning at a national level)

It has NOTHING to do with REIT, Vulture funds, greedy landlords, banks or any other bogeyman. There is, and has been for the last 30 years, a critical shortage of suitable housing for a modern city in Dublin. That has and will continue to manifest itself in house prices, rent prices, booms, crashes, homeless crisis etc depending on external factors (often government interference), but they are all symptoms of the same underlying Sinn Fein & Friends led crisis.

Really? The govt have starved the councils of money to fund housing. You've fallen into the classic FFG blame game. REIT's facilitated by the govt have bought up thousands of homes, that cannot be neglected. They have influenced rents greatly at the detriment of everyone. Profit for greed! You cannot blame SF who have minimal power and yet FFG control the govt, mindboggling!

klaaaz · 29-11-2018 12:40am

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

REITS are not setting market rents in Dublin. The vast majority of landlords are small time and they dominate the market, and therefore prices.

And the government has brought in laws to stop people charging whatever rent they want.

REIT's have bought up thousands of homes, that's the majority in any city. They have ignored FFG rental controls and continued to charge what they want to. Stop being so naive, everyone who rents is affected by FFG policies.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 29-11-2018 1:06am

klaaaz wrote: »

REIT's have bought up thousands of homes, that's the majority in any city. They have ignored FFG rental controls and continued to charge what they want to. Stop being so naive, everyone who rents is affected by FFG policies.

There’s no way that REITs are a majority of rental owners in this city. If you have a source for that link it.

Edit:

Good article here on the type of landlord in Dublin

https://www.dublininquirer.com/2018/03/07/mick-landlords-aren-t-fleeing-the-market-in-droves

29-11-2018 1:28am

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

There’s no way that REITs are a majority of rental owners in this city. If you have a source for that link it.

Not a hope.

IT article here says IRES is the largest REIT in the country and its got about 2500 apartments in Dublin. In a country of about 2 million houses and apartments its a drop in the ocean.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/ires-reit-and-the-concept-of-good-timing-1.3511732

29-11-2018 1:35am

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Good article here on the type of landlord in Dublin

https://www.dublininquirer.com/2018/03/07/mick-landlords-aren-t-fleeing-the-market-in-droves

Interesting article but just rattling through some of his links here on the RTB website there is something I am quite surprised to see.

Both the number of tenancies and the number of landlords has dropped between Q3 '17 and Q3 '18.

Strange if so much money is to be easily made and not a good sign.

https://onestopshop.rtb.ie/images/uploads/Registration/Reg_Q3_2018.pdf

Naos · 29-11-2018 1:42am

Deleted User wrote: »

The best thing about all 304,472 public servants in this state is that they all pay 60% tax on everything they're paid above €34,550.

They pay 60% tax on earnings above €35.5k?

spurious wrote: »

The starting rate for a teacher is neither here nor there if they cannot get full-time positions, which has been the case for years. Older teachers retire and their job is split into three.

Suddenly people can't afford rent? Hardly a surprise on a 1/3 or less of a full salary.

political analyst wrote: »

Teaching is a clear example of a profession in which job vacancies in cities cannot be filled because of high rents.

Sorry lads - are ye saying that jobs can't be filled or are ye saying there are no jobs?

29-11-2018 2:23am

Naos wrote: »

They pay 60% tax on earnings above €35.5k?

Yes. Add the PRD (10.5%) on to PAYE, USC, PRSI and whatever else they pay and all public sector employees are taking home only 40% of everything they earn above €34, 550.

sallydolly40 · 29-11-2018 3:00am

Maybe this was mentioned prior so forgive me if I didnt read back the bickering so far.

Do I think public servants should be paid more to work in Dublin? NO

If you can't afford the rent dont move there.

If you had no choice? I bet you did.

If your mommy/daddy wont let you stay with them. blame them

29-11-2018 9:41am

sallydolly40 wrote: »

Maybe this was mentioned prior so forgive me if I didnt read back the bickering so far.

Do I think public servants should be paid more to work in Dublin? NO

If you can't afford the rent dont move there.

If you had no choice? I bet you did.

