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23-05-2021, 21:43   #16
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My dad used to buy animals from a wee man that lived in a wee house with a tin roof, no inside toilet,old open fire, he drove an old Peugeot pick up and had the same coat for the 20 or so years I knew him, bar the odd nights drinking every few years he didn't socialise, bought and sold livestock, he'd had TB when young and spent a long time in a sanatorium ,anyway he died and nobody expected there'd be much , left hundreds of thousands to a his niece who lived in Scotland
We had an elderly neighbour like that. She lived on her own all her life, in a little cottage, no water supply. We had only moved in next door when she started coming with her two buckets to our house every day to get water, as she had done with the people who lived there before us. Harmless old lady, always same clothes, no car, no tv...no modcons of any kind. When she died she left 3 farms behind her that she had inherited from family down the years. To this day I am not sure if she was just very frugal or if she honestly didnt know how much she had!
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Why would you leave 1.9 million ? Just sitting there ?

If I’d that sort of cash now, I didn’t have plans to spend that much I’d be putting it to good use now... enjoying life, enjoying helping others..
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There's being thrifty because you haven't two cents to rub together (I grew up in 80s Ireland and can remember my mam making toys out of cardboard boxes!) and then there's just idiocy.

Going through your whole life being too afraid to spend your money and having a mountain of it left when you die is just a waste of a working life. What was the point?
Firstly, anyone with access to BBC and Blue Peter made toys out of cardboard boxes in the 80's. Or RTE and Bosco. Ann and Frank were masters of the glue stick, toilet roll and blunt nosed scissors, along with every child and their mother in Ireland. The 80's was a tight decade for a great many, but to equate it to the experiences of those experiencing life a child with parents who had been through 'The Emergency' is just pointless. They were not at all the same thing and only ignorance would lead one to think otherwise.

Secondly, for many a man of his generation and even our own, going to work is how one feels valued and to have a place and a purpose. It's bloody ridiculous to think that a pensioner who's worked and paid for his travel pass through decades of public service should be ridiculed by the OP because he takes the bus down the road to the old works canteen to have a bite to eat and doubtless a chat with some folks he'd worked with for years. Sure what else is an old bachelor to be doing? Porsche 911? A fortnight in Ibiza? A week in Vegas blowing his savings on the tables, coke and hookers?

As a man working for the ESB through the 70's and 80's, that man would have spent a time paying more than 60 pence in tax for every punt he earned. He would have seen the lunacy of tradesmen (likely as one himself) buying family homes, then holiday homes, then investment apartments. And what good did it do for most of them? He would have seen society change, his surrounds in Dublin change many times, his workplace become full of university educated middle and junior managers, while his apprenticeship, experience and increasing years would have had many of same look down their noses on him.

There's nothing to say that fella didn't enjoy his lunch, his chats, his work, his friendships, a few pints, sitting by the canal docks watching the swans or feeding ducks, a fresh cod and chips and a read of the newspaper enough to be happy living the life he lived. The absolute rubbish people come up with, thinking they're superior in some way because they spend what they have or more than it, thinking there's something wrong with the other fella.

There no talking to some eejits though.
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23-05-2021, 22:00   #19
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Some people just don't enjoy spending money. I don't. I'm not saving up for anything, I just don't like wasting money. In fact, it annoys me to buy something I don't need.

I was in Dublin last week to go to my workplace, when I realised I forgot to bring a charger. I was quoted something like €20 in the phone shop, no way. I'd rather have no phone for the day, which I didn't have. Similarly, I'd rather buy clothes in a second hand shop than new, where possible. I mend my own jumpers. It's not that spending is unaffordable, it's nothing to do with expecting a downturn, it's just irritating to waste money.

You didn't pick your money up off the ground, you got up early to go to work and probably did a good job to earn it. I'm not sure if any of the above is "stingy", I think it's more to do with having respect for money (without being obsessed by it).
I'd have a similar philosophy. I don't really enjoy spending money.