If your mommy/daddy wont let you stay with them. blame them

yeah nobody has said that on the 20 pages you couldnt be bothered to read, congrats

facehugger99 · 29-11-2018 10:02am

dotsman wrote: »

but they are all symptoms of the same underlying Sinn Fein & Friends led crisis.

Of course they are.

The more affluent and educated a person is, the less likely they are to vote for SF and their ilk.

It's not surprising their policies, if implemented at a national level, would bankrupt the country and plunge us all into poverty.

4ensic15 · 29-11-2018 10:07am

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Interesting article but just rattling through some of his links here on the RTB website there is something I am quite surprised to see.

Both the number of tenancies and the number of landlords has dropped between Q3 '17 and Q3 '18.

Strange if so much money is to be easily made and not a good sign.

https://onestopshop.rtb.ie/images/uploads/Registration/Reg_Q3_2018.pdf

That article doesn't explain that some of the increase in the number of regsitrations is due to a change in the categories registered as well as enforcement activity. Also the proportion of landlords buying for cash may be true but it doesn't state that for every 1 landlord buying in, there are 2 getting out. Also doesn't allow for the fact that rented properties are more efficientlt used than owner occupier. I find the article unbalanced and appears to be driven by an agenda. There are now fewer landlords and fewer tenants. Some of this may be explained by tenants becoming owner occupiers after buying from landlords and some by a move to Airbnb. Given the increased rate of household formation, it is no surpise that rents are getting higher and there is more homelessness.

cgcsb · 29-11-2018 10:42am

Electric Sheep wrote: »

Believe it or not, sharing housing does not cause any of those things. If it did, those issues would exist in every major city in the world.

They're part of it though, if wages and living conditions are poor people leave as has been demonstrated by every generation of Irish people.

Deebles McBeebles · 29-11-2018 10:42am

limnam wrote: »

While they were secure in the fact they would not lose their job

While they moaned and whined about the cuts as their employer was crippled in debt

While they moaned and whined about having to contribute to their _own_ pensions.

Now you want a round applause for getting up off your h*le?

Are you for real?

That's a fierce amount of moaning and whining about moaning and whining.

kona wrote: »

Keep dublin for the dubs. Problem solved.

Gave you your keys back years ago. Now can you come collect your Dubs and bring them home please. They lower the tone.

cgcsb · 29-11-2018 10:45am

Grayson wrote: »

The rental crises affects everyone. This thread has turned into a public Vs private match. Others turn into a employed Vs Unemployed. Yet others turn into a homeless Vs refugee argument. It's always turned into someone Vs Someone.

It doesn't matter. The root cause is still the same and a solution solves it for everyone.

Exactly, it's poor people and slightly poorer people fighting over scraps. This is one of the world's wealthiest states and it has built almost 0 housing in 15 years.

cgcsb · 29-11-2018 10:47am

mvl wrote: »

and who says mexicans or brazilians are not teachers/nurses or other degrees ?

I think some of these ppl complaining about their PS salaries need to go off travel in some of the third world countries (or even Eastern Europe), see what teachers/doctors and so on earn there, and what are their work conditions; maybe they would start appreciating what this country has: good pay for PS.

Poverty exists elsewhere in the world, therefore you should get what you're given.

cgcsb · 29-11-2018 10:48am

doc_17 wrote: »

Investment needs to be spread out around the country or this problem will not be fixed.

what? what investment?

cgcsb · 29-11-2018 10:53am

Allinall wrote: »

I’d be interested to know what specific policies the government have directed to enable REIT to purchase properties ahead of anyone else?

Also, evidence of policies that enable them to charge “whatever rent they want”

REITs were enabled by the state legislating for them. They are 'tax efficient' avenues for real estate investment. Basically quick and easy ways for Goldman Sachs to sent the rents. Meanwhile DCC is too inept to build social housing of any scale.

cgcsb · 29-11-2018 11:00am

Allinall wrote: »

So- no policies.

We have an open and competitive property market.

So called “outside vulture funds” are given no advantage over any other buyers.

Can you show any specific policies from government that contradicts that?

We have an 'open and competitive property market'. But no development shall exceed 4 floors, all developments must house underground parking, all units should be dual aspect with one aspect south or west facing, every unit requires it's own laundry facility and boiler. 40% of the cost of a new apartment shall be tax.

So no it's not 'open and competitive', only low rise luxury units with parking are allowed to be built. Nobody is allowed to build say 10 floors of one bed studios with communal roof garden and laundry room and no parking and rent each one for €500 a month. No, young single people have to house share in suburban family homes and families have to feck off to Kildare and commute.

This is part of the ploy to keep housing expensive.

topper75 · 29-11-2018 11:09am

kona wrote: »

Keep dublin for the dubs. Problem solved.

Got the needle in the arm stuff down. Just have to learn that other nursing stuff and ye can do a Dubxit and send all the culchie nurses back over the M50.

limnam · 29-11-2018 12:11pm

Ronin Salty Hotel wrote: »

I spent 25 years in the private sector.made redundant twice in 3 years. Paid into my own pension when I was on enough money to be able to pay into it, was expected to work 70 hour weeks and questioned when i went home on time....so what's your point??

Not sure what your point is and how it's related to mine...

29-11-2018 1:13pm

I think 25% is recognised as the standard amount a person should have to pay for accommodation. 25% of a persons gross salary, that is.

And that is not including utilities. If you factor in utilities, then the figure would be more like 33% - 35%.

Accommodation, transport and food costs combined should not be more than 60% of a person's salary. (CBS Money watch)

Assetbacked · 29-11-2018 1:24pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I think 25% is recognised as the standard amount a person should have to pay for accommodation. 25% of a persons gross salary, that is.

And that is not including utilities. If you factor in utilities, then the figure would be more like 33% - 35%.

Accommodation, transport and food costs combined should not be more than 60% of a person's salary. (CBS Money watch)

The problem with that is that this is probably for a different country with different levels of tax. It should be based on net salary.

AndrewJRenko · 29-11-2018 4:43pm

limnam wrote: »

Deise Vu wrote: »

For the life of me I can never understand why the newspaper headlines don't read "EVEN public servants can't afford housing in Dublin". Instead we get this narrative that our public servants are somehow hard done by.

Here is the pay scale for teachers taken on since 2011 which the lowest scale:

https://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scales-and-qualification-allowances/salary-scale-for-teachers-appointed-after-january-2011/

A starting salary of €36,318 plus €1,236 for a 1st or 2nd class HDip is €37,554. By year 2 the basic plus HDIP is already equal to the average pay across the economy of €39K. Factor in the holidays, snow days, storm days, holy days, 'personal' days and very generous sickness and maternity packages before you even consider pensions and suddenly things get a bit more perspective. And that is the lowest scale.

Another thing I don't understand is why Governments buy peace at any cost at the first sign of a public service dispute. Their reward for this craven approach is a guaranteed threat of a strike at the next available opportunity, there is never any peace dividend in it for the Govt. Considering Nurses and Teachers (and Guards and train drivers etc etc) will inevitably threaten a strike as soon as an election is called, is there no chance some Govt will try and win the votes of the 85% of us who aren't on the gravy train by telling them to GTFO.

When you work it out into an hourly wage for hours actually in the classroom it's a staggering amount of money for someone starting out in a new job.

If you think that a teacher's work stops when they leave the classroom, you have an awful lot to learn.

dotsman · 29-11-2018 8:24pm

klaaaz wrote: »

Really? The govt have starved the councils of money to fund housing. You've fallen into the classic FFG blame game. REIT's facilitated by the govt have bought up thousands of homes, that cannot be neglected. They have influenced rents greatly at the detriment of everyone. Profit for greed! You cannot blame SF who have minimal power and yet FFG control the govt, mindboggling!

Councils don't need to fund additional housing. They just need to plan their cities and allow suitable housing to be built.

P.S. The government brought in property tax to help fund the councils and guess what? Sinn Fein & Friends opposed (very, very strongly).