I've read that there is a dopamine rush experience that a lot of people get from shopping. I don't get this. I don't equate not spending money with being mean. Not spending money so that someone else has to cover the cost - that's mean/stingy.
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He lived his life away he wanted to live it. He didn't like to spend money, so what? I would say that spending money made him unhappy. He was happy not to spend it. Who is to say that what he did was foolish? He was entitled to do as he wanted with his own money.
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i'd say for some people its a form of control.. shame though.. but best make a will - so the government don't get it.. now that would be a real shame..
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Firstly, anyone with access to BBC and Blue Peter made toys out of cardboard boxes in the 80's. Or RTE and Bosco. Ann and Frank were masters of the glue stick, toilet roll and blunt nosed scissors, along with every child and their mother in Ireland. The 80's was a tight decade for a great many, but to equate it to the experiences of those experiencing life a child with parents who had been through 'The Emergency' is just pointless. They were not at all the same thing and only ignorance would lead one to think otherwise.

Secondly, for many a man of his generation and even our own, going to work is how one feels valued and to have a place and a purpose. It's bloody ridiculous to think that a pensioner who's worked and paid for his travel pass through decades of public service should be ridiculed by the OP because he takes the bus down the road to the old works canteen to have a bite to eat and doubtless a chat with some folks he'd worked with for years. Sure what else is an old bachelor to be doing? Porsche 911? A fortnight in Ibiza? A week in Vegas blowing his savings on the tables, coke and hookers?

As a man working for the ESB through the 70's and 80's, that man would have spent a time paying more than 60 pence in tax for every punt he earned. He would have seen the lunacy of tradesmen (likely as one himself) buying family homes, then holiday homes, then investment apartments. And what good did it do for most of them? He would have seen society change, his surrounds in Dublin change many times, his workplace become full of university educated middle and junior managers, while his apprenticeship, experience and increasing years would have had many of same look down their noses on him.

There's nothing to say that fella didn't enjoy his lunch, his chats, his work, his friendships, a few pints, sitting by the canal docks watching the swans or feeding ducks, a fresh cod and chips and a read of the newspaper enough to be happy living the life he lived. The absolute rubbish people come up with, thinking they're superior in some way because they spend what they have or more than it, thinking there's something wrong with the other fella.

There no talking to some eejits though.


Yes, why wouldnt he?
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Sorry but I'm all for people being sensible with money and like another poster said maybe he enjoyed seeing ex workfriends, sitting on the canal feeding the birds etc etc. What I don't understand is him not paying for his waste, annoying other people for lawnmowers which only cost afew hundred euro and only knows what else. He left 1.9 million behind him.

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i'd say for some people its a form of control.. shame though.. but best make a will - so the government don't get it.. now that would be a real shame..


The government wouldn't get it even if you didn't make a will.

That has only ever happened once in Ireland as far as I am aware. an adopted man who had absolutely no family left when he died.
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Leaving his money to his niece, the tax kicks in after around 35k, revenue will be getting a substantial amount of it
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I remember a group of fella's who thought they were taking a hand at an auld lad at our workplace who was known for being very careful with his money and saving every penny, no smoking / drinking etc. His Son was known for being the opposite.

The group said "Paddy, what do you think of the fact that when you're gone, your Sean is going to straight away blow that small fortune of money you spent your life hoarding up ?"

"Well" . . says Paddy . ."if he enjoys spending it even only half as much as I enjoyed saving it all . . then fair play to the youngfella"
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if you are poor when young and always hungry you are afraid the bad times will come back
But there comes a time, Age, Wealth etc that you know you have enough ?
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The government wouldn't get it even if you didn't make a will.

That has only ever happened once in Ireland as far as I am aware. an adopted man who had absolutely no family left when he died.
no my understanding is that if your haven't made a will - then rev get a big %.. am I wrong?
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Yes, why wouldnt he?
I'd rather a spicebox than a nose full of coke, a few pints in Dublin than a fortnight in Ibiza and if I was only going down the road for my lunch, a bus pass would be a lot more practical and therefore enjoyable to use for my purposes than a 911. The money would have nothing to do with the decisions I'd make.

People are gas. They can't get their heads around a man not pissing away his money, just, because. Do you think he wasn't happy? If having a big balance in the bank made him happy, would that be okay with ye? Or would he have had to spend it on stuff you want him to spend it on for it to be okay with you?
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no my understanding is that if your haven't made a will - then rev get a big %.. am I wrong?
Yes, you're completely wrong.
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