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes. Add the PRD (10.5%) on to PAYE, USC, PRSI and whatever else they pay and all public sector employees are taking home only 40% of everything they earn above €34, 550.

To be fair, I wouldn't consider pension contributions to be a "tax". It is an extremely lucrative bonus that the private sector could only dream of. If you want to consider that a tax, then many private sector workers often end up paying 70-80% tax!!!

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If you think that a teacher's work stops when they leave the classroom, you have an awful lot to learn.

But generally - it does. I have lots of close family and friends who are teachers. Yes, in the first few years, there can be a bit of overhead doing up lesson plans etc, but once you're on the job a few years, you're just tweaking it on an annual basis. Then there is correcting (non-state) exams etc, but that's just the odd occasion and quite small. Compare that to most professions, where there is often a huge amount of overtime expected as well as continuous learning & development etc in your own time.

amcalester · 29-11-2018 9:30pm

dotsman wrote: »

Councils don't need to fund additional housing. They just need to plan their cities and allow suitable housing to be built.

P.S. The government brought in property tax to help fund the councils and guess what? Sinn Fein & Friends opposed.

And then voted to reduce it by the maximum allowed.

Naos · 29-11-2018 9:39pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes. Add the PRD (10.5%) on to PAYE, USC, PRSI and whatever else they pay and all public sector employees are taking home only 40% of everything they earn above €34, 550.

So paying into a pension is a tax now?

And also all 304,472 of them earn over 34k? So what is their net take-home per month?

limnam · 29-11-2018 9:40pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If you think that a teacher's work stops when they leave the classroom, you have an awful lot to learn.

Hours in "work" then.

Still staggering.

ligerdub · 29-11-2018 9:52pm

Missed quite a few pages, rather than trawling through them I'll get to the point.

This thread is fundamentally flawed in the sense that it (accidentally or otherwise) raises the plight of one group over another. So it therefore turns into an us and them argument, which is totally missing the point (as Grayson IMO correctly states). The fact is that everyone is in the ****, everyone that is who happens to be looking for a place to rent or buy. For everyone else it's actually quite a good thing. If you own a house of your own you might feel a bit sorry for friends and relatives out there struggling, but the reality is when it comes to voting, they'll probably be thinking of the 30%-40% rise in the value of their house rather than how they've done very little to solve the problem and the predicament of the people they know who are struggling.

The govt probably won't be arsed in resolving this problem unless it becomes a threat to their position as the govt of Ireland. To solve the problem they'd have to shell out money, and by shelling out money they have less money to put into reducing the debt that their bosses in Brussels demand they do. Until then it'll be lip service and Eoghan Murphy going on tv telling everyone how sad it is that there are so many homeless but not really homeless people.

Should a permanent full-time public sector worker be able to afford a house near where they work? Of course. Should everyone else who has similar full-time employment have the same opportunity? Yes. Putting guards and teachers into some sort of bracket of higher social benefit than other workers is a load of rubbish though.

There are plenty of other examples of people facing issues in terms of their living arrangements.

- Single People: pretty obvious reason
- Self-Employed people: even a self-employed person with a history of good income will be treated with a degree of concern by banks making decisions on mortgages, and their reliance on having to rent is therefore more pronounced.

Compare this to a public sector worker. Banks absolutely love public sector workers. If you happened to be a couple, both working in public sector jobs, that goes down as a massive plus point when trying to get some sort of mortgage.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is where the majority of schools and garda stations in Dublin are. They aren't in the cities. Schoolteachers aren't going into the city centre (where the bulk of the rush hour tends to be) in as big a number as other type of workers. In terms of convenience there's less need for them to live centrally to Dublin.

Transport and housing are associated issues, and both of which are in the ****. Good transport links would make journeys of 10 miles + reasonably manageable as a commute, whereas now you could have a journey of about 5 miles which could take an hour or more. This govt seems to have no reasonable plan to tackle either issue, it's difficult to feel how this will improve, for public sector workers or anyone else!

raze_them_all_ · 29-11-2018 10:15pm

ligerdub wrote: »

Missed quite a few pages, rather than trawling through them I'll get to the point.

This thread is fundamentally flawed in the sense that it (accidentally or otherwise) raises the plight of one group over another. So it therefore turns into an us and them argument, which is totally missing the point (as Grayson IMO correctly states). The fact is that everyone is in the ****, everyone that is who happens to be looking for a place to rent or buy. For everyone else it's actually quite a good thing. If you own a house of your own you might feel a bit sorry for friends and relatives out there struggling, but the reality is when it comes to voting, they'll probably be thinking of the 30%-40% rise in the value of their house rather than how they've done very little to solve the problem and the predicament of the people they know who are struggling.

The govt probably won't be arsed in resolving this problem unless it becomes a threat to their position as the govt of Ireland. To solve the problem they'd have to shell out money, and by shelling out money they have less money to put into reducing the debt that their bosses in Brussels demand they do. Until then it'll be lip service and Eoghan Murphy going on tv telling everyone how sad it is that there are so many homeless but not really homeless people.

Should a permanent full-time public sector worker be able to afford a house near where they work? Of course. Should everyone else who has similar full-time employment have the same opportunity? Yes. Putting guards and teachers into some sort of bracket of higher social benefit than other workers is a load of rubbish though.

There are plenty of other examples of people facing issues in terms of their living arrangements.

- Single People: pretty obvious reason
- Self-Employed people: even a self-employed person with a history of good income will be treated with a degree of concern by banks making decisions on mortgages, and their reliance on having to rent is therefore more pronounced.

Compare this to a public sector worker. Banks absolutely love public sector workers. If you happened to be a couple, both working in public sector jobs, that goes down as a massive plus point when trying to get some sort of mortgage.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is where the majority of schools and garda stations in Dublin are. They aren't in the cities. Schoolteachers aren't going into the city centre (where the bulk of the rush hour tends to be) in as big a number as other type of workers. In terms of convenience there's less need for them to live centrally to Dublin.

Transport and housing are associated issues, and both of which are in the ****. Good transport links would make journeys of 10 miles + reasonably manageable as a commute, whereas now you could have a journey of about 5 miles which could take an hour or more. This govt seems to have no reasonable plan to tackle either issue, it's difficult to feel how this will improve, for public sector workers or anyone else!

pleanty of other ps jobs in the city, hospitals, plenty of garda stations, fire houses etc

doc_17 · 29-11-2018 10:16pm

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cgcsb wrote: »

what? what investment?

Infrastructure funding and IDA investment.

30-11-2018 12:47am

limnam wrote: »

While they were secure in the fact they would not lose their job

Except public sector works do get made redundant, I was and I know plenty more who were also and not even in the recession in many cases. You are just shoveling nonsense in every single post.

limnam wrote: »

Hours in "work" then.

Still staggering.

What an idiotic comment, what does it even mean. You don’t consider a teacher is working unless they are in a class room or in the school building.

Good job you aren’t in charge anywhere (private or public sector) or working from home would be considered a day off :rolleyes:

KevinCavan · 30-11-2018 1:28am

Just saw there the average Facebook worker in Dublin gets €150,000 per year, included share schemes and bonuses. Their basic pay is 99,000, so that’ll give you an idea of the competition that’s out their for rental properties.

mvl · 30-11-2018 1:42am

KevinCavan wrote: »

Just saw there the average Facebook worker in Dublin gets €150,000 per year, included share schemes and bonuses. Their basic pay is 99,000, so that’ll give you an idea of the competition that’s out their for rental properties.

Before envying them, you'd need to include what is their average working hours/week. I'd assume its the american style, not the PS style.
I don't envy any of that FB/google... elite: they are selling their lives for the money they are getting (=working extremely long hours).
- I would rather envy an HSE worker that gets higher salary than me, with half the hours worked weekly, and possibly similar responsibility. But I guess that would not be the average PS wages we're talking about on this thread.

dreamers75 · 30-11-2018 1:45am

To the OP work for Dublin City Council, you will get to no 1 on the housing list in a matter of weeks.

And you get one of those subsidized apartments for basically free.

n97 mini · 30-11-2018 1:53am

mvl wrote: »

Before envying them, you'd need to include what is their average working hours/week. I'd assume its the american style, not the PS style.
I don't envy any of that FB/google... elite: they are selling their lives for the money they are getting (=working extremely long hours).
- I would rather envy an HSE worker that gets higher salary than me, with half the hours worked weekly, and possibly similar responsibility. But I guess that would not be the average PS wages we're talking about on this thread.

+1

Similarly I've a friend in "FB/google" on 150k a year, contracted to do 40 hours a week but does about 80 hours. Basically he's working almost every hour he's awake. Conversely I've a friend who is a college lecturer on 90k, is contracted to do 18 hours a week 35 weeks of the year. He probably averages about 22 hours when busy term time and not busy summer holidays are taken into account.

One has a good job, the other has a great job.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 30-11-2018 1:54am

KevinCavan wrote: »

Just saw there the average Facebook worker in Dublin gets €150,000 per year, included share schemes and bonuses. Their basic pay is 99,000, so that’ll give you an idea of the competition that’s out their for rental properties.

My friend is high up in FB in Dublin and her salary is €100,000. I seriously doubt that basic pay there is €99,000. And my friend basically has no life.

ligerdub · 30-11-2018 2:08am

KevinCavan wrote:

Just saw there the average Facebook worker in Dublin gets â‚¬150,000 per year, included share schemes and bonuses. Their basic pay is 99,000, so thatâ€™ll give you an idea of the competition thatâ€™s out their for rental properties.

This isn't representative of most companies whatsoever.

doc_17 · 30-11-2018 8:20am

These some serious claims being made here about everyone else’s pay and conditions! PS workers and private sector workers aren’t the problem, Dublin is the problem. It’s a a dump. And yet everything that’s happening in Ireland has to happen there.

30-11-2018 8:24am

dreamers75 wrote: »

To the OP work for Dublin City Council, you will get to no 1 on the housing list in a matter of weeks.

And you get one of those subsidized apartments for basically free.

lol this is the straight-up wrongest thing posted in some time

Ush1 · 30-11-2018 9:47am

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

My friend is high up in FB in Dublin and her salary is €100,000. I seriously doubt that basic pay there is €99,000. And my friend basically has no life.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/facebook-ireland-staff-coin-it-as-average-pay-reaches-154-000-1.3714642

skooterblue2 · 30-11-2018 10:25am

limnam wrote: »

Getting paid by the tax payer then off in Spain pulling in a second tax free salary before they come back here whining about having to correct a few papers that they pull another salary from!

License to print money.

You forgot the cash in hand grinds. Can I get €40-60 an hour please?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 30-11-2018 11:11am

Ush1 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/facebook-ireland-staff-coin-it-as-average-pay-reaches-154-000-1.3714642

I’d be interested to see how much the top salaries in the company are skewing that. Probably by quite a lot.

Riskymove · 30-11-2018 11:13am

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’d be interested to see how much the top salaries in the company are skewing that. Probably by quite a lot.

actual quote form article

The financial statements show that the 1,008 staff directly employed last year by Facebook Ireland each received an average salary of €95,766

each received an average salary.........I despair sometimes

granturismo · 30-11-2018 11:24am

doc_17 wrote: »

These some serious claims being made here about everyone else’s pay and conditions! PS workers and private sector workers aren’t the problem, Dublin is the problem. It’s a a dump. And yet everything that’s happening in Ireland has to happen there.

Plus this thread has been initiated with an article in the Independent which most of the PS/CS bashing references.

granturismo · 30-11-2018 11:29am

skooterblue2 wrote: »

You forgot the cash in hand grinds. Can I get €40-60 an hour please?

I'm paying €30 an hour for grinds with qualified teachers in N Kildare. If someone wants to pay me €40 for an hour I'll take it.

I think approx 80% of Leaving Cert students get grinds - there's the demand.

I've paid 3 contractors cash in hand to get reductions on €150, €200 and €1800 jobs. Nixers are not confined to the PS.

Public servants' inability to afford to pay rent in Dublin.

